Which haze for breeding?

[PGW]

Hey everybody!
I'm in the search for a super-potent haze or Thai for a breeding project. I'm gonna use a female that is mostly indica and I think for diversity of genetics, the haze or Thai would be a good choice for the male. (opinions?)

1. I think it would be best (again for diversity) to stick with a pure or nearly pure haze or Thai.

2. Budget is definitely a strong factor (yeah that part sucks, I know). I really need to keep it below 50 USD.

3. What do you folks think about Seedsman gear? Anyone ran it? I was looking at either his Original Haze or Mamma Thai.

Thanks Guys and Gals.

 

[Outlaw Grower]

Hey everybody!
I'm in the search for a super-potent haze or Thai for a breeding project. I'm gonna use a female that is mostly indica and I think for diversity of genetics, the haze or Thai would be a good choice for the male. (opinions?)

1. I think it would be best (again for diversity) to stick with a pure or nearly pure haze or Thai.

2. Budget is definitely a strong factor (yeah that part sucks, I know). I really need to keep it below 50 USD.

3. What do you folks think about Seedsman gear? Anyone ran it? I was looking at either his Original Haze or Mamma Thai.

Thanks Guys and Gals.

i just ordered some oldtimers haze from ace seeds but thats almost 3x the price range you stated. im also ordering the original haze from seedsman and the mama thai lol

 

[PGW]

Thanks Outlaw! I would love to hear what you think of the Seedsman stuff once you get it going. I also looked really hard at ACE as well as Reefs Original Haze, but I just can't do that without stealing from bill money...that ain't happnin'.

Thanks for the reply, and let me know what ya think on the Seedmans stuff.

 

[Outlaw Grower]

yea definatly dont dip into bill money. i normaly couldnt afford them but got lucky and a buddy that owed me a big favor was trying to cash in. i got the oldtimer haze line that doc carries which is Purple Haze female 1 x Green Haze male 6. gypsy sells another 3 lines of the oldimer haze by ace seeds they are
Purple Haze female 3 x Green Haze male 6
Purple Haze female 13 x Green Haze male 6
Purple Haze female 23 x Green Haze male 6

im hoping to be able to collect all 4 lines but its not looking good at almost $600. i got the seedsmans as a last ditch effort incase i dont find the pheno i want in the oldimer lines

 

[PGW]

Wow....ummm Haze connissuer are ya? lol If you don't get a keeper pheno out of all those, I'd hate to see how many more it would take. I'd think you would have at least one or two standouts in a group like that.

Good luck!

 

[pSi007]

I mixed a mango kush, with orange haze... Fuggin killer!
the kush was a mega yielder and tasted like citrus kush with a sugary/spicy taste. The orange haze was high THC and pinecone smell. result, MASSIVE yields! SUPER taste, VERY high THC, and a sativa buzz that lasts for hours.

my recommendation, original haze...

 

[PGW]

Geeee...sounds like that project went well for ya pSi007! Glad to hear it went so well. I can only hope at this stage--lol. I'm trying to learn everything I possibly can about breeding. If it's not already obvious, this is my first try at breeding a NEW strain.

Thanks for the recommendation pSi007. It's well taken.

 

[fjällhöga]

Go with Mr Nice Nevilles Haze or a similar haze from shanti ...

Fj

 

[PGW]

Fj, your absolutely right with Shanti. If I had a little bit bigger budget, that's who would get my money, but alas, I am a poor bass turd since I went back to college. But, since you are a lover of the Haze, do you have any cheaper recommendation?

Believe me, I know it sounds dumb to get a recommendation, then bitch about price and ask for another. I'm just hoping that the 50 USD price will get me "good" genetics, since I obviously can't afford the "best" genetics.

 

[fjällhöga]

hum .. , look @ seedbay .. , Mr Nice Limited Editions ... , there you might find some other hazes ... , shanti's prices are more than nice when you consider getting a min of 15 kerns per pack ..

 

[fjällhöga]

i can recommend his Afghan/Haze which is a godsend haze i case of growing , nice yielding and a potency matching with Nevilles Haze , just with a slight bit more body in the experience ... , a good breeder too ..

add 20 bucks and go with Afghan/Haze , you will be satisfied at the highest order ...

Fj

PS: here you got a small reference what comes from the AH and its kids

Mountain High Haze

 

[PGW]

Yeah, thats a good point about the 15 beans per pack. I'll watch SB a little more carefully. Thank you.

 

[cway]

Go with some Ace Zamal Haze IMHO.. Or some Bangi Haze.. Both good breeding stock for the price...

 

[barnyard]

"genetic diversity" or "schizophrenic genetics"?

with Cannabis even an IBL like Northern Lights is going to show a lot of variation.

For hybrids, the F1 generation is going to show the most consistency ~ with the following generations reverting back to the genotypes of the original parents.

Even an F1 cross of pure Sativa X pure Indica is going to be all over the board and show lots of diversity. Jo Grower is still going to get Sativa dominant plants, Indica dominant plants. Some may require 7 weeks to flower while others may take 12. My question is, how is this going to benefit the grower?

Yours is a common approach to breeding PGW. We've all read the description:

"Here at North Side Beaners we've crossed our best pure Indica with our best pure Sativa and by golly we've developed the perfect plant showing the best traits of both strains".

In theory its a good idea, I'm just not certain that genetic reality works that way. And if fact, I'm wondering if this approach does not ultimately counter productive by creating schizo genetics that Jo Grower has a tough time handling.

Alternatively, wouldn't a better strategy for fixing desired genetic traits to cross plants with the same desired traits from different populations?

 

[PGW]

Thats a really good question barnyard! Just as you mentioned, from reading, I gathered that what was suppose to take place in the initial stages of a breeding program was to use two very different lines.

I don't know if you already had this in mind, but the ultimate goal is for me to create a totally new strain. Meaning that, if it takes me three or four generations to get it worked out, then so be it.

I could certainly cross two somewhat similar hybrids to get f1's and say woo hoo I'm done!--lol But what I'm hoping to learn from this is:....
1. Can I cross two very different strains and...
2. Grow the progeny from the cross and then..
3. Select from the progeny, a group of three females that show a tendency toward shorter, fatter growth and then...
4. Cross those back to a somewhat short squat male brother of theirs.
5. The resulting seeds would be my first "test batch" of seeds from the original cross. Basically, these would be the first of the seeds that I would seriously consider as the "new strain".

I'm new to breeding new strains (as opposed to just inbreeding known strains) so I've probably broken all the rules with above plan, but thats what I'm thinking at thiis point in the research.

Critique the plan...let me know where the most idiotic parts are.

 

[fjällhöga]

How many females do you have in mind for selecting the female part ??? the same for the males ??

 

[EddieShoestring]

i'm not a breeder so can't comment on that aspect of your Q

3. What do you folks think about Seedsman gear? Anyone ran it? I was looking at either his Original Haze or Mamma Thai.

but my friend has been giving me the odd bud from his Original Haze (Seedsman Seeds) and the hit is incredible-like a pure stimulant with an apparently limitless high. Not tried the Thai but that Haze is the schizz

eddie

 

[PGW]

Fj, my space limitations suck, but right now I have twenty seedlings that just went to 12/12 (I was suppose to have 60, but the second half never arrived). I'm hoping for a good ratio leaning toward the fem (of course). So, maybe, 12-15 fems.

I don't think I mentioned this before but the female side of the P1 gen will be Mandala's Speed Queen.

For the second part of your question Fj, the answer is however many males I can get from the one pack I can afford. Grrrrrrr!

Eddie, thanks for stoppin by! I'm glad to hear the Seedsman genetics may very well be a viable option, thank you.

 

[fjällhöga]

ok ... , so you will have to take all males possible and use them in an open pollination against your choice female , so you insure as much genetic diversity possible ...

 

[PGW]

Oh, ok, right on! Thank you for the help Fj, it really is nice of you to take the time. I never really expected someone would kind-of "coach" me on this. And yes, I fully understand the logic in that. For some reason I was stuck on having to choose just one male. An open pollination makes MUCH more sense.

On a side note, and FWIW, I used to have a much bigger and better space 'til a "friend" went spouting his mouth off everywhere about where he got bud from, so I converted the space back into living space and have to conduct growing in a cabinet now in an effort to be more stealthy. I was already knee deep into the research surrounding breeding before this happened. So I really don't want to just abandon the project now, even though I know I should be using waaaaaay more plants for selection.