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IR may well be the missing link. More work needs to be done to research the parts of the spectrum that cannabis requires during flowering, we know cholorophyll requires red and blue wavelengths, but I think it's much more complex than that when it comes to the requirements of a flowering cannabis plant.

LED technology is moving very, very fast, within a year or two affordable 20w LEDs will be common. The 5mm LEDs that dav zap's lights use are old technology, the high power LEDs being developed by companies like CREE, Seoul Semiconductor, Prolight, Edisn Opto, LumiLEDs, TruOpto, LEDengin etc. are far more efficient than the 5mm/8mm/10mm plastic cased LEDs we are familiar with, and in the next couple of years, we will see very effective, very efficient LED lights available.

The Procyon is a good start, but it uses 56 CREE XR LEDs to produce 100w, which is only 1.6W per LED, and I think red CREEs run like that will only produce about 70 lumens each. A red Luxeon III Star produces 140 lumens at 1000mA current, 3v. I'm running my Luxeons at 1400mA, 3.4v, so they should be producing about 200 lumens each, consuming almost 5W of power each. That is a lot more efficient than the Procyon, and I'm sure in a year or two, much better LEDs will be available.

Some details of my light array:

4 power circuits

Circuit 1 - 1400mA, 30v, 7 x Luxeon III Star red, 2 x Luxeon K2 blue - 3.334v each, 42W power consumption, each LED draws 4.667W

Circuit 2 - 1400mA, 30v, 7 x Luxeon III Star red, 2 x Luxeon K2 blue - 3.334v each, 42W power consumption, each LED draws 4.667W

Circuit 3 - 350mA, 12v, 6 x Edison Opto 0.5w Infrared - 2v each, 4.2W power consumption, each LED draws 0.7W

Circuit 4 - 350mA, 12v, 4x Prolight 1W Ultraviolet - 3v each, 4.2W power consumption, each LED draws 1.05W

That works out as 65.3W red, 9.4W blue, 4.2W IR, 4.2W UV, a total of 83W. I figure this is ideal for experimenting and working out how to grow with LEDs. If this setup works well, I will expand it with a third 1400mA 42W circuit to take it upto 125W.

I'm keen to know what other parts of the spectrum are needed by the flowering cannabis plant. I'm a bit worried that the UV LEDs I'm using are 390-410nm, which is UV-A and the plants will need 290nm UV-B. I've also noticed that some of the new LED growlights coming on the market that use hundred of 5mm LEDs are including a small number of green LEDs, so I'm wondering if I should include 3 or 4 1W green LEDs in my light setup?
 

dav zap

Member
expertsetup

expertsetup

good morning and thank you for the introduction to the Japanese Edison.

He sure has his stuff together, super. changed the world. what a guy. but

what is the missing link?
 

Chiefsmokingbud

Slap-A-Ho tribe
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I think UV is a key factor. From what i have read cannabis produces thcv in response to levels of UV. It's understood cannabis does this to either prevent drying out ot getting burnt. On that note it may be safe to say, increase uv increase resin production
 

dav zap

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Chiefsmokingbud

Chiefsmokingbud

greetings Chiefsmokingbud and you know you're in the right place to talk about UV light. My favorit wavelength-UV-Freq#B. There is no question of making more THC with UV-B. Its well established and I'd like to take this opportunity to mention it to all indoor growers. If indoors with out providing UV-B to the plant, the pot is much less stony. UV is in the sunlight and that is why outdoor pot is stronger. Available at the pet shop as lizard lights. One good one is ZOO-MED ReptiSun Output#10.0 . That is what I have in CFL form in with the LEDs. In my HPS closet is the SPERTI Suntan lamp 800w 30% UV-B. Very effective. Can you be well stoned from a half a thin joint of your indoor pot? Be Honest with yourself. You will get more stoned on indoor pot when its flowered with UV-B. Check your local Marijuana grow books, man. Its in there.
 
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UV is important, but there are many other factors influencing outdoor vs indoor, and no, outdoor pot isn't always stronger, it varies greatly, depending on many factors, although as a rule of thumb, I'd say most outdoor pot that is grown well is better than most indoor pot, but outdoor pot grown not so well can be not that potent.

Does anyone have any info on UV-A and UV-B and their comparative usefulness to plants?

Dav, can you qualify what you mean when you say UV makes pot more stony? Do you mean more potent or more heavy and 'stony' in effect?

Surely the effect of pot is all down to the particular blend of terpenes present, and I'm not sure if UV-B will have any effect on the terpene production, maybe this is an area where mre serious scuience needs to be done?
 

dav zap

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WormSlayer

WormSlayer

WormSlayer you kill me with that old foto! Thanx for re-visiting the past

with us. Oh! It was missing my little checkered flag.

here is a current bud shot
 

dav zap

Member
wide plant

wide plant

inside the drobe is 3' across. Look at the width of that plant. A well

powered LED grow. The secret weapon now is LEDs.
 

Chiefsmokingbud

Slap-A-Ho tribe
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Well i wish you all the luck and i hope you can make me a believer. This will make the 4th LED grow I've seen and the previous grows just didn't cut it. Fluffy buds, stretchy plants, low yield, extended veg and flower time etc. But hey, they saved on electricity. Best of luck dav
 

dav zap

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Chiefsmokingbud

Chiefsmokingbud

greetings sportster. of course we are supposed to be producing pot while we save - and maybe it won't beat HPS yet. But it will be a modest success in flowering and a smashing success in veg. It did make a Frankenstein monster bush. the buds are dense and potent. I smoked one already. THere are some good sized bud on top of the branches. Several.
Like a few inches long, each one. You'll see soon.
 
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guest3589

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dav zap

dav zap

Have you considered partitioning your closet? Dividing your lights into two groups and two grow spaces could allow you to experiment with combinations of variables that might lead to discovery more quickly. I have to agree that I believe there is something in the spectrum that is missing but I can't say what. Perhaps the green LED's Ganja Pasha mentions on the newer panels will be some new results? I can see those colas in the pics, they look good. A scrog may be a good option for this situation since there was so much veg on this one?

And of course I am still looking for the xxx bud shot when she takes off her clothes. :muahaha:
 

dav zap

Member
expertsetup

expertsetup

greetings to you sportster dude. you've got some good ideas. however I am dubious of green lights, actually forget green. That is what we use as a night safe-lite for visiting the plants during dark cycle, without waking them. Green light. What do you think of InfraRed? In relation to flowering.

Partitioning is a fine and good idea. Scrog is an excellent plan as well. It would optimize things, your ideas. Perhaps I should try Google for more info on LED flowering? Wouldn't someone have come up with it? Or maybe not? Could it be just one more frequency to trigger better growth in flower production?
 
To be honest, your results look somewhat disappointing. After 10 weeks, I would expect those plants to be much farther along than they currently appear.


To be fair, I am definitely waiting until you harvest to see the actual gram/watt, and total yield, but for 10 weeks in, those buds look under developed.
 

dav zap

Member
Aaronponic

Aaronponic

arrested development? I sure don't know why it takes so long, but, please continue to be fair. When the plant is fully matured, we will indeed see what happened. scheduling isn't what matters. buddage, my good man. Hey I am not upset if it hasn't beat HPS in buddage, just make a good showing. It has produced a monster bush, like no other LowRyder2. Lets not discount what it has done.
 

sunnyside

Plant Manager
Veteran
time is everything when you are doing something illegal. I started a cycle about the same time you did...and I am already smoking my herb. And I grew and flowered them under t5's not HID's.

In your pictures I see the internodal spacing of a underlit plant. There is alot of stem in that bush my friend.

I hope this finishes good for you and you yield some nice buds...but this showing hasn't convinced me...

The cost of these units doesn't match it's performance imo.
 
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