SHOULD CANNABIS BE LEGALIZED?
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NO=DogBoy, KharmaGirl, okwildfire, rule35sub1,
Who is going to sue who? How could new laws be worse then the ones in place today that bust over 800.000 a year in the USA alone? If the worse problem is that it might make the whole world grow? And if you think legal weed will be grown in houses you got fuzzy thinking dude. It is way cheaper to be grown outdoors or a greenhouse, does anyone grow wine grapes indoors? Why not? If your reasons for saying no were as well thought out as how you think they would grow legal weed then what can I say?
-SamS
DogBoy said:
Who is going to sue who? How could new laws be worse then the ones in place today that bust over 800.000 a year in the USA alone? If the worse problem is that it might make the whole world grow? And if you think legal weed will be grown in houses you got fuzzy thinking dude. It is way cheaper to be grown outdoors or a greenhouse, does anyone grow wine grapes indoors? Why not? If your reasons for saying no were as well thought out as how you think they would grow legal weed then what can I say?
-SamS
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i was under the impression that in alaska, possesion and cultivation under certain limits is legal ? am i mis-informed ?
no, i wasnt mistaken ...according the NORMLs website possession (in your residence) of 1 0z or less, and growing less than 25 plants, is legal in alaska.
almost defying logic, life goes on in alaska .
almost defying logic, life goes on in alaska .
VanillaGueriila
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I am shocked to find ANY anti legalization voices on this board.
NightFire
Member
People that are against legalization are more concerned about their bank account than what's right.
Think about it, the only people that legalization will hurt are those people that are growing for money. So long as pot stays illegal, it costs more, they are competitive and they make money. Once it's legalized, the tobacco companies will start selling it. If you don't have acres of land to cultivate, you have just been shut out of growing for money.
Think about it, the only people that legalization will hurt are those people that are growing for money. So long as pot stays illegal, it costs more, they are competitive and they make money. Once it's legalized, the tobacco companies will start selling it. If you don't have acres of land to cultivate, you have just been shut out of growing for money.
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DogBoy
Sam_Skunkman said:NO=DogBoy, KharmaGirl, okwildfire, rule35sub1,
Nicely singled out. Glad to be part of the minority!
Who is going to sue who? How could new laws be worse then the ones in place today that bust over 800.000 a year in the USA alone? If the worse problem is that it might make the whole world grow? And if you think legal weed will be grown in houses you got fuzzy thinking dude. It is way cheaper to be grown outdoors or a greenhouse, does anyone grow wine grapes indoors? Why not? If your reasons for saying no were as well thought out as how you think they would grow legal weed then what can I say?
-SamS
1) How could new laws be worse than the current ones.
The people who would make the laws are the same ones who feed us the propaganda we have suffered since the 30's and the same ones who persecute 800,000 Americans a year. You really telling me you trust these people to overnight change their opinion and come out with a just and well thought out law, i hope your not expecting a courtesy wipe! You have a lot of faith in our current 'enemy' if you do.
2) If the worse problem is that it might make the whole world grow?
I'm not worried about too many people growing but with something so profitable it's quite possible that people will scoop up local housing to use as grow centres, like they do already. I appreciate much weed will be grown outside but indoor weed is much more controllable and quicker, it's also a year round crop unlike outdoor, so will always be a big part of bulk cropping for the lower end of the grower market. housing in my area is already running short, this could, and i stress could, add extra pressure though this is only a minor concern. Dont forget that as soon as this is legalised it wont be just the weed that's profitable, stems will be required for fabrics, oils for the health industry etc. Demand will go through the roof for this most useful of plants.
3) It is way cheaper to be grown outdoors or a greenhouse, does anyone grow wine grapes indoors? Why not?
It's also not a year round crop so indoor will be required to cover demand during the out of season periods. If grapes were as valuable as herb then yes, i would surely be growing it indoors. Show me a grape that can fetch £200GBP an Ounce and costs only £12 an Ounce to grow indoors. You cant guarantee enough supply unless you have the ability to make herb all year round. This requires using indoor grows.
Just because i dont think it would be a good idea dont think for a moment that i am in any way anti herb or anti legalisation. I welcome freedom on this most useful of herbs, my grievance is simply that i dont want a government to tell me what the new rules are. It's either legal or it's not.
Allow me to put a question to you.
Herb is a very useful plant. It's primary use is as a foodstuff. All other uses are secondary and have been applied to the plant after it was used as food. Now, my point, food in the UK and many other countries is tax free. We are all keen to 'sell' the legalisation issue on the grounds that the government would be able to tax it and we would accept that. My question is why should we. As a foodstuff it should be free from tax. Instead of approaching legalisation from the point of view of profitability you could also approach it as a replacement food and fuel crop which would address two of the main issues facing the world at the moment. Imagine a world where herb was legal and used by millions as food and fuel in one handy package. Now imagine the profitability of that use. You think the government and big business will allow the little man to control that?
I hope i have made you guys think? That's all i ask. I'm not saying my opinion is the best nor am i saying it's the only solution. It's simply my .02.
joaquin386
Active member
Sam_Skunkman said:
I hope though that it is not regulated like tabaco where you can buy it but it is ILLEGAL to grow it.
Yes, 110% for, 'till it happens, or I die.
Noone needs to control supplies anywhere. Impossible, as it's too easy to grow. The answer is to provide your own supplies - ie. GROW IT, under a legal permit if necessary in the the case of legalization.
As if ppl (gangs, bikers etc) don't fight, kill, and/or intimidate ppl to control illegal drug supplies status quo. And as if ppl don't pay inflated prices either...
There are real problems attached to cannabis that must be eliminated, & all the problems are attached to the money - not the plant. The solution? Remove the money from the equation...ie) Legalize personal cultivation.
And The sooner the better. You can grow your own tomatoes, why not your own pot? Once you have, you'll know it ain't worth any more than any other garden grown produce. (Status quo "risk factor" aside)
Just gimme my little piece of paper, for a reasonable fee if necessary. It's all I ask...
Peace
Noone needs to control supplies anywhere. Impossible, as it's too easy to grow. The answer is to provide your own supplies - ie. GROW IT, under a legal permit if necessary in the the case of legalization.
As if ppl (gangs, bikers etc) don't fight, kill, and/or intimidate ppl to control illegal drug supplies status quo. And as if ppl don't pay inflated prices either...
There are real problems attached to cannabis that must be eliminated, & all the problems are attached to the money - not the plant. The solution? Remove the money from the equation...ie) Legalize personal cultivation.
And The sooner the better. You can grow your own tomatoes, why not your own pot? Once you have, you'll know it ain't worth any more than any other garden grown produce. (Status quo "risk factor" aside)
Just gimme my little piece of paper, for a reasonable fee if necessary. It's all I ask...
Peace
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Unless the new laws end up putting 800,000+ per year, in the USA, in jail they are better. If you were one of the 800,000 I think you would agree.
You live in a dream world, Cannabis is grown indoors under lights to avoid the police, not because "You cant guarantee enough supply unless you have the ability to make herb all year round." It could be grown in greenhouses with no lights, it could be grown outdoors in a climate that allows it to be done well. I guess I am saying that they don't try and grow grapes and make wine in Finland, but last I heard there is no wine shortage in Finland. To grow indoors under light will disappear as soon as Cannabis is legal to grow, except for a few hobby growers. Greenhouses and outdoors is the way to produce the finest Cannabis the cheapest. By a factor of 3 or 4 or more.
Cannabis as a foodstuff is not even the 10th most common use. And you can say it was as a foodstuff first, maybe it was, but no one can say for sure, maybe it was for rope or dope. But you point is pointless as sinsi has no food value, it is the seeds that are eaten, and seeds for fuel is just plain dumb when other oils at a fraction of the price could be used instead.
Do I think the government will tax legal Cannabis like they do with alcohol or cigarettes? Sure why not? I want them to, they are greedy bastards and they want the tax money they can get from a legal taxed Cannabis crop. If for food let it be tax free, but that will be a million dollars Vs Billions for Herb.
It is your 2 cents but I still can't believe that there are people on this forum that really think it is better to have so many people thrown in jail every year, I mean I knew some growers wanted herb to be illegal so they can continue to make easy $ and keep the herb prices high, but I am not one of them, and I have zero respect for anyone that is so selfish to feel that way.
joaquin386,
Can't say about where you are but in the USA it is legal to grow tobacco, I have grown dozens of varieties.
-SamS
You live in a dream world, Cannabis is grown indoors under lights to avoid the police, not because "You cant guarantee enough supply unless you have the ability to make herb all year round." It could be grown in greenhouses with no lights, it could be grown outdoors in a climate that allows it to be done well. I guess I am saying that they don't try and grow grapes and make wine in Finland, but last I heard there is no wine shortage in Finland. To grow indoors under light will disappear as soon as Cannabis is legal to grow, except for a few hobby growers. Greenhouses and outdoors is the way to produce the finest Cannabis the cheapest. By a factor of 3 or 4 or more.
Cannabis as a foodstuff is not even the 10th most common use. And you can say it was as a foodstuff first, maybe it was, but no one can say for sure, maybe it was for rope or dope. But you point is pointless as sinsi has no food value, it is the seeds that are eaten, and seeds for fuel is just plain dumb when other oils at a fraction of the price could be used instead.
Do I think the government will tax legal Cannabis like they do with alcohol or cigarettes? Sure why not? I want them to, they are greedy bastards and they want the tax money they can get from a legal taxed Cannabis crop. If for food let it be tax free, but that will be a million dollars Vs Billions for Herb.
It is your 2 cents but I still can't believe that there are people on this forum that really think it is better to have so many people thrown in jail every year, I mean I knew some growers wanted herb to be illegal so they can continue to make easy $ and keep the herb prices high, but I am not one of them, and I have zero respect for anyone that is so selfish to feel that way.
joaquin386,
Can't say about where you are but in the USA it is legal to grow tobacco, I have grown dozens of varieties.
-SamS
Yeah....as Sam says.....would be much better for most all of us if cannabis was legal.....no need for the paranoia of potential conviction any more.....that would be a HUGE relief for nearly all cannabis users on the planet....
......and we could all grow in our own gardens where-ever we might be.....under real sunlight instead of paying for fossil fueled (or nuclear) electricity to grow it in secret.....
And even if we have to pay some tax to use it or sell it in the market.......don't matter really...
......and we could all grow in our own gardens where-ever we might be.....under real sunlight instead of paying for fossil fueled (or nuclear) electricity to grow it in secret.....
And even if we have to pay some tax to use it or sell it in the market.......don't matter really...
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guest
I'm soooo relieved to see you say that.
thank you
thank you
Gypsy Nirvana said:
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DogBoy
Thank you for your kind indulgence, forgive my oversight, i am but a peon.
Sativa Soul
Member
Allthough I'm sure it'll eventually turn out to be a big deal and it bring lots of change I'm pro legalisation.
Cannabis changes mentality and does so in a very hostile way for governments and cultural institutions. This the reason I think it still might take a while before it happens.
These people will be hurt by legislation
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HashishinReidi
Active member
Yes and to those who voted no,You need your heads testing .
I guess the ones, who voted no have been inside for weed ? .some how i guess not ,as if they had they would not of voted no.This war on us is just as my sig says.
I guess the ones, who voted no have been inside for weed ? .some how i guess not ,as if they had they would not of voted no.This war on us is just as my sig says.
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joaquin386
Active member
Sam_Skunkman said:
It is Spain. You have to ask for a permit to do it "legally" (maybe it is for commercial use)
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Scorpion
Legalize It !
