What's the current status of Thai landraces?

[Dalaihempy]

Treat like with like.

It is true we wanted to investigate the credibility of "Hempy's" posts and from what we've seen he/she speaks utter garbage. This is the reason we quoted his delusion and gave reproach.

We who is we doc and investigate my credibility your an idiot mate only one needing investigate here is you to what mental state you in lol.

Why do we get Thai weed in the UK ? Why is that we could buy Thai stick in sticks from De Dampkring post 9/11... If all of what hempy says is correct. ??.

Doc you need to think for your self some times and not expect it from others thialand is in Asia and Asia is a hot spot you have the us / australian and other Governments agencies from that area and and a far watching like hawks be it anti terror or people smuggling.

Now if your planing on moving cannabis into and threw china you really think the Chinese will let tons of cannabis to get threw its border threw its country and then out dream on.

You have more chance of it coming from Africa to urope or it could even be grown with in uropes borders like Spain.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Albanians are suplieing it even.

Did you guys ever even go to Amsterdam, would be the next question?

No dont think id like amsterdam would rather kick it in spain aloa lol.

But have friends that went and have been told by people in the know that the smoke is not all you and others claim it to be doc .

 

[DocLeaf]

Of course we forgot it comes from Albania... lmfao

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[Dalaihempy]

Doc stop being a dick thia in the 90s ha importation of thia started to slow from mid 80s and was not seen towards the later part of the 80s here so if we did not get it chances are you and the rest of the world did not also why because a lot of the thia was imported to us them to other countrys .

As for debating Sam i am allowed to Sam has his opinions and i have my opinions I'm sorry if my experiences hands on don't match sams.

I have never seen a thia sativa once sexed as a female Hermes the only time i ever saw hermies in sativas was at sexing.

You can rant all you like doc the first time i ever saw a plant show hermie traits once it was sexed and well into flowering was in fact a dutch hybrid line.

I grew and still grow real thia doc i don't pretend to have all the answers i only post what i saw and know from hands on experience i don't talk shit you need to do the same.

 

[Dalaihempy]

: Yet you still seem totally unaware of the present alliances between co-operative seed co.s currently retailing within Europe, from the same gardens and same basis of genetic stock.

Are you really that dumb or do you want us to draw the lines between the dots for you also?
Peace out all
DocLeaf


N.B. The "we" is like a royal "we",, keeps us clean from nerks and legislation

Doc let me tell you something i know more than you think i know about not only GHS i only try to be a nice guy arjan is a compleat wank the guy is an ego maniac the real king of cannabis was and always will be Neville his the guy given that title and not by Neville him self unlike arjan the self proclaimed pimp of cannabis who you seam to be doing a lot of leg work for.

I do know were there seed making or lets call it breeding i know were arjan got seeds from in resent times used not parent lines as bull shited by them i know problems they had of resent i know more than you think i know doc and how things are done by a few in urope you think what you like but i don't say openly what i know doc as it serves no one you would be well advice to stfu.

p.s. continue to flame me and we will squash you back to the stone yo'll crawled from! We used to eat trolls like you for breakfast on OG... and you've just got us hungry.

Doc ward of advice don't mistake me being nice as being week my advice to you is i don't take threats to well you would be advised to not repeat this type of crap.

In the last 24 hours doc you have show all in icmag what a complete wank you are and GHS muppet.

Stop fkn trolling me stay on post topic to.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Ok back to topic here just for you doc REAL THIA thats in flower and is hermi free.

Over 12 weeks to just show sex then i took clones rooted clone back to flower and pics are of her at week 12 or just over i belive long way to go still.

 

[Guest]

Doc, let me inform you on who you're talking too.

Ive seen hempy grow a Mango Haze female that is now famous in some circles (Queeny)that yielded more per single plant than l33ts entire crop of Mango Haze combined. When you talk real deal growers, who know their shit hempy is one of the best there is. A true veteran of the forums, who has been growing marijuana since before 40-60% of you were born.

His Hempy Bucket thread at Doc Chronics hydro forum is the most viewed thread of all time. He has helped more people grow great marijuana, increase their yields and get positive results even with little to no prior experience growing cannabis. He has had guys who supply medical marijuana clubs in California personally thank him for sharing his information and vowe to never go back to another way of growing again. They were that impressed with his simple, but effective method that "even a cave man can do".

You're dealing with a legend on the forums, I suggest you apologize for being an ass clown, shut up and pay attention to what the man has to say. Show some respect, you're just another HT expert at the back of the line bro, so respect your elders and those who've earned their reputation in the community.


The Thai is lovely hempy, and is without a doubt legitimate Thai. Not an obvious Dutch hybrid like others post on a regular basis. Now thats an 'Elite' variety folks! "Kush" or real Thai?

It doesnt take a

To figure that out.

 

[Rosy Cheeks]

I need to spend a few months in Thailand, and would like to track down some of the old landrace strains that I've read about, such as Highland Thai and Chocolate Thai.

Do these still exist? If so, where would they be cultivated?

I know my way around Thailand, and I've bought some very good ganja there in the past, but I only got interested in growing recently.

I'll be based in Bangkok, but I'll be up in Issan and Chiang Mai as well. I have a number of friends there who will be able to track down ganja, and seed, but they are unlikely to know anything about the genetics. My real objective is to get a good supply of seeds for breeding puposes.

Anyone know the area?

Just a little. Seems like you know your way around too, as you say.

As Londonium mentioned, Thailand was formerly a pot paradise, which is why "Thai" is a reference in stoner mythology.
Unfortunately, the US decided to export their "War On Drugs" and clamped down on all the drug producing Asian countries. Thailand ended up on the US blacklist of drug exporting countries, and with a fast growing industry and GDP, they were eager to comly to Uncle Sam's demands.

Up north, where local ethnic groups such as the Karen has been cultivating Cannabis for generations, and corrupted local politicians and military commanders cared little, they cleaned house with both.

When Thaksin Shinawatra arrived at power in 2001, the War On Drugs was stepped up a notch, and now even stoner beaches down south can occasionally go dry.

The famous drug commerce in the "Golden Triangle" area moved to the other side of the border, into Burma, Laos and Cambodia.

That's where you'll have to head, unless you're content with picking seeds out of beach weed at Phuket or Pattaya.

I would personally cross into Laos, which is a safe, easygoing place, compared to Burma or Cambodia.

You could also head to from Chang Mai to Pai, close to the Burmese border, and befriend the Chinese merchants, that deal in just about anything. Pai is changing quickly though, from ex stoner village to family friendly tourist resort, and you may have to improvise.

 

[Stone Locust]

I grew out a "thai" from a dutch coffeeshop's thai brickweed last summer. (52 degrees north ).
As you can see it only made some calyxes, no buds. It flowered for about 81 days before it had to go down end of november and it still produces an awesome high. Very special sweet and spicy smell.

 

[afghanica]

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I would personally cross into Laos, which is a safe, easygoing place, compared to Burma or Cambodia.

You could also head to from Chang Mai to Pai, close to the Burmese border, and befriend the Chinese merchants, that deal in just about anything. Pai is changing quickly though, from ex stoner village to family friendly tourist resort, and you may have to improvise.

Hey, thanks for getting this thread back on topic.

I've come to the same conclusion regarding Laos. From what I'm hearing, alot of the cultivation moved over there, and Burma. But Burma doesn't sound like alot of fun right now.

I'm going to head over to Laos and check out the waterfalls, and see what I can find.

 

[Elevator Man]

You could also head to from Chang Mai to Pai, close to the Burmese border, and befriend the Chinese merchants, that deal in just about anything.

That's my thinking behind the origins of these:



The three countries all meet at the northern end, and Thailand is only prevented from touching China by Burma and Laos - but their shared border runs up to China along the river (is is the Mekong?), so I don't see why they can't get it out that way. I'm prepared to accept the sticks could be African, as the Chinese now are really getting embedded there, but the seeds don't look African to me, but Thai, or at least that region, as they're very large, fairly unmottled, and tan color.

If it's Burmese, Cambodian or Laotian I don't mind, as they're all great.



Also, my friend swears he could prove they were Thai, but he ain't gonna, as he feels he's given away more than most would already in this situation, and I'm very grateful for his help so far - he has security concerns that I don't! But the proof is in the pudding, as it were, so hopefully more of these can be grown out and we can make a considered evaluation.

 

[cway]

Doc, let me inform you on who you're talking too.



You're dealing with a legend on the forums, I suggest you apologize for being an ass clown, shut up and pay attention to what the man has to say. Show some respect, you're just another HT expert at the back of the line bro, so respect your elders and those who've earned their reputation in the community.


The Thai is lovely hempy, and is without a doubt legitimate Thai. Not an obvious Dutch hybrid like others post on a regular basis. Now thats an 'Elite' variety folks! "Kush" or real Thai?

Its sad that this happens all to much.. NOt talking about anyone specific.. But in general people act disrespectful with others they know nothing about.. Alot of whom Im sure are very knowledgable and respected members of the Cannabis community. Really no way of controlling it I guess.. Makes me real hessitant to post because last thing I want is to get in a pissing match with others.. Prob drives away alot of growers that could contribute to these threads..

 

[DocLeaf]

From memory Thai weed was infact the weed that most people were trying to avoid smoking in the UK during the early 1990's. Invariably it was lowgrade,, compressed,, with small seeds ,,and shells,, that made smoking the stuff unbearable.

Occasionally blocks would come in that contained fewer seeds and overall better quality flowers from the same source,, sometimes on sticks.. which usually cost more on the oz.

The weed grown from the seed varied in colour from sandy brown to mossy green. Most of the leaf were long with plenty of fingers, and serrated (gator tail) edges. The long flowering time and size of the plants meant that it was often impossible to fully flower them outdoors without heavy super cropping. We'd chop them in-half at the onset of flowering and bring them into a glasshouse to keep them warm into winter.

Many of the plants grown from Thai origin were hermaphrodites... so we moved onto Colombian and rarer to find Jamaican genetics sourced pon brethrens on the frontline.

The patterns of importation into the UK during that period had close links with the "Rave" scene that was then a happening!

peace out DocLeaf

Anybody ever tell ya about da ragga muffin business n ting... http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...521&q=dub+war&ei=yekISJ25GY32iQLD-7WdAQ&hl=en

 

[DocLeaf]

The current status (in EU) is patchy. We've seen and smoked samples only a few months ago that were of supposedly of "Thai origin" and it turned out to be African grass ,, tied onto a stick (not on a sliver of bamboo as we've always seen before)? Looked and tasted like a fraud.

No doubt there is still real Thai floating about.

Coffeeshops: Katsu (2007), Stones (c.2006), and Willie Wortels Sativa (c.2005), all carried Thai, Super Thai, or Thaistick on their menus...

see last photo : http://www.hempcity.net/cannabisshops/sativa/humungousmenujuly2005/index.html

peace

 

[EddieShoestring]

we discussed this weed before-i thought that it maybe African when i first smoked it-but that was before i'd seen Elevator mans pics-you don't get tigers in Africa do you? Or am i being naive?
Some great info -thanks guys-i'm encouraged to pop the few seeds i saved

eddie

 

[Guest]

Not an obvious Dutch hybrid like others post on a regular basis.

If that's a crack at the folks growing out the seeds from the Thai sticks Elevator Man posted pics of, then it's quite frankly, ludicrous, the plants from these seeds may not be Thai, may not be Asian, but are definitely an extreme tropical sativa of some kind and while we may not know what they are exactly, one thing we can say with absolute certainty is that they are NOT a Dutch hybrid.

Hempy, to say that it's hard to smuggle weed out through China is also ludicrous, not making a personal comment against you in any way, but please bear in mind that the Chuinese snakehead gangs have been smuggling people into the UK in vast numbers for the last few years, even in the remotest parts of the UK like where I live there have been gangs of Chinese labourers, there were hundreds of them here picking cockles off the beach, every single one of them an illegal smuggled in, and even here in he arse end of nowhere they have busted Chinese grow houses run by illegal immigrants. 90% of the stolen cars in some UK cities end up in China, so if they can smuggle in thousands of people and smuggle out hundreds of luxury cars then a few hundred kilos of Thai sticks is small fry for them. Hell, they could smuggle them in one at a time rammed up the arses of the cockle pickers and still get hundreds of em into the UK every year.

I can tell you that it is a piece of piss to smuggle in consignments of weed in shipping containers, I had a friend who ran a business selling hand made furniture from the far east and he would travel there 2-3 times a year to make purchases, he would then have the furniture shipped back to the UK in shipping containers. Every container had a few kilos of cannabis, either hash or grass, and he did this for 15 years till he died two years ago. How many containers of his were busted by customs? Zero out of more than a hundred in 15 years!

Do you think the SE Asian/Chinese criminal gangs only trade in Asian drugs? Nope, they also deal in hashish from various places and weed from Africa too, plenty of African weed and Middle Eastern, Asian and African hash is dealt in by these gangs, I saw every shipment my friend received in the last 9 years he was in business and we got everything from hand rubbed central Asian/Himalayan hash to black/brown central African grass, saw lots and lots of different dry sift hashes, we could only speculate on their origins but there were definitely many batches from Morocco and Lebanon, I still remember a particularly dark, reddish, spicy flat pressed hash that we were sure was Lebanese, it was fantastic, and it came from SE Asia in a shipping container. Once or twice my friend had to ring a contact in Asia and ask where the hell thay had hidden the stuff as we couldn't find it. I've chiselled open all kinds of wooden items to recover bricks of weed, we even had to melt down some candles in the form of large golden buddhas once cos they had 500g balls of hash inside.

The big criminal gangs, whether Russian, Armenian, Turkish, Ukranian, Chinese, etc. are global these days, they have big international organisations and chances are, if you've bought imported weed or hash in Europe in the last few years, it will have been trafficked by one of the big gangs. The days of Howard Marks are long gone and today it's big international crime gangs that run the trade. Howard wouldn't last 2 minutes these days, he'd just be murdered by one of the gangs.

 

[Guest]

If that's a crack at the folks growing out the seeds from the Thai sticks Elevator Man posted pics of, then it's quite frankly, ludicrous, the plants from these seeds may not be Thai, may not be Asian, but are definitely an extreme tropical sativa of some kind and while we may not know what they are exactly, one thing we can say with absolute certainty is that they are NOT a Dutch hybrid.
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I dont even know who Elevator Man is, so please dont pretend like you're going to set me straight. Because I can assure you, that you're not. What kind of person, ASSUMES he knows what Im talking about then perceeds to lecture me on the imaginary topic he thought up?

Thats pretty fucking sad dude.

 

[Guest]

You really are an offensive little turd aren't you?

Only one sentence of that post concerns you and I stand by what I said, the rest was about trafficking, but of course, in your usual self-important, obnoxious way, you have to try and make this about you, well it's not, so go away and leave the adults to discuss Thai varieties and related topics sensibly, your hatred and negativity is an absolute disgrace and just because this is an online forum rather than the real world, your behaviour is no more acceptable than it would be in a bar or restaurant, arrogance and aggression are not nice traits and you display them both like you're proud to be an asshole!

 

[afghanica]

You really are an offensive little turd aren't you?

Only one sentence of that post concerns you and I stand by what I said, the rest was about trafficking, but of course, in your usual self-important, obnoxious way, you have to try and make this about you, well it's not, so go away and leave the adults to discuss Thai varieties and related topics sensibly, your hatred and negativity is an absolute disgrace and just because this is an online forum rather than the real world, your behaviour is no more acceptable than it would be in a bar or restaurant, arrogance and aggression are not nice traits and you display them both like you're proud to be an asshole!

I'll second that.

 

[strained]

third. cant we all get along

 

[Bubble Puppy]

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presently enjoying an official status as being opium-free.

But its still being smoked their.I has the pleasure of taking a quiet early morning walk around 7:30 am ,in a buisniess district in downtown Bangkok ,and had a huge cloud of smoke blown in my direction as walked past some small shops,by some old guy opening his store .I should have stopped ..