Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[marijuanamat]

Heres a quick update and a few pics of my 2 of my luang prabang lao's sativa's the first was put into flower in november(didn't think it was that long ago) so that 1's been flowering for a good 4 months and still has a bit to go to,she's got a lemony/limey smell to her at the mo with very loose running small calyxes(i'm hopeing thay'll swell a bit more) and lots of small clear trichomes all over the place.









And heres the other that's been in about 3 weeks






And heres a few michoacan sativa's that have been in bloom for 4-5 weeks

 

[spider]

Londinium, south Wales, but probably came via London aye?... you missed out there me ol cockney china! lol

 

[Guest]

Nice plants mat, those Michoacans looks quite similar to my El Yucateca Mexican sativa.

 

[charlie garcia]

nice work Marijuanamat! We had some Laos here last years from some local travellers as well abut havent got much resports. Hope yours is good.

Same goes for Michoacan, there are well knwon landraces there like the Verde Limon (thin leaves and broader leaves ones) Much being grown in Mex nowdays sadly is from lots of cuts and seeds from US and western lines. A good friend in central mex tells me he is bored of same Chronich LOL I guess still in some small villages in the sierras you can pick some old stuff but is not easy. From your pictures they look like interesting phenotypes

best

 

[Guest]

I know you can't tell from these bad pics, but this is the lovely Mexican sxativa I have from seed I collected in Cancun in 20505 that I think looks similar to Matt's Michoacans. I have no idea whether this is a proper Mexican sativa or a hybrid or what, but it's a 14 week strain indoors under lights, produces very big buds and has an extraordinary sppedy, racing, heart-pounding clear high, I've joked about calling her El Amphetamina as she is so energising and speedy the effect is closer to amphetamines than an indica stone. The taste is like mentholated spearmint.

Maybe I have a rare sativa gem or maybe I have a hybrid, I really don't know and that is secondary to the quality imho. It would be nice to know her true ancestry but they will forever remain a mystery.

 

[Herbalistic]

Wow marijuanamat Very good job growing them

And btw, im finally about to flower your OH x MG, most likely she is induced into flowering at the end of the week!

British: Your African trip sounds like a very good plan Taking note of your exploring nature im sure you will end up with several kilos of seeds, only problem is how to get them back into UK.. Maybe posting some of them before leaving, so if they get revealed at airport, you could always open letter full of seeds when you go back to home :wink:

Btw, are those pics of the Mexican the same we were talking viá PM? If so = I cannot wait

Here´s some pics of a cross I made last summer using Neville´s Haze as a mum and sturdy Purps male as a stud! I only "harvested" 7 ripe seeds, so I popped only two, both came up over night and allready have some little purpling in them I hope this results into "PurpleHaze" which was my purpose with better yield than NH when I made this cross..








Nice to see you at here Farmer John How´s your Haze projects doing btw?

 

[Guest]

Hiya Herbalistic, yup, that's the same Mexican we spoke about. It's a sad tale really, I had about 50 seeds from brick weed I bought in Cancun. This was brown, heavily seeded and lopts of stems and stalks, I cleaned the weed of the seeds (mostly white and immature) and stems and that was more than half of the mass gone. I remember like yesterday sitting looking at this small pile of dark green/brown dry, dusty crap on a sheet of newspaper on my hotel bed in disgust thinking 'what shit is this'. 15 minutes later as i stood on the blacony smoking my first joint of it I suddenly realised i was incredibly high and a clear, distinct, unusual high itwas too, lots of auditory hallucinations and I had one of the wildest nights of my life due to that weed.

Only 500 of the hundreds of seeds in it were uncrushable and made it home with me. I tried germing half of them as soon as I got home and only one germed, it looked like an indica and although a very nice plant, it turned out to be male so I reluctantly killed it as it's indica looks made me think it was just some commercial seed grown in Mexico.

18 months later I decided to try germing the other half of the seeds and to my surprise, four of them germed. The plants were all similar and in veg looked just like the male so I now realised I had a fairly unifrom line as all 5 plants had identical leaves and structure. Of the four, one was a full-blown hermie, and the other three were females.

The females only differed in the density and calyx to leaf ratio of their buds. In height, structure, stretch in flowering, size of floral formations, flowering time, smell, taste, they were all very similar. #1 was my keeper, she has huge lime green buds with rusty red coloured hairs and takes 14 weeks indoors. The buds are very dense and the taste is minty/menthol. #2 was exactly the same but the buds were more leafy and slight more chunky when dried, the taste was slightly less menthol and had a slight fruity edge rather than minty. #3 was the same as the other two except she produced very airy buds with calyxes in this strips, the colas were as large as #1 and #2 but the whole plant went in the hash pile due to the running strings of calyxes rather than proper buds.

#1 is truly one of the most extraordinary plants I have ever grown, it possesses quite incredible vigour from seed and as clones, the buds are huge and have indica density but a completely sativa high and that high has left several people speechless, it is unique among my experience of sativas, the immediate blast into orbit you feel is unusual to me, sativas usually take a little while to build up their effects, with this one you take a bong hit and bing, you are high, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, go straight to orbit and circle the planet as fast as you can, that's the best way to descrieb the high, you are immediately very high, a very clear and energising high and you race along, your brain speeding, smoking more only makes you higher and your velocity greater, you can get immensely wasted on this weed and I have seen it cause people heart palpitations, hot sweats and dizzy spells. I never realised weed could be such a stimulant. The taste of the freshly dried buds is menthol, some people find it lacking in taste and smell which lulls them into thinkign it won't be strong. After 4-6 weeks cure in the jar the taste becomes much stronger and takes on a spearmint edge, mentholated spearmint is the best description I can think of and I really like it, it's refreshing and fits perfectly with the nature of the effect.

The sad part is that I had a pure male 2 years ago and could have preserved this wonderful and unusual strain but I let him slip through my fingers and I will never be able to obtain another one! I have done an outcross to my Trainwreck male which is the closest in taste and effect of all the plant's I've grown recently so I hope to find a good Mexican leaning TW x Mexi male to backcross to the original clone. I've shared this cut with a few people in the Uk and it is soon to be travelling overseas. Lots of people have some of the TW x Mexi beans too so I've managed to preserve at least a part of the genetics.

Matt's Michoacan sativa looks broadly similar to me, so perhaps it would be a good choice to cross to my Mexican, certainy I prefer to cross it to another Mexican sativa than some comemrcial modern genes. I have a Thai male at the moment and I will lprobably cross him to my Mexican in the near future, the Mexican is very suitable for growing indoors under lights and has massive yield and a 14 week flower time so I expect crossing it to the Thai would produce some interesting plants. I also have a Jahwi's Joy sativa male from Ghana that has incredibly long, thin leaves for an imamture plant and patolunga tells me is a very potent and cerebral strain so i might make that cross too, I have no idea if these crosses will be good or not but I like to take the opportunity to make these hybrids of interesting P1s when I have the chance, I simply don't have the space to retain a number of males long term so while I have them I will make use of their pollen.

Hopefully we will see some TW x Mexican plants in this thread later this year, a couple of folks have promised to do test grows.

 

[Guest]

Forgot to mention, I'm chopping down my currently flowering clone of this Mexican in a week or so and it will have had a month's cure by the icmag cup in April. I will bring some with me so if anyone is coming to the cup and wants to sample, come grab me!

 

[marijuanamat]

Heres a few more pics of the mexican's buds at 4-5 weeks bloom,she's got some of the biggest calyxes of all the sativa's i've got,and she's as funky as thay come,a real deep rich skunky/hashy smell with sour tang.

 

[Guest]

I can see definite similarities by my 'Mexican' has fairly average sized calyxes, but they are unusually closely packed for a sativa she forms them in foxtails but the foxtails are fat and stubby rather than long and thin like many other sats I've grown. Mine dopesn't have much of a smell at all really, not that I can really discern against teh background odour of the Cheese hybrids, Hashplant and Black Dominas flowering alongside her. The finished buds don't have a strong smell at all either.

If it wasn't for the fact she has a purely in the head sativa 'up' effect I would think she was just acclimated comemrcial genes (which she may be) althoguh I'm not familiar enough with other Mexican strains to know if she looks all that Mexican.

 

[Ganico]

Yeah, a lot of mexi's often start off with fatter leaves and thin out as they age. Many pure sativa in effect though. Don't know say whether old school mexi's were like this or not though

 

[marijuanamat]

Yeah, a lot of mexi's often start off with fatter leaves and thin out as they age. Many pure sativa in effect though. Don't know say whether old school mexi's were like this or not though

Thats quite reasuring to know ,cos they have got the thickest leafs out of all my pure sativa's and the fattest calyxes.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, if you look at the pics of my male Mexican from seed he looked pretty indica until flowering.

 

[marijuanamat]

Thats exactly how mn were,up until flowering then they go thinner but not as thin as other sat's.

 

[Guest]

You talking Mexican weed folks!!

Well just KEEP LOOKING friends for i have found
some really great indicas from mexican brick weed!!!
Stayed short with thick assed trichomes massively covering
the buds and the high was a great mix indica/sativa powerhouse!
Use to call it BULLET BUD and as things sometims go,it all got stolen?
HAd a few seeds left and made another great cross with the males.....
BANANALOU!!!!!.....but thats another story im working on seeds folks!

 

[moe]

same for an unknown strain i grow in mountains
start really indica




then a little more sativa




then finish purple and red.black




but the smoke was more nepalese i think than mexican

 

[Guest]

Interesting plant Moe, what latitude? Did she mature properly?

I've heard lots of folks have grown indicas from Mexican brick in the last few years but in the 80s they only got sats from Mexi brick seeds. Just what a couple of folks said to me a while back.

My Mexican randomly shows some purpling on some calyxes, not many, just the odd few here and there, one cola has a patch of about 8 purple ones, and they aren't completely purple, just patches oof purple on a green calyx. It's not temperature causing it though and she did it both times I've flowered her, first run was at height of summer.

If it wasn't for the extraordinarily speedy high that is unmistakably that of a sativa, I would think my Mexican was something commercial, the huge colas with very dense buds and the strong, thick stems and quite broad leaves and the way she flowers great indoors, finishing in 14 weeks all suggest she has some mixed blood and my best guess is that she is some Mexican sativa line that has been grown outdoors and polluted by some indica or commercial hybrid genes at some point in the past, probably only a little touch of pollution, but enough to make a difference to the way she performs indoors. I've grown other Mexican and South American sativas before and there is little similarity apart from the nature of their effects. A couple of years ago I grew a Mexican/Cali IBL from an old timer in the hills inland of Big Sur and even after 24 weeks they didn't mature indoors, I imagine my Mexican is what happens when you hybridise one of those long flowering Mexican sats with an indica or hybrid.

It doesn't bother me at all that she is probably not pure blooded, what matters is that she is one of the very finest plants I have ever grown or smoked and one I will be keeping in my mother collection as long as I am able. In a way, I look at the pollution of here genes as a good thing as it has meant she is already perfectly suitable for growing indoors, she grows well in hydro too, I grew her in coco hand watered and other folks I've shared her with are growing her successfully in a hydro system (not sure if ebb n flow or DWC but I've heard they are rocking along and looking great with big long colas). This saves me the hard work of outcrossing and linebreeding in order to adapt her to indoor methods. I had a thai/Afghan strain a few years back and the best pheno was not the one that looked like a pure Thai, it was the 50/50 one as it had better yield, structure, bud density, resin production, yada yada yada...

Do you have a Michoacan stud Matt? If so, I thing my Mexican chiquita would like to meet him and possibly get it on!

 

[moe]

i'm at 45 latitude i think
i cut her in the start of october, but it miss a bit of flowering
something like one week or two !
the smoke was very tasty and a clear high
she was really strong against rain, water and cold temp

 

[Guest]

As long as she smoked good, it was a successful grow imho.

 

[SlyCrayon]

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What a riot! Plant mating online! Seriously, this is a beautiful thread and very much appreciated by those of us who have much to learn from you all. Beautiful pictures. Inspiring words.