Gas Prices - What do you think?

[LiLWaynE]

Canada's oil sands are second to Suadi Arabia but it is harder to extract (actually it is mined) and is environmentally devastating (but localized).

I agree with everything you say Minds_I .... just wanted to get a point across:


oil and anything that has to do with it has been proven to be environmentally devastating.

I know our auto industry is delving into the industry of fuel efficient vehicles, but it seems as if they are going at a slow pace. 50mpg? 60mpg? The capabilities go WAY beyond those numbers but we are restricted to advance due to politics.

the more and more I think about this shit, nostradamus might be right about civilization coming to an end in 2012

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Billy, can't hang with riots in the streets but by all means boycott.

I am driving less and making what trips I do make I get more done.

I have not been using my AC and I am the guy you are behind that won't speed up to the next stop sign only to stop hard. I drive slower and acclerate slower.

I have been getting 20mpg in town with a 01' Dodge with a 3.5L engine.

I heard on CNBC that oil consumption was down 6% in the US in April.....I say way to go though I suspect it is more closely attributed to a slowing US economy.

As a sidenote I read about this farmer in Indiana that decided to drill his 10 acres of land for natural gas. He found it.

The farmer and his investors decided to drill for oil as it would happen where there is NG there is oil. So another 310 feet later a find was made that now produces 20 barrels of top grade crude.

Wow...thats self reliance. It did however cost 100K$ but the return will be in less then a year. Go America!

minds_I

 

[joseok]

the more and more I think about this shit, nostradamus might be right about civilization coming to an end in 2012

Or what he could mean is the NWO will be finalized in 2012, yeah pretty much the end of civilization.

 

[FrankRizzo]

If you are looking to save some money do some research into hypermilling. It's the practice of trying to get every ounce of energy out of your car. Not stomping on your gas pedal, using your brakes as little as possible, things like that. It is something that I am just learning about so I don't have much great information for everyone. Maybe there are some others one here that know more about it.

 

[dfa]

$4.19 a Gallon. Such a deal..

 

[GET MO]

Gas price- what do you think?

Gas price- what do you think?

Oh shit man I love um, nothin like goin to the gas pump and puttin your whole paycheck in so you can keep goin to work. what kinda question is that?
Heres another one: Millions of nonviolent citizen incarcirated, what do you think???
Tuff question bro, Ima haveta go to tibet and meditate for 7 years before I can give you an answer.... Maybe by thein it wont be an issue...

 

[facelift]

Here are several common tips that were tested. The article will give you enough information to increase your gas mileage and save money on gas.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/106842/article.html

I also came across a little gadget that creates a vortex in your air intake that is more about increasing horsepower while using the same amount of gas, than saving gas. It's called "the vortex". I'm a skeptic, but I thought I would pass on the name of the product. The claim is 1-2 MPG increase and 5-10 horse power.

There are things on the market called HHO generators that claim you can build yourself for 50 bucks that will run your car on water. In my research, someone suggested the myth was busted on mythbusters, but after looking at the mythbusters website and message board, all I found was an unresolved argument about how it takes more energy to separate the HHO, (hydrogen gas), from water than the HHO gives off.

Finally, if you got the credit, look for a credit card that gives you a rebate on you gas purchases. Some offer up to 20% during intro period.

 

[trouble]

Today, I put in around 23 gallons which cost me $93 and some change. Last month my gas card bills were over $800 for a 3 car family. If this shit continues I'm trading in my sons cars for 2 of those Ho Chi Minh Communist Bicycles. They will be the ones peddling down the street wearing the Bamboo Straw Hats & T-Shirts that say "My Dad is a Cheep Bastard!".


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[ureapwhatusow]

A perfect example of how sick, corrupt, bloated and evil the patriarchal Corpo-Nazi paradigm is.

tr00f

dig your sigs btw

 

[Old Man Time]

I drive a 6.0 liter GMC pickup. IT is the definition of a gas guzzler. I get about 14 mpg on the highway and I commute about 80 miles a day. $600 a month in gas easy.

I started last monday driving my mother in laws toyota corolla. Its getting about 38 mpg and only takes $40 to fill up.

I think I will be driving the toyota a bit longer.

This high gas price thing is a bubble really. It will pop one day IMO. Just like the dot com bubble and the housing bubble....they will pop. At a time when demand should be going up....its going down....americans are letting off the peddle a bit and its showing. We are dropping our intake of gas for the first time in 30 years.

Its not demand driving the price up....its the speculative analysts. Its paper pushers scaring the markets which IMO is a bunch of horseshit.

If you want to save money....commute with 1 or 2 other people you work with. Thats what i have been doing for a year. So when I see $4 dollar gallons....in reality...im only paying $2 a gal. And ive slowed down on the highway to....no more 70...im down to 63....toyota or GMC....its mcuh more efficient.

 

[bighogg]

i absolutely LOVE high gas prices.

Not because i love to spend my hard earned money on a soon to be scarce world resource....

Nope.

i love high gas prices because it automatically increases conservation and more investment into alternatives such as wind and solar. it automatically helps preserve the earth's environment because it FORCES people to think about how much energy they consume. HA HA HA all you SUV drivin' Mini Mansion Suburban sprawl living brainless sheep HA HA HA

i like to hear all those Oil guys whine cry and gnash their teeth about BS excuses about alternative energy and how "inefficient" it is or how it will NEVER be enough. it really won't matter how "efficient" it is if oil costs over 150 dollars a barrel. that pretty much makes up for all the "efficiency" you lie about.

wake up America. get a real energy plan. start conserving. change your lightbulbs. use NG for transportation. make solar energy and wind energy part of our policy so we don't have to start any more wars!!

 

[wishbone420]

im just sick of how this country is being ran period. the little guy always get the shitty end. bush has sucked up all our money. its all a conspiracy

 

[FrankRizzo]

im just sick of how this country is being ran period. the little guy always get the shitty end. bush has sucked up all our money. its all a conspiracy

What he said

Edit-Gas here is about 4.41 for regs

 

[Mrs.Babba]

gas just went up yesterday around here...5.09 for diesel!!! ...regular is right under that, boy oh boy!! ...gonna be a tough summer for some ppl

 

[Rood Spook]

Only the rich really get to live!!!

 

[Stoner4Life]

I'm looking for the right sized scooter or moped.
gotta be street legal & get up to 60-65 mph.......

 

[Collie Man]

im just sick of how this country is being ran period. the little guy always get the shitty end. bush has sucked up all our money. its all a conspiracy

So very very true!!! And fuck gas prices!!! I paying $ 3.95 which is pretty good compared to some of you guys. People should ride motocycles or scooters! But besides that the real thing I pissed off about is...we have the technology to build multi million dollar fighter jets and build the most outrageous things possible these days but nope...has anyone made a car that could run on water or electric? Thats what we need!!!!! Our earth is mostly covered by water and there is soooo much of it!!!!! Its all because if money.....I wish money didn't exsist! Fuck bush, fuck this "new america" we are living in, and fuck_____. (fill the blank). Ony if people knew how corrupt America is then something would happen... maybe...

 

[LiLWaynE]

here is the info from the link that facelift posted...

Fuel Economy

We Test the Tips
What Really Saves Gas? And How Much?
By Philip Reed, Senior Consumer Advice Editor and Mike Hudson, News Editor
Email
Date Posted 11-22-2005


With gas prices so high, the media is awash with lists of gas-saving tips. Well how's this for a tip? If you listen to us, you can see hybrid-type savings without having to buy a new car.

By changing your driving habits you can improve fuel economy up to 37 percent right away (depending on how you drive). Combine several tips and perform routine maintenance and you will save real dollars, not just pennies.

A miracle? All we did was take several of the most common tips out there and put them to the test over a remote 55-mile route in the high desert of California. Some of them worked like a charm. Some of them didn't work at all. We'll give you the breakdown.

These tests were done under real-world conditions — not in a government lab somewhere. Our results can be matched by anyone — even you.

The wonderful part about what we found is that improving your car's mileage is just a matter of changing your habits. Stack a few of these winners together and we'll bet that you'll see a substantial savings at the pump — without the need for a new car.


Test #1 Aggressive Driving vs. Moderate Driving

Result: Major savings potential

The Cold Hard Facts: Up to 37 percent savings, average savings of 31 percent

Recommendation: Stop driving like a maniac.

Aggressive vs. Moderate Driving: read the entire test


Test #2 Lower Speeds Saves Gas

Result: Substantial savings on a long trip

Cold Hard Facts: Up to 14 percent savings, average savings of 12 percent

Recommendation: Drive the speed limit.

Lower Speeds Saves Gas: Read the entire test


Test #3 Use Cruise Control

Result: Surprisingly effective way to save gas

Cold Hard Facts: Up to 14-percent savings, average savings of 7 percent

Recommendation: If you've got it, use it.

Cruise Control: Read the entire test


Test #4 A/C On, Windows Up vs. A/C Off, Windows Down

Result: Nice in theory; not true in practice

Cold Hard Facts: No measurable difference (unless you open the sunroof, too!)

Recommendation: Please, make yourself comfortable.

Air Conditioner: Read the entire test


Test #5 Check Your Tire Pressure

Result: Important for safety and to reduce tire wear

Cold Hard Facts: No measurable effect on the vehicles we tested

Recommendation: Check your tire pressure often but don't expect a big savings.

Tire pressure: Read the entire test


Test #6 Avoid Excessive Idling

Result: More important than we assumed

Cold Hard Facts: Avoiding excessive idling can save up to 19 percent

Recommendation: Stopping longer than a minute? Shut 'er down.

Excessive idling: Read the entire test


The Tests

Our results are based on two separate fuel testing sessions. On each occasion we took two cars from the Edmunds.com long-term fleet and drove on a 56-mile test loop. Our route circled Owens Lake near Lone Pine, California, at the foot of Mount Whitney, the tallest mountain in the lower 48 states. We chose the route because it was so deserted we could vary our speed and driving style without interfering with the flow of traffic. The only other cars we saw on the route were a caravan of test vehicles from Mercedes-Benz. We drove the loops back-to-back to ensure that we were comparing similar wind and temperatures. We logged our results and later put them on a spreadsheet where the results were averaged.


Test #1: Aggressive vs. Moderate Driving

This is gonna hurt. Our tests showed that the most significant way to save gas is: you. And we're talking massive fuel economy gains. Think you need a hybrid? Chances are you've got hybrid-style mileage in your gas pedal foot. Don't mash the gas when you start up. Take the long view of the road and brake easy. This tip alone can save you unbelievable amounts of gas. If you slowed your 0-to-60-mph acceleration time down from your current 10 seconds to a more normal city pace of 15 seconds, you'll feel the savings immediately.

Method: We conducted this test four times. The first time we did the full 55-mile loop once by accelerating aggressively 15 times at 3/4-throttle from zero to a cruising speed of 75 mph. We also applied the brakes hard to come to a full stop. Then, we drove the second loop by accelerating moderately 15 times at 1/4-throttle to a cruising speed of 70 mph. We braked lightly to a full stop. In the second set of tests we drove 25 miles making 25 rapid accelerations to 65 mph at 3/4-throttle. After 1 minute of cruising we braked hard and repeated the cycle up to 65 mph. We then drove the same distance making 25 moderation accelerations to 60 mph at 1/4-throttle. After 1 minute of cruising we applied the brakes easily and came to a full stop.


Test #2 Lower Speeds Saves Gas

Remember a thing called the speed limit? On most highways it is either 65 or 70 mph. How fast are the cars and trucks around you going? From 75 mph to 90 mph. These people are wasting a lot of gas for the chance to get there a little earlier. Factor in safety concerns and a speeding ticket once or twice a year and going fast is a costly proposition.

Method: This test was simple. For 50 miles we drove with the cruise control set at 65 mph. Then, for another 50-mile stretch we drove with cruise set at 75 mph. We repeated this test going in the opposite direction. It is amazing how obvious the difference in gas mileage was. Just think what would have happened if we had slowed down to 60 mph. The only problem is with impatient drivers behind you. One driver became so irate that he tried to run our editor off the road. Still, if you are pinched by gas prices. Leave a little early and drive the speed limit (in the slow lane).


Test #3 Use Cruise Control

Using cruise control is a bit of gas-saving advice frequently on tips lists. We have always agreed with this tip in theory but we hadn't expected such significant results. First, it smoothes out the driver's accelerator input by preventing nervous "surging." Second, it makes the driver take the long view of the road rather than reacting to every change in the traffic around them.

Method: We did this test twice with four different cars each time driving the 55-mile loop. The first time we set cruise control to 70 mph. The second time, with the cruise control off, we varied our speed between 65 mph and 75 mph. We tried to mimic the driving style of a person who is in moderate freeway traffic.

One thing that's important to note: if you are in a mountainous area you should turn off cruise. It will try to keep you up to the speed you've set and will use a lot of extra gas downshifting to lower gears to accomplish this.


Test #4 A/C On, Windows Up vs. A/C Off, Windows Down

This has got to take you back to the days with the family on vacation. Dad says, "Turn the A/C off! It wastes gas!" And Mom says, "We can't roll the windows down or everyone on the highway will think we can't afford A/C." And you're in the back roasting, hoping someone will win the argument so you can cool off.

Well, family psychology aside, if dads are still saying this, they aren't necessarily right. While the A/C compressor does pull power from the engine wasting some gas, the effect appears to be fairly minimal in modern cars. And putting the windows down tends to increase drag on most cars, canceling out any measurable gain from turning the A/C off. But this one depends on the model you're driving. When we opened the sunroof in our SUV, the mileage did decrease even with the A/C off. Still, in our experience, it's not worth the argument because you won't save a lot of gas either way. So just do what's comfortable.

Method: We drove the full 55 mile-loop in two cars at equal speeds both times — 65 mph. The first loop we drove with the A/C on and the windows up. The second loop we drove with the A/C off and windows down. In the second test we drove 20-mile loops. This was far enough to see our gas mileage level off and remain steady on the computer trip meter.


Test #5: Check Your Tire Pressure

No matter how many times drivers hear about the importance of tire pressure, most of them don't do anything about it. They probably don't like squatting beside their car in a busy gas station with fumes swirling around them. But is it important? The answer is yes, for a number of reasons. Properly inflated tires are less likely to fail at high speeds. They wear more evenly and, yes, they deliver better gas mileage. How much? In this test we saw a modest difference in two of the cars. It might have been more dramatic with different tires on different cars. Experts swear by it; we couldn't really document it. And we wound up wondering if tire technology, like the design in other areas of the car, had improved.

Eventually, we concluded that each set of tires is different and every vehicle is different. We recommend that you do your own tests to see what inflation setting gives you the best fuel economy.

Method: We drove the 55-mile test loop four times at 60 mph — twice with tires at or above proper inflation. Once, we did the test with the tires 5 psi below the pressure recommended by the manufacturer. Since this produced very little difference we enlarged the gap and under inflated the tires by 8 psi. We felt that it was important to make sure the tires were inflated to the recommended level or above.


Test #6 Avoid Excessive Idling

If you turn off a light bulb as you leave the room you'll save electricity. If you turn off your car you will save gas. Obviously. But related questions are more difficult to answer. If you're only stopping for only a minute, is it better to shut off the engine or keep it idling? Should I shut off the engine in traffic? How much gas will this save? What rule of thumb do I use when trying to save gas this way?

Method: We took two cars and drove a 10-mile route stopping 10 times for two minutes. We shut down the car each time. Then we drove the same route at the same speed and let the car idle for two minutes.

Conclusions

The good news is that you can drastically improve your gas mileage. The caveat is that you have to change your driving habits. If you are willing to change, you'll find many related benefits too: no speeding tickets, greater safety, reduced stress and lower repair bills for tires and brake pads. In the long run this will save you money. And who knows? You might like the new you.

 

[damitrius777]

the middleclass is history


peace n pot

 

[Slipklot]

They're bleedin' us dry. It's the American way. it all goes in cycles fam, they raise until people chill on buying it, then they quickly lower it so people go buck on it then once they're steady back on buyin the shit they raise em. Please believe on the weekends when them poor ass 9-5 cats are fuelin up they raise em. What's really good canada? You about to be seeing me if america keeps rollin in this fucked up direction. Tired of this country, you know it's getting shitty when poor immagrants come here and is like wtf? This some bullshit. This ain't what it looks like on TV. haha