The Secret to Sea-of-Green?

[mister c]

For sure. I have dealt with all the zymes and guards you have mentioned above.

Hygrozyme being the most spendy (around $36-40 a liter). But it is a good product. Just too damn expensive.

Hydroguard is baccilus subtillis (bacteria) and is the second cheapest (At around $32-35 a gallon). But you gotta use a shitload of it like all the zymes.

And sm-90 is around $21 a liter. And its like Toucan Sam is chillin in your garden.

Florashield reminds me of bleach or some shit so i don't use it.....same story....gotta use a shitload too. Probably the most out of them all.

And all those products you gotta bust out like 5-10 or more ml per gallon. With sm-90 its just 1ml per gallon.

JUST TO WARN YOU....sm-90 will kill any beneficials though. But its just made of coriander oil and canola oil. So it chokes out the beneficials. So don't add bennies with sm-90.

I just keep sm-90 for my ace in the hole....When shit starts to get ugly i hit them with sm-90.

One last thing...Hygrozyme has no shelf life. Unlike any other zymes. And for that reason, sm-90 and hygrozyme are compatible. So ideally, you could use hygrozyme until you see some funk and just add sm-90 to get ghostly roots and funk free. Keeps plants nice and strong. Hope this helps!!!

Peace

 

[mister c]

Next time you could even downsize the tubs quite a bit. That way the water to airstone ratio is better. And save a grip on nutrients and have space for more ladies.

 

[cabanetforester]

Looking good InjectTruth.

Looking good InjectTruth.

Nice turnaround there, they are looking pretty good now.

I agree more air is where it's at. Not the only thing to consider though. Have to watch those temps also and adding more air will add more heat to the DWC.

Some buckets waiting for their girls. Note the top right bucket. Too many bubbles, (soap) so I dumped it and rinsed it better.



Day 1. Under 100w t5 floro (2)= 200w total.


Week 2.5. Day 1 under 400w MH



I say thats about average for veg rates in DWC, IME.

More air and maybe a little more light. Also easy into the nutes. It's true saying less is more. It is possible to over feed the plants and growing will all but stop, while the plant might appear healthy for some days despite this condition. It can set you back, much more likely that than killing them IME.

You want the PPM's/EC, PH in the DWC to stay almost the same as the plants feed dropping the level in the DWC.

Example: you start with 10 gallons DWC @ 5.8 PH 1200 PPM. Say the plants drink 2 gallons over a day or two, leaving 8 gallons. That 8 gallons should have close the same reading. If anything, you want to see a slightly higher ph and slightly lower PPM's.

Oh yeah,get ready for some fast growing plants! CF

 

[Spaventa]

Ive been doing SOG for a couple of years now. My best yield yet with the "small and many" approach was 43 oz from 32 Apollo 11 - 2 weeks rooting in aero 2 weeks veg with 600w and 6 weeks 4 days flower with 1200w. My worst was an identical run with C99 (aside from an other week flower) which yielded 18.
The 2 biggest variables you play with in SOG are planting density and veg time imo. getting that right takes a few grows with a given pheno (true SOGs are with clones for uniformity and to enable the envoironment and feeding to be dialed for one set of genetics)
SOG works better than trees indoor because artificial lightsources can't iluminate a large plant nearly as well as daylight. Apart from the fact the daylight hits the plant from all angles, it has far greater penetration, so indoor you find on a 6ft plant that you have 1ft of bud at the top, another foot of smaller buds, and 4ft of branches and fluff.
HID reflectors are designed to iluminate a flat, square area so in SOG we grow many small plants that finish at 2ft or less as HPS will penetrate no more than that effectivley.
Its a big subject, and one I'm not qualified to lecture on but I hope it comes together for you.

here a good SOG...
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7366&page=1&pp=15
check out the harvested plants on page 5/6 (yes those are whole plants) SOLID from top to bottom!

 

[chosen]

Love the smell of sm-90. Those roots do look really milky. Definitely add more air and control your water temps.

 

[tenfeetofganja]

My very first rez actually contained the runoff from my soil plants, dead leaves, roots and soil.

I honestly almost vomited when I read this....

 

[eLiguL]

Im glad to see things turned around for you.

 

[InjectTruth]

Ok, so Christmas was day 1 of 12/12 (11/13 actually). Ever since I got them going good again, I am afraid to do anything else, so I am a little nervous about changing the res/adding bloom nutes. I will be doing that soon. I have already added a little open sesame to aid in the transition.

My next concern is light. I have a 4x8 tent with a digi 600 over each 4x4 half. You can see in the pics, the middle overlap is a little dim, as well as the edges of the right side ( I took two bins out of the left side, and re-oriented the bins under them so they get lit more efficiently).

I have a magnetic 600 laying around as well as a 250, but Im afraid to change the environment (more light, more heat, root problems again). I have pretty much decided I will simply add a few clip lights in certain areas with the 42w cfls from the casa, or possibly the 125w cfl from farmtek, until the next time around when I can upgrade to 2 1000's, or simply add the 3rd 600, and get a stronger fan.

 

[eLiguL]

Are your fans currently running at max?? If not crank'em up and throw in the extra lights.

 

[InjectTruth]

Yeah, I am running the stanley blower on max for my cool tubes, and its functioning as an exhuast as well (one half of the cool tube left open, pulling air from the room). Also a dinky 6in duct fan is exhausting from another port.

Havent decided if I am going to put the filter on the end of the cool tubes, or get a t connector. Frankly, I dont know if the stanley blower is enough for the lights and a filtered exhaust, not too mention adding another light. I think I read somewhere that the stanley is good for 265cfm.

Maybe I will get a vortex fan, been wanting to try one out. This way the stanley can cool the lights, and the vortex can scrub and exhaust.

Also saw someone talk about hooking up there cool tube intakes and exhausts to the ducting of their central air, and just running the fan to circulate it threw the house. i figure since Im using a tent, I can just shut the door and get the same effect, but that hasnt been the case. Air coming out of vents in the rest of the house is cool, because its not getting removed from the grow room fast enough, where it builds up. This is making me consider just running the ducting to see if its worth it.

 

[eLiguL]

Cheapest place I found on the net that sells Vortex, its worth a look if you havent already.

Plant Lighting Hydroponics

 

[InjectTruth]

Added some bloom nutes and more mycorhizzals. Trying to figure out how to do the next one. Thinking about perpetual sog in 2gal coco bags, either hand water or ebb and flow.

Anyone know off hand how many 2 gal bags fit in a 4x4 space? I want to add a row or two every week, 5 - 10 plants. Gonna go with my chocolate chunk for clones. Veg under a 250 in 1 liter containers, transfer into 2 gals, 2 more days veg, then into the bloom room. I really need to get at least 0.5gpw, never mind 1gpw. .25 is not gonna cut it.

 

[InjectTruth]

Day 12 of flowering.

I really want to add more light, but dont want to risk throwing off the environment. Considering putting a 150 in the middle, or dispersing a few CFLs


I also need to mod my stanley blower to only suck from one side. I remember reading through the thread, and seeing people not do it, but I need all the power I can get.

This is my first grow bigger than a cabinet and I cant wait to tweak some things for the next one. This DWC has got to go, unless I get some ridiculous yields. EBB AND FLOW all the way! Also need to flip the hydro hut 180 so the exhaust is right next to the door, instead of nesled in the back corner.

 

[cabanetforester]

Hey InjectTruth.

Hey InjectTruth.

You have those lights right down there close. They should be loving that.

I found a light mover helps them from getting burnt when you get the lights down close. Problem is always the same though and thats the smaller sweet spot you get when the lights are close.

I'm still tweaking my light mover as it was moving ~20" total last run with lights close to the canopy like yours are.

I'm running 2- 600's also. I use a 6" vortex to cool them and it works well.

The 6" fan could probably cool 3- 600's.

If I had 3- 600's, I would look at the 8" vortex with a speed control.

I would switch fans if you get the vortex or similar. Have the big inline cooling those lights and the Stanley on the smell.

I have 3 vortex fans. The oldest one has been running 24/7 for almost 3 years now.

These fans are quiet, it's the rushing air that makes all the noise.

My .02 is.. (if your temps can handle it) the 8" vortex with speed control and throw in that 3rd 600. Only 1 way 2 find out! Looking good so far man. CF

 

[InjectTruth]

Well after seeing Stoney419's BigSOG!! thread, he is pulling 3lbs 1oz from 2 600's over a 4x8 on a mover. Id much rather get another 600 and just set up another 4x8 hut! I'd be happy with 2lbs a crop, never mind 6!

This DWC is crushing my nute supply. Been doing research on the Lucas formula, and have decided to swith to Flora Nova Bloom, 8mls per gallon, next grow.

I added one 42w cfl in the middle gap between the two lights, right in the middle of the 2 plants with the least direct light. Probably gonna add one or two more by some of the more dense bushes.

Here we are at day 14.



















ppm's are around 650 -700 and ph is around 6.0. I have a few plants on the left side that are yellow, as you can see. Originally, the ph was very low in these tubs when I added bloom nutes, but topping up a little with tap brought the ph back to 6.0.

This made some of the yellowing begin to re-green up, as you can see in the one pic, but I cant seem to get it all the way back on track. Any tips?

 

[NiteTiger]

Heya Inject, gotta support your decision on the FNB @ 8/ml (1.5 tsp) per gallon.

Here's what my veg room looks like, using the FNB on that formula, and nothing else.

 

[InjectTruth]

Thanks, Nite. I started out using the technaflora series to the T, and now Ive been sucked into the additive tornado. Gonna go back to one bottle, maybe add gravity in the last few weeks.


One plant that yellowed began to droop heavily today. No clue.

 

[eLiguL]

I use "Lucas Floranova" nute plan as well, just a word of warning, have a bag of epsom salt handy just in case. Some strains prefer higher mag and the epsom salt will clear that right up.

 

[Connoisseur300]

What is the Lucas Floranova nute plan? I've herd of the Lucas formula and it has something to do with using just micro and bloom throughout veg and flower. Right??? Please tell me more because I would like to buy two bottles instead of three.

 

[FreezerBoy]

The Lucas formula says that the Green stuff, GH FloraGrow is useless. It's the "0" in 0-5-10 or 0-8-16. All you need is FloraMicro and FloraBloom which you mix as needed.

Floranova is still two bottles but, each comes premixed. One for veg and one for flower.

Couldn't believe that root gunk and was going to ask what Truth was using. The GH is clean as a whistle.

.....edit ......

Mielikki is going to catch me on floragrows color next page. He's right it's NOT pink as I originally said