How To Make A.F. Plants With C. Ruderalis ??...e.g AutoCheese!

[englishrick]

is it possible to buy a C. Ruderalis and cross it with one of my faves

i want to make 100% A.F. seeds for a friend in spain!!

eg

C. Ruderalis x Cheese "sk1 ibl".......what do you guys think??

do i need a C. Ruderalis with very dom A.F. genes??....

 

[bottletoke]

I think you might be better off using some already worked lines such as Masterlow, diesel ryder, powerstout..ect, to cross with your "cheese", this is because while already having the autoflowering gene they have been bred towards yeild and potency, which seems to always be the main concern with these AF strains.

 

[englishrick]

whats the best plan to get 100% AF seeds?.....

im thinking!!... if i use a master low male.. or diesel ryder male on the cheese only about 50% of the seeds will be AF.... am i wrong??

masterlow sounds like its a wickid backcross with some quality inbreading....is it nessery to do all that work to get your fave to produce 100% AF seeds??

i want my friend in spain to get 100`s of cheap AF seeds!!

 

[englishrick]

im guessin C. Ruderalis x Cheese "sk1 ibl".......is a true f1 and if a small test of the seeds proves to be AF, probbly all be AF ....

 

[FirstTracks]

mdanzig's posts are full of info on AF breeding if you're interested in further reading.
i'm too lazy to do the searches for you though

 

[englishrick]

i checked his stuff and im still finding it hard to undrestand how to make loads of 100% AF seeds.....the best plan ive thought of is to incross the masterlow again

????????????????????????

 

[FirstTracks]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=61239&page=2&pp=15&highlight=AF+breeding

ok, post #26 on page 2 has a lil info on percentages. I'll look for more maybe

this thread has more actual discussion, lots of opinions without backup though so be discerning
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=52976

a little more info, some repeated
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=47933

and another...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26667&highlight=AF+breeding


btw, i searched 'af breeding' and 'breeding autoflower' to find these
there is more info like this out there, just needs to be searched.


GOOD LUCK!

 

[englishrick]

thanks man....respect coming to you now!!....any more info is much apreceated!!..

 

[Guest]

Ruderalis isn't always AF, some are, some aren't. Most are very low potency, between myself and a couple of friends we've grown hundreds of Moravian ruderalis beans and maybe 5% of them had some potency, the rest were crap, some were very resinous but still no potency, less than 50% were AF.

To breed ruderalis to a drug cultivar with the end goal of creating a drug cultivar would be a lot of hard work over many generations and to be frank, just not worth it, Neville wasted a lot of time and effort to find out that ruderalis is of little or no use in breeding drug cultivars.

Besides, ithout travellign to Eastern Europe, how are you gonna find the ruderalis in the first place? A lot of the ruderalis in Eastern Europe is just hemp gone feral, at least the ruderalis we had was descended from drug crops planted by the Scythians, most ruderalis populations are just feral hemp from centuries of fibre cultivation.

 

[englishrick]

so the only way to make loads of 100% true AF seeds is to incross a lowryder/masterlow type???

witch will be the best for outdoors spain??

 

[Guest]

Rick, you do realise it took over 9 gens to get Lowryder to 100% AF? You're probably not gonna see ANY AF plants in the F1 cross, and perhaps only 25% in the F2s, from there you need several gens of incrossing and backcrossing to get to 100%.

It's a waste of time, to be quite frank, you'll take years to even get half way.

 

[englishrick]

but if get 2 packs of masterlow... an just incross "f2" (ML x ML).. il get 100% AF seeds???

 

[englishrick]

gp ........i want to load my mates in spain with wickid AF plants for outdoors!!

what should i do?

incross masterlow ....incross diesel ryder.....incross auto ak47

please set me on the right path!!

 

[Hans Blix]

[...] an just incross "f2" (ML x ML).. il get 100% AF seeds???

Yes, certainly. Any stabilized LR cross will produce 100% AF seeds. Same thing if you cross different stabilized LR crosses with each other.

[...]gp ........i want to load my mates in spain with wickid AF plants for outdoors!!

what should i do?

incross masterlow ....incross diesel ryder.....incross auto ak47

please set me on the right path!!

Go ahead with any one of those. Or intercross them.

 

[bigbag]

u might consider using mighty mite instead.its auto and gets u kind of stoned.cheese x mighty mite would be killer.mighty mite has already been crossed to skunk#1 with good results,so the cheese should be quite compatable.mighty mite is a rudy x himalayan indica,developed in BC circa late 80's/early 90's.

 

[englishrick]

is mighty mite a true AF???

 

[englishrick]

im under the impresion that the only way to make loads of 100% AF seeds is to cross some of the current 100% AF seed lines...is this correct??

anything else would take too long!!

 

[bigbag]

yes mighty mite is true AF,90-120 days seed-harvest(regardless of photoperiod).finding the og mighty mite is difficult these days.mighty mite seed co,west coast seed co are both hit and miss.theres def real mighty mite floating around BC's Gulf Islands,and Vancouver island area.mighty mite is an emerald green bud with a hashy/minty/bubblegum smell.the stone is decent,esp if ones tolerance is low.mighty mite outcrosses with later lines very well,often knocking at least 2 wks off the flowering time in filial generations.one of BC most prolific outdoor buds,well liked because it finishes before rippers and LEO helicopters

 

[englishrick]

if i get the chance to get a proper MM then consider it almost done!!....looks like a cross with LR2, ML, DR an BS are my next best bet

wich one is good for outdoor spain...ive grown nycdiesel before and it wont turn out propper without extra care....am i wrong??

 

[bigbag]

mighty mite is available through a # of Canadian seed shops.i'd order from a few diff ones for comparison.another BC breeder specailizing in early auto-style genetics is the Solar Warrior.he offers some great sounding hybrids that contain exotic parents crossed with rudy