So you wanna be a commercial grower?

[British_Bulldog]

Re: "secrecy"

I'd like to interject at this stage and say that there's nothing here that wasn't talked about on OG: nothing ever happened to anyone on there for what they posted, and LEO could have got all their education on Weedbase and OG years ago.

Also, this "code of silence"/"No.1 rule" that's been mentioned exists in the real world, of course, but online this is our place to talk about what goes on behind the scenes.


Peace

 

[Mr Celsius]

Sorry I didn't read pages 4 and 5, I'll read it later, but I want to make a point.

If you're going commercial, then you're trying to make money. We agree?

If you looked at the amount of space that you grow in and then think about that outside you can see that you can simply move it to a no overhead situation.

Example: I could have a 20x20 garage with a flip flop and a total of about 15x15 in canopy.

Now, I have a mother room in my house (doesn't need much space, read the bonsai mom in my sig) and I take 5000 cuttings, then stick them in a 60x60 space right about august. Now were looking at the same yield, if not more, in less time and work. If you put 6" clones outdoors at the right time and did a high density SOG, they would only get about 12"-18" in height and would not attract a lot of attention.

Another example: I breed autoflowers and love them... I wonder why? They get 12"-18" and I can have 3 harvests a year. I can skip the august-october if I want to avoid the heat.

Indoor ops cost a lot of money (same you could buy a house for), are in reality higher risk (risk over time) and have many variables that are prone to failure (power outages, monoculture pest problems, humidity and temp buildup, ect).

If you want to work your way up, get as many clones as possible and put them out in august for a "mini" run. If you own acreage, bless ya, because you could be really rich.

 

[green_tea]

hes not paranoid, if you know enough about the way the Internet works etc, you could easily find out info without ever having to get access to teh machine.

Every packet you send has a destination, depending on the OSI layer were talking about here, the destination can vary from the next router in the hop, or the actual destination IP/MAC address.

Then its a simple process of running through Terabytes of logs of all your packets header information.

I mean the tech is there, and assuming that the government has access to tech thats probably 25% better than the fastest supercomputers out there, and were talking about being able to process a Terabyte of data in maybe oh 1 second? (assuming your data is already selected etc etc, filtering through the data to retrieve all your packets that are sent / recieved would take a lot longer)

There was a recent article about the FBI tapping over 100,000 US citizens, listening into cell phone calls, SMS, internet surfing, IMing, e-mail etc etc.. (think Carnivore from swordfish) Yeah well its out there, and guess whos network the papers that were released said they were on? Verizon....

fuck im using verizon fios!

 

[Mr Celsius]

Do you honestly think you're (anybody here) cool enough to be watched? If you do, then you should probably stop visiting.

There are many fish in the sea to fry and I'm just a small fry.

 

[hamstring]

First off thanks for the thread British Bulldog it’s been a great read so far.

OFF TOPIC

I hang out in the security thread and have been on the paranoid side many times. I am one who thinks that most of the god given rights (speaking only what I know which is the US) has long been taken away. If they want you they will make an up a web of lies to cover all their illegal tracks.

Back on Topic.

I have to agree with British Bulldog here and say that OG had over 100,000 people and every topic in the world was discussed over and over and over. I absolutely love IC mag but it cannot compare to the info exchange OG was. It did not go down by any sort of covert operation regarding members growing. We are not talking Interpol here. If this kind of discussion were so dangerous it would have been stopped long ago.

And to you jackhammer I say this.

“Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Benjamin Franklin

And if you go bad mouthing my boy Ben those are fighting words.

 

[accessndx]

Funk, just curious how I fall under #4? My whole op is for one reason or do you think I can smoke 5 pounds every 3 weeks? LOL
I dont even smoke

I dunno, that seems like a rather conservative amount of pot to smoke. I'm trying to cut down from my 1 pound a day habit.

 

[accessndx]

i for one dont understand the few who decide not to interact with the neighbors.
how wierd is that?
what do you do when they look at you?
just ignore them?
seames rude and wierd.
dosent mean you need to get to know them all.

I guess it also depends on WHERE you live. Not for nothing: some parts of the country people are kinda "down-home" good ol' boys. You can hang round and talk moonshine and corn with them. In the cities where life is a rat-race....or anywhere in the northeastern United States...people look at you like you have 12 heads if you say "hello". So it's not unheard of "not to interact with neighbors". I'm no douchebag, but I simply don't see my neighbors...don't notice them coming or going....and invariably never speak to them. I'm sure if I bumped into one of them at a supermarket I'd be civil and say "howdy", but as far as bar-b-ques and tupperware parties...they can keep that to themselves. This is unrelated to growing. Hell, where my home is...I don't even grow. But sure as hell where I do...I don't fraternize with the neighbors in the aforementioned ways. I'm busy, and that doesn't have anything to do with me being "sketched" out, or actively avoiding neighbors. Just don't have time for that jazz...or honestly would rather be hanging with my friends. Rude and weird is the status quo in my part of the world. If you try to go out of your way to be nice, people think you're Norman Bates or Jason Vorhees ready to stab them in the shower. When in Rome....

 

[accessndx]

Hey Jackhammer. It's nice to see the cops here are "free thinking conservatives". I especially like the Thomas Jeffeson quote (wasn't he a slave-owner?) about liberty, and your "Don't Tread on Me" avatar....representing the old US motto.
I suggest you immediately execute the: il codice di silenzio.

P.S.-Neat font. Looks like I'm reading one of those info-merical pages on the net trying to sell me something I don't need or want. Do you think you could bust off some more underlines or bold? I never get enough of that. Say Hi to Leo for everyone. Kisses. Thanks for quoting an archaic slave driver, says volumes about you.

Footnote & reference:Jefferson owned many slaves over his lifetime. Some find it baffling that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves yet was outspoken in saying that slavery was immoral and it should be abolished. Biographers point out that Jefferson was deep in debt and had encumbered his slaves by notes and mortgages; he chose not to free them until he finally was debt-free, which he never was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson#Jefferson_and_slavery

 

[British_Bulldog]

I guess it also depends on WHERE you live. Not for nothing: some parts of the country people are kinda "down-home" good ol' boys. You can hang round and talk moonshine and corn with them. In the cities where life is a rat-race....or anywhere in the northeastern United States...people look at you like you have 12 heads if you say "hello". So it's not unheard of "not to interact with neighbors". I'm no douchebag, but I simply don't see my neighbors...don't notice them coming or going....and invariably never speak to them. I'm sure if I bumped into one of them at a supermarket I'd be civil and say "howdy", but as far as bar-b-ques and tupperware parties...they can keep that to themselves. This is unrelated to growing. Hell, where my home is...I don't even grow. But sure as hell where I do...I don't fraternize with the neighbors in the aforementioned ways. I'm busy, and that doesn't have anything to do with me being "sketched" out, or actively avoiding neighbors. Just don't have time for that jazz...or honestly would rather be hanging with my friends. Rude and weird is the status quo in my part of the world. If you try to go out of your way to be nice, people think you're Norman Bates or Jason Vorhees ready to stab them in the shower. When in Rome....

Regarding neighbours, it is indeed important to 'act like the locals', and if that means being friendly or keeping a distance, as a commercial grower you want to blend in as best as possible.

However, even if your area is very friendly and warm, it's important to maintain a little bit of distance, otherwise they'll want to come around your growhouse for a dinner party, lol, and somehow I don't think they'd appreciate an indoor jungle as much as we do, haha


Let's keep in on track and make this thread a one stop shop for curious minds


Peace

 

[cway]

First off: if you're on this forum and you ain't already a commercial grower...forget about it. Commercial growers don't learn shit on forums. Whether you like it or not, commercial growing is organized crime and organized crime works on the apprentice system; someone brings you in and shows you the ropes, or else you're cutting somebody else's grass and you shit as hell ain't want to be doing that.

It's simple: If you don't move in those circles, then don't make them moves.

Sooner or later someone's gonna yank your chain, and whether you bite or piss depends on what breed of dog you is (and that ain't the time to be finding out).

I love the way you put that Brother. So True.. In Mexico where I am from they have ranches with 6 foot holes for folks that mow anothers mans lawns.
Maybe not if your only doing 10Kw or so ( Still alot of weed ) but anywhere near 25Kw, and if your product is good, then you better believe folks are going to look for where it is coming from..Your not putting millions of $ worth of good pot on the streets and no one notice.. Youll get away with it if you pay a street tax though.. Intersting thread.. Id much rather stick to my small grows and sleep good at night..

 

[Mr.Pyrex]

now that we've had the indoor postives and negatives on commercial growing, lets hear about some outdoor commercial growing!

 

[hamstring]

Yeah boy----Mr Pyrex
I second that!!!! As an outdoor grower I welcome any info on this topic

 

[indicapimp]

now that we've had the indoor postives and negatives on commercial growing, lets hear about some outdoor commercial growing!

Have you read the "Outdoor Massive Grow" thread that has been going for like 96 pages???? By Julian? I disagree, I think this should be indoor and much further discussed. just my 2 cents minus 2

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Cool thread. Nice supplement to MASSIVE INDOOR COMMERCIAL GROW thread.

First, I definitely agree about avoiding strange pussy. I betcha Craigslist will have some good looking local whores (escorts) on there for a few hundred bucks if you need to bust a nut once in awhile. The first, and only time I had strange pussy at my place (with concealed op in full bloom) I was so nervous I couldnt get horny enough to even try to fuck her. Won't bother with that again. Women and big grows do NOT mix!

Im finding that the toughest part, and this may come to shock to some, is finding reliable and trustworthy clientele. It's not like you can go around offering big ass bags of buds to random people until you find someone that can move pounds. This business can be very fleeting and unpredictable. A guy that will take 3 pounds off you one crop may totally disappear next harvest and you are back at square one looking for a new big buyer. Growing the plants is easy...moving the end product safely and reliably is much harder. I won't even get into the shady side of it. Getting jacked on a deal once will change your outlook on things a whole bunch and make you hate humanity just a little more.

I hope this thread keeps going. Lots to be shared and learned.
(PS - hey jackhammer, I think admin blocked your posts )

 

[jackhammer]

Hey Jackhammer. It's nice to see the cops here are "free thinking conservatives". I especially like the Thomas Jeffeson quote (wasn't he a slave-owner?) about liberty, and your "Don't Tread on Me" avatar....representing the old US motto.
I suggest you immediately execute the: il codice di silenzio.

P.S.-Neat font. Looks like I'm reading one of those info-merical pages on the net trying to sell me something I don't need or want. Do you think you could bust off some more underlines or bold? I never get enough of that. Say Hi to Leo for everyone. Kisses. Thanks for quoting an archaic slave driver, says volumes about you.

Footnote & reference:Jefferson owned many slaves over his lifetime. Some find it baffling that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves yet was outspoken in saying that slavery was immoral and it should be abolished. Biographers point out that Jefferson was deep in debt and had encumbered his slaves by notes and mortgages; he chose not to free them until he finally was debt-free, which he never was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson#Jefferson_and_slavery

Look accessndx…think what you want. I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with you. It’s business Dude. Don’t take things on this thread personal. And please don’t let what I write take away from your post and the info that you can provide. I think you are so right when you said…


”I guess it also depends on WHERE you live & people look at you like you have 12 heads if you say "hello". So it's not unheard of "not to interact with neighbors".

It’s here in the Desert Southwest too. Nod and wave to those who do it first. And keep to your own business if everyone else is doing the same. So personal attack aside. You are right.
BTW...If it wasn't for T.J. and the rest of the founding fathers you wouldn't have the right to be an ignorant fuck. Most of the founders were wealthy before they declaired independence and most died pennyless. What was T.J. supposed to do when he was broke? Throw the slaves out on the street? No...they were a part of the family and he took care of them like family. And you left out that he fucked his slaves too and had children as long as your talking trash.Now piss off!


Bulldog you are right about blending in.
I have this friend who set up a service company and ran the "office" out of his house. He’s a plumber who does commercial repair. Going out at different hours for a service call is normal for him and he’s in and out of the house all the time. Plumbing truck, uniform, the works. He never lives at the “office” but he really doesn’t do plumbing any more either. All the neighbors however, think that he lives there, and he even does repairs for them from time to time. I can’t tell you how blind people become after you do some repairs for them at no charge while telling them how much it would have cost someone who wasn’t a “good” neighbor as he puts it. He is a really good schmoozer. The point of blending in can never be overstated but I think camouflage could be added to this discussion.

Having deliveries of "parts" is normal at the office, as long as they don't have hydro supplier logo on it. Hell...He's even had the nice old lady next door sign for a delivery of a new grow light. I just about shit when he showed me the receipt. It's legal to run a business out of the house here but even if it wasn't I guarantee none of the neighbors are going to complain.

My friend doesn’t have a logo or anything on the side of the box truck (and yes he bought it just for the occasion) but when he talks to the neighbors he has a uniform on with his name “Bob” on it. Looking like a plumber doesn’t hurt either. He delivers in boxes that he had a toilet or garbage disposal in, depending on the size of the "job" and it looks like the plumber is doing work at the house. Slick. He even takes tools in first and hangs out for a few before he brings in the "parts" LOL
The best part is that he can funnel money right into the business right down to providing an invoice with a job name, address ect. Yeah…if someone were to call one of the places on his invoices he might be screwed but there is no way anyone is going to look at him. Shit…he even pays taxes on it LOL!!!

 

[bobblehead]

I have to agree with a lot of the posts here. Commercial growing is not learned on these forums. Plant care, and proper growing technique are however. The selling is strictly business, and there's no advertising allowed. The business end is way different from the growing end. If you have the capacity and resources to take it to a commercial level, then you will hopefully have the resources to watch your back too. It's not easy, that's for damn sure. I'm very small time, and I just had a "distributor" break in my car to steal a lousy half ounce. I mean really! I'm more pissed about the repairs than anything else. I can only imagine the horrible things big commercial growers put up with.

Trust no one.

 

[cway]

Just thought I would add a couple more things..

I have known of one very good friend that pulled this off for years, hes now a reborn christian and stopped and lives in mexico.. Heres how..

Have a cash businesses and invest your cash,, Catering, Laundry Mat, Small Restaurant, Auto Repair Shop, anything that deals in cash transaction.. work their and run a legit business..Cash can be invested in real estate, buy and flip old homes or commercial properties whatever, pay cash for the improvements, and sell the property.. Viola.. Clean Cash..

If you move in the right circles and have done the time then you will have one buyer that you can trust.. If you done the time then when and if he gets popped you prob have another two solid hookups. At one time he was moving 100lbs of the Bombest Sinsimella in this part of Texas every 6 wks.. at about 5K a lb.. do the math.. This is the hardest part and gets most people popped.. When you get desperate to get rid of your product you get caught slippin..

And like Charles said one day some one will come yanking your chain... If you think they wont keep doing what you do but don't be the kind of breed that pisses...


A generator is a must, plenty good ones at decent prices.. He ran this for about one year and would stop, chill out for about two years and do it again.. ran it about three times, cashed out, bounced to Mexico..


Have a plan.. You cant be drug dealer forever.. THis dude always looked stressed and was 36 at the time but looked like 50.. lol.. So make sure that you know what your getting into.. If you are anywhere close the US MeXico border I would tell you to walk on egg shells.. Cartels in those areas dont play.. Dont believe me just do a google search..

I would rather live my everyday average joe life making a decent living than live in constant fear like that dude.. Maybe if I didnt have any kids it would be tempting but not worth it IMHO..

 

[British_Bulldog]

Great info people.....keep it coming

And wow, nearly 4200 hits in 4 days!......I never imagined this thread to be so popular, and thanks again to everyone for their input

It started out as a thread to help people make a decision from going from a personal grower to a commercial supplier, but has evolved into something much more, so let's keep it on track and make it really comprehensive

 

[hamstring]

cway
Great info on having a plan because commercial dealing is not a career. I totally agree with you here.

Itsgrowtime
I have never been in the position to be a commercial grower but from where I am standing I agree with you one hundred percent.

I have dealt with a couple of guys and when you start wanting to get rid of 1/2 and 1 lbs everything changes. Finding the right guy is not easy. The two people I knew handled quantities in their lifetime and have the stories to prove it but that does not mean they are doing that kind of business now. In most cases the remark about "you cant be a commercial grower/distributor forever “ comes into play. They did their tour of duty and now they are "lunch money" dealers.

 

[cway]

cway
Great info on having a plan because commercial dealing is not a career. I totally agree with you here.

Itsgrowtime
I have never been in the position to be a commercial grower but from where I am standing I agree with you one hundred percent.

I have dealt with a couple of guys and when you start wanting to get rid of 1/2 and 1 lbs everything changes. Finding the right guy is not easy. The two people I knew handled quantities in their lifetime and have the stories to prove it but that does not mean they are doing that kind of business now. In most cases the remark about "you cant be a commercial grower/distributor forever “ comes into play. They did their tour of duty and now they are "lunch money" dealers.

Hello Hamstring

Usually the ones that have a plan and make bank, and bounce, have the highest success rate IMHO.. Being born in a Border town in Texas I have alot of family ( prob at least 6 or 7 relatives ) that were drug traffickers at some time..back in the 70s and 80s if you were Mexican living in a US town that borders mexico you didnt have alot of employment choices.. My dad included.. He did some time and got out and this is why he stopped.. But my unlces, 3 are locked up.. For a long time.. They were career drug dealers..no plan, no ambitions, just like that lifestyle. I have a other relative that made it big though.. Self made millionare.. Invested his money in business and now has been legit for over 5 years.. not to say that lifestyle hasnt taken a toll on him.. He was actually abducted by someone about 5 years ago and taken for ransom.. gone for about 3 months and my family had to come up with 150g's to get him back safe.. As you can imagine this was a nightmare.. I have never exp something like that in my life.. we think that it was a cartel cause he was not paying his street tax.. This kind of stuf is all to common in border towns.. Im sure if anyone is reading this and they live anywhere near Tijuana, Juarez, Laredo, Mexicali to just to name a few knows what I mean.. my family is not connected like that..he was just a independant guy transporting dope.. So you see real commercial dope dealing is no joke.. when you play around with that much cash people find out and get jealous, envious, or just want their cut.. I have also had 2 distant cousins that lived in Mexico DF, they were kidnapped about 7 years ago and never found.. their father as you can imagine is a drug trafficker.. sad stuff man.. Ive seen enough with my family to keep me from doing the same..

Point is have plan, make some cash, save your change, and get out..