***DrBud Takes CFL SOG to the Next Level***

[guest3589]

Zeus I think I should mention that you are doing no one any service by posting this. Besides sharing your disapproval of the Doc and also swearing at him what are you contributing? Nothing but insults to the people who participate in this thread with the wild implication that these people are noobs. How arrogant are you to make such sweeping statements? How about before you issue your 'wisdom' you actually do a test run and report some real imperical data? Truth is, that would be of value a lot more than your utterance of doubt.

Just because you don't believe that a perpetual CFL SOG grow can give huge results doesn't really have any significance to those who actually do get great yields.

I'm insulted by your implications and you offer no data to support your claims that this method can not work.

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

whatever!!!!!DrBud.....I will apololgize for "swearing" in ur thread, but do not make empty threats to me or anyone on these boards...And to the rest of you, dont get all down on me or anyone else cause we called u noobs...you are noobs to IC, and your friend DrBud needs to have a little more respect for the people who have earned their respect here...Dont worry, I wont be visiting this thread anymore Dr...fuckin consequences!!!!WTF, who do u think you are??????????????Dont threaten people, its very uncool....

Also, to all you haters out there...Im not discrediting any type of growin style, I just know, from experience, that those types of yields from CFL's are practically unheard of...Anyhow, all this BS woulda never even started if the good "Dr" hadnt offended and threatened LouGrew in his own thread nonetheless!!!Whatever...screw you guys, Im goin home!!!

Peace
- Z

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

WHY CFLs WORK SO WELL:

Simple Science.

Canopy penetration is irrelevant, if the light penetrating the canopy is not of the ideal wavelengths.

Plants use wavelengths between 410 nm and 455 nm the most effectively.
Plants use the wavelengths between 620 nm and 670 nm the second most effectively.

Wavelengths between 500 nm and 600 nm are fairly useless to chlorophyll molecules.













The majority of light from a MH bulb Is between 500 and 600 nm and therefore much less efficient than if the majority of energy was producing usable light.

















The majority of the light from a HPS is between 560 and 620 nm... also alot of wasted energy and useless penetration.

















However, The majority of light from an 'off the shelf' warm white CFL bulb is emitted at about 420 nm, 435 nm, and 540 to 680 nm... Perfectly in range of the wavelengths usable by chlorophyll (410 - 455 AND 620 - 670).






Absolutely logical... and once it is broken down like that... Elementary, dear watson...

 

[herb weedmen]

wow ,turned this thread in to the jerry springer show..to bad..i think theres room for everyone on this forum and everyone needs to stop throwing insults around like we are a bunch of morrons..i am 45 yrs old and if my kids acted like this i'd be ashamed of them..i would hope that this thread and lous threads wouldnt be a reason to bash each others styles or methods ..if i come on here and start making unbeleavable claims ,its not up to you to show i am full of shit its up to me to prove i am telling the trueth..but if i read someones thread and i dont beleave them .i shouldnt start ripping on them in their thread..i should just pack my bowl and move on to another topic or thread..lets all think this over a minute too..if we as humans didnt dream of the impossible ,we would still be walking around with clubs in our hands and dragging our ol ladys by the hair to our caves..

now if everybody will just show some kooth,and back on out of each others face .i think this will fall to the weay side and no harm other then some ego's got bruised...

kinda like what mom always said "if ya aint got something nice to say ,say nothing"..



love and peace my friends ..thats what its all about..pot is much more enjoyable in a calm state of mind and body and not tention like this..


i hope we can all just mellow out ..being friends is much safer then waring all the time..



peace please..


herb weedmen

 

[Maj.PotHead]

WHY CFLs WORK SO WELL:

Simple Science.

Canopy penetration is irrelevant, if the light penetrating the canopy is not of the ideal wavelengths.

Plants use wavelengths between 410 nm and 455 nm the most effectively.
Plants use the wavelengths between 620 nm and 670 nm the second most effectively.

Wavelengths between 500 nm and 600 nm are fairly useless to chlorophyll molecules.













The majority of light from a MH bulb Is between 500 and 600 nm and therefore much less efficient than if the majority of energy was producing usable light.

















The majority of the light from a HPS is between 560 and 620 nm... also alot of wasted energy and useless penetration.

















However, The majority of light from an 'off the shelf' warm white CFL bulb is emitted at about 420 nm, 435 nm, and 540 to 680 nm... Perfectly in range of the wavelengths usable by chlorophyll (410 - 455 AND 620 - 670).






Absolutely logical... and once it is broken down like that... Elementary, dear watson...

right on brotha your respected and are the owner of a seed company so your gonna back duder and his claim of 2-4 GPW dry usen cfls to flower with no veg time. and by this claim this would mean that CFL's outproduce HID any day of the wk ??? in soil not even hydro, coco or soiless but soil. i never said cfls wernt good for flowering all i said was BS on 2-4 GPW dry flowering with cfl's and no veg time and if thats the case then i guess i apologize to the Dr because he grows more and out performs every1 else on these forms just about. usen his cfl setup over our HID setups i know n realize cfls have the proper color wavelangth for plants thats why they have the larger 85w- 200 large cfls in the hydro shops. the larger cfls 85w+ in the hydro shops do have the penertrating power that the smaller 42w cfls lack. i can say lack because i have used cfls only for veg last 5 yrs i can say for fact that when my clones reach 1 ft the lowers are dark even with the 6 light fixtures i use spread out like i have them. i alternate 45w warm and 25w daylight in each fixture all across the tops of my plants. i'm not here to argue with such a respected member as your self i'm just here to disprove this claim of 2-4 GPW dry usen cfls in soil and no veg time. because if that was so easy to attain 2-4 GPW dry under cfls no1 would use HID anymore, i remember and sure you do also when in the 70's ppl used 4ft-8ft shop lights even broke out the halogens and such to grow then in the 80's HID became available and ppl jumped to there. since cfls have been out some ppl tried them to see but found they dont produce what there HID's do. then the T5 rage again very very nice lighting but lacks the penertration power of HID not to mention the price for T5. and now the latest rage is LED and ppl are finding out LED has few yrs to go before it could possibly replace HID. LED makes some wicked side lighting for the lowers of the plants from what i've read. but again LED's are just a rage now and HID's will continue to hold thier place in the growing comunity. as i stated i'm not here to argue with you Head because your a very respected member here. i'm just here to disprove this claim of 2-4 GPW dry under cfls in 20 oz of soil and no veg time. i'm not sayn the DR hasnt helped ppl out on small budget grows but his claim of being abel to yield 2-4 GPW dry usen cfls with non veg time is just outragous. dont worry Dr i wont be back in this thread again or section of the forums.

ya know this 2-4 GPW dry under cfls with no veg in soil claim kinda reminds me of the the anti drug comercial where duder says MJ is bad for you ya shouldnt do it another person asks why. 1st person says because i said so thats why

 

[Jebus11]

Sings "Why can't we be friends!"

Come on now! lets stop fightin and keep the peace!

 

[ZeusOGrefugee]

right on Major...This thread should just close down...over, done with, squashed!!!Peace

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

I'm not calling anyone a liar, unless I can prove it. I'm not making any comments at all regarding beleif. I am providing information proving that lumen for lumen CFLs do indeed far outperform HID's, and showing why.

Why do you think it is your place to 'police the veracity' of people's claims?
If people try his methods, and they bear out to be bullshit, then let those people call bullshit...

I've done alot of CFL growing, and have always been a proponent of their superior efficiency... As far as specific claims of a given method's capability to produce, well let's let all the 'noobs' trying this out prove/disprove it... That would be of far more use to the community than people expecting their opinions be believed just because they posted them.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

right on Major...This thread should just close down...over, done with, squashed!!!Peace

What a waste of a post...
Not even interested in getting along, or real discussion...

Why not let the thread run it's course, so everyone can see who ends up humiliated/vindicated? Let people try what they want to try, and post up their results.

You guys have made your opinions known, now everyone can decide their course with that information... no need to (lol) 'squash' anything, imho...

 

[B.C.]

Right on Doc!

Right on Doc!

I think this thread is very inspiring, esp for the brand new growers. He's shown that you can get very good results with very simple methods. You fellers don't lose sight of what were tryin ta do here. We want everyone growin! One love remember! Take care... BC

 

[herb weedmen]

"one love" right on ...

 

[wishbone420]

i think cfls can produce 1gpw and up. the gpw goes up the more plants u add as well as lights. he has a good strain high plant numbers. right on dude.

 

[dontstepongrass]

right on head!

 

[Mrs.Greengenes]

I know for a fact that Dr. Bud has no other intention here than to share his current method with others so they can grow lots of good pot for themselves like we do. I have seen him grow many different ways (HIDs) over the years and was surprised myself by the results of the compact lights. Everyone has the right to doubt an idea.... but why call B.S. on someone? There is really no need to be that way, I truely encourage anyone who has been reading this thread or any other information from Dr. Bud to give this method a shot if you are considering a change. My favorite part about it is the low profile of Home Depot only supplies. Going to the grow stores before always made me nervous. And since I don't see any less pot coming out of an even smaller space.... as a bitchy wife and all... I am not complaining.

 

[ScrogHog]

I love you mary jane.

 

[OldPathBluSky]

I've been experimenting with his SOG methods. Here's an Aurora Indica clone in a 16 oz. water bottle that was initiated into 12/12 under a 150w HPS at 3", my goal is to obtain at least a half o. Hopefully, if I have results similar to yours, this method will be a great tool for my personl production. Thanks for all the info.



OldPath

 

[petemoss]

....Dont worry, I wont be visiting this thread anymore Dr...fuckin consequences!!!!WTF, who do u think you are??????????????Dont threaten people, its very uncool....

...Whatever...screw you guys, Im goin home!!!

Peace
- Z

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!

 

[Maj.PotHead]

I know for a fact that Dr. Bud has no other intention here than to share his current method with others so they can grow lots of good pot for themselves like we do. I have seen him grow many different ways (HIDs) over the years and was surprised myself by the results of the compact lights. Everyone has the right to doubt an idea.... but why call B.S. on someone? There is really no need to be that way, I truely encourage anyone who has been reading this thread or any other information from Dr. Bud to give this method a shot if you are considering a change. My favorite part about it is the low profile of Home Depot only supplies. Going to the grow stores before always made me nervous. And since I don't see any less pot coming out of an even smaller space.... as a bitchy wife and all... I am not complaining.

trust me by yrs end i'll have a cab setup just like the DR's everything from lights to position of them i have a few strains that yield nice. but i'll run Sugar Shack i dont like flirting with the feds and the numbers your hubby runs is just askn for 5 yrs federal mandatory minum if cought. the feds look at all busts but mostly choose the over 100 plant counts to go after and prosocute. not to mention the forumula your hubby gave me on other pg is for hydro, now if what he says is true. get over 2 lbs in 4inch rockwhool with a 430w sunagro hps then every1 wouldnt need 600w or even the dreaded 1k. they would just line the room with 430w lights. trust me i'll give this cfl grow 150% not my normal 110% with hid lighting, we'll see.

now 1 thing i noticed the Dr never says what ferts he uses and at what dossages ????

heres mine
soil is fox farm ocean forrest nothing added.
heres my fert line
liquid karma 10 mil per gal water for clones and seedlings 1st wk or 2. 20ml for med and larger
diamond necture same as above
sweet same as above
pure blend pro grow same as above
during veg
1st 2 wks of flower i attain the PBP grow at full dose 1st wk 1/2 dose 2nd wk then cut it out end of 2nd wk. at onset of flower i add
PBP bloom 20ml
indoneasion bat guano 1tsp per gal soil top dressing and watered in gently. i alternate my fert feedings 1 plain water 1 ferted i PH my water to 6.5. from 30 days 12/12 onward i slam then every watering with the indoneasion guano

the only thing i'll do different for this grow is add FF beasty bloom so the cab run wont be 100% organic like a grow now. as i have stated before i know cfls grow nice buds but i dont believe for 1 second your hubby is pulling 2-4 grams per watt dry after harvest. thats honestly ludacrist to say which implys he grows better then most on this forum.


so ive made the challange by yrs end i'll have a cab setup just like the Dr's except my plant count will be 30 not 77. everything ive read on sog is 2 plants per sqft is nice 4 per sqft is crowded and your hubby is placing 16 per sqft hum. i'm not attacking you so dont take this wrong but tell your hubby i'm challanging him to disprove his 2-4 GPW under cfls with no veg time in soil

i have 3 grow logs of mine in my sig go ahead read them i left noting out of the logs put the ups and downs i had.

be warned the 1st sugar shack grow log is very long over 100 pgs and around 25k views

 

[Stoned Cold]

Major Pothead, as I am curious to your findings, I believe it would be an inaccurate replication/demonstration using less than half the head count.
I atleast think you should match the 16 per sq. foot.

Cant run 77, and 15 larger plants to depend on?

 

[DrBudGreengenes]

, we'll see.

now 1 thing i noticed the Dr never says what ferts he uses and at what dossages ????

you've read nothing of mine Have you/
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1276548&postcount=4

I would be VERY Interested in a Real time discussion w/you on this subject...as will many others.

please visit us soon
at the link below..


http://www.icmag.com/ic/chat/chat3.php