EasyBakeIndica
Member
Here's something I pulled from 3.5 grams of immature buds, last night...
Immature Buds:
Great Medicine:
Potent Stuff:
"this idiot doesn't realize that there is some kief on the coffee filter, WITH NO HEADS."
It's fine if you want to throw away trichomes. But don't act like you have any proof that the heads fully dissolve. You have no scientific ground to stand on. None of you have done the research necessary to prove the efficiency of your own processes. There's plenty wasted and you're slowly being forced to admit that.
I'm only here to point out a MAJOR bottleneck in your process.
You're welcome.
Immature Buds:
Great Medicine:
Potent Stuff:
"this idiot doesn't realize that there is some kief on the coffee filter, WITH NO HEADS."
It's fine if you want to throw away trichomes. But don't act like you have any proof that the heads fully dissolve. You have no scientific ground to stand on. None of you have done the research necessary to prove the efficiency of your own processes. There's plenty wasted and you're slowly being forced to admit that.
I'm only here to point out a MAJOR bottleneck in your process.
You're welcome.
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Let us see your science then EBI! Show some "science" prooving that that you're showing are in fact trichome heads full of potent resin. And no, saying "I get high as a kite on it" isn't acceptable "science".
Shmike is right on the spot! Have you looked at it under a microscope like Shmike sugested? Do it, please!
A solution is one thing, a suspension is another:
Solution: is a homogeneous mixture composed of two or more substances. In such a mixture, a solute is dissolved in another substance, known as a solvent. (it won't separate and sediment if left to settle, you can see that in your filtered (with cofee filter) ISO+oil)
Suspension: is a heterogenous fluid containing solid particles that are sufficiently large for sedimentation.
What you have here is both things. A solution: THC, other cannabinoids and other oils are the solutes (and yes some contaminants too, like clorophil, sugars, etc.), isopropyl alcool is the solvent. And a suspension: stamin hair, plant matter, dust and other particles are the internal phase (the solid particles that have low solubility in ISO), and the oils+ISO solution is the external fase (the fluid).
When you evaporate the last ISO like you have in your picture I post here you are actually concentrating some of the oil in the solution onto your solid particles so the resulting kief-like powder you get does have some oil in it that will easily evap and purge off the ISO because it is airy and loose. So you are getting some well purged oil mixed with stamin hair, plant matter and dust that might be tasty (to you, to each his own) and fairly potent but not nearly as concentrated or potent (per weight) as well done, well purged qwiso oil.
As said before, if you use a too small amount of ISO to too much weed you will saturate the ISO that will leave some trichs undissolved that might loosen and stay suspended and you might get a better yield of your golden dust.
THC and other oils won't dissolve as much in low temps so if you use freezing cold ISO you will have more undissolved trichomes that might loosen and stay suspended and you might get a better yield of your golden dust.
Last but not least, so many people are here telling you that you are wrong, not to defend their own technique or to make you change and smoke what we consider good oil. You choose too smoke whatever you like, I don't have a problem with that. But when you induce others in error when clearly you don't know what you're talking about , then we all have a problem as you are perpetuating false information. Sorry, it is not my intention to bash you, it is just my opinion.
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Shmike said:
Shmike is right on the spot! Have you looked at it under a microscope like Shmike sugested? Do it, please!
EasyBakeIndica said:
A solution is one thing, a suspension is another:
Solution: is a homogeneous mixture composed of two or more substances. In such a mixture, a solute is dissolved in another substance, known as a solvent. (it won't separate and sediment if left to settle, you can see that in your filtered (with cofee filter) ISO+oil)
Suspension: is a heterogenous fluid containing solid particles that are sufficiently large for sedimentation.
What you have here is both things. A solution: THC, other cannabinoids and other oils are the solutes (and yes some contaminants too, like clorophil, sugars, etc.), isopropyl alcool is the solvent. And a suspension: stamin hair, plant matter, dust and other particles are the internal phase (the solid particles that have low solubility in ISO), and the oils+ISO solution is the external fase (the fluid).
When you evaporate the last ISO like you have in your picture I post here you are actually concentrating some of the oil in the solution onto your solid particles so the resulting kief-like powder you get does have some oil in it that will easily evap and purge off the ISO because it is airy and loose. So you are getting some well purged oil mixed with stamin hair, plant matter and dust that might be tasty (to you, to each his own) and fairly potent but not nearly as concentrated or potent (per weight) as well done, well purged qwiso oil.
As said before, if you use a too small amount of ISO to too much weed you will saturate the ISO that will leave some trichs undissolved that might loosen and stay suspended and you might get a better yield of your golden dust.
THC and other oils won't dissolve as much in low temps so if you use freezing cold ISO you will have more undissolved trichomes that might loosen and stay suspended and you might get a better yield of your golden dust.
Last but not least, so many people are here telling you that you are wrong, not to defend their own technique or to make you change and smoke what we consider good oil. You choose too smoke whatever you like, I don't have a problem with that. But when you induce others in error when clearly you don't know what you're talking about , then we all have a problem as you are perpetuating false information. Sorry, it is not my intention to bash you, it is just my opinion.
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deekan
Member
dozer said:
Well put!
EBI we don't doubt you are getting high, and I think it is "smoother" because it contains less oil.
just my 2 cents, I am neither a scientist nor solvent expert but I have used the method described my Schmike as well as Ninja's QWISO method from OG and TokeCity to great success and many a high-times.
Also I was under the impression that letting the weed soak in the ISO is detrimental to the quality of the final product(hence quick wash)?
EasyBakeIndica
Member
dozer said:
MmmmK...Just keep trying to convince somebody they're not getting high. Lol. I've seen this tactic used to upsell weed, but never to downgrade it.
I have a problem with what you are perpetuating as false information.
I will gladly submit my stuff for proper analyzation.
I have looked at this under a microscope. Do you honestly think that stuff isn't psychoactive? Why don't you take a look at the bud under an microscope What other parts of the plant concentrate to that color? The fact that you think every trichome should be "whole" is just hilarious.
Too many people have all ready admitted that there are psycoactive compounds left behind in that filter.
No person, who has taken a giant rip from my stuff, has needed another hit for a while.
I'll have another thread started soon enough, with the entire process detailed and photo-documented, so hopefully I can explain this better.
There have been some very decent arguments made against the purity of my product. However, when you try to say that stuff includes no THC, you are wrong. I've seen too much empirical evidence, which proves otherwise.
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bowlgrinder
someone please fucking PLEASE tell me how to delete a thread or would one of you start a new one i just cant see this argument providing anything positive at all
besides its honestly like all verses that one kid so odd are hes wrong so i see no need to prove it beyond what already has been provided as evidence
besides its honestly like all verses that one kid so odd are hes wrong so i see no need to prove it beyond what already has been provided as evidence
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report it to a mod and have them clean the thread up
EasyBakeIndica
Member
dozer said:
I've been confused with that statement, so I'll try to clarify.
There was no evaporation. Everything was kept very cool. I poured off all of the alcohol, and just left that pile to dry (purge) in the bowl.
This picture was meant to illustrate the process of pouring off. You can actually get most of the alcohol out of there, without evaporating any of it. You're left with a pile of wet brown 'mud' that will dry into golden powder.
All of the alcohol was saved separately and reheated, then filtered through activated carbon. Only then do I actually let the alcohol evaporate (full purge). I'll post pictures of that oil in a new thread...
Hope that helps.
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bowlgrinder
thanks for making you're own thread it will serve you better anyway
also if this guys method turns out to be the real one i say he should get a medal or something
also if this guys method turns out to be the real one i say he should get a medal or something
wow seems like a lot of wasted energy with all this arguing. i learned how to make iso from this forum about a year ago and have made many ounces since using scmike method i normally get 2 grades and both a far better than trying to smoke the shake they came from. thyanks for all the sound advice chief and schmike and others. it has saved me plenty of dough as a medical user on a fixed income. sometimes my top grade comes out black and sticky but i tend to make very large batches instead of many small ones were i just get the glassy golden slivers its all good though.
EasyBakeIndica
Member
Daemon said:
How much iso is needed to fully dissolve the trichomes? I haven't seen a specific ratio listed on any of the how-to threads.
How much IPA will I need for each gram of pot? (And how do you know how much THC is in this pot?)
Daemon said:
At most, you can argue that the trichome heads burst from the solvent wash. I will agree with that. People keep saying that the trichomes are dissolved, yet the stalks are left behind. The trichome 'stalk' is still considered part of the 'trichome'.
My argument is that the stalks do contain psychedelic compounds.
I have Bubblehash, oil, and dry-sieve hash to chose from. I still smoke this 'stuff'. Every form of Cannibinoid concentration offers a different stone. Either accept that it's not your cup of tea, or do some legwork and prove me wrong.
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bowlgrinder
he made his own thread about this. this is the wrong one to bring back up
anyway if someone would just take some fmcd wich is just tricrome heads (correct?) and drop it in iso see if it settles or bursts
argument solved with science
anyway if someone would just take some fmcd wich is just tricrome heads (correct?) and drop it in iso see if it settles or bursts
argument solved with science
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Hazelnuts
Member
I agree with bowlgrinder, all you guys have a microscope, just drop a little bit of water hash in some 99%iso alcohol and see what happens to those trichs. Also your "golden, dank etc" stuff looks like sand to me, and that one pic you posted at the end looks like dry sieve to me. I'm no expert when it comes to hash though
