Herms! Always seem to show up

[Cjb123]

Any advice on avoiding herms would be greatly appreciated. I look after my plants well and they always seem to look super healthy but seems like it never fails about halfway through flower I start getting pollin sacks and next thing you know I end up with baby seeds in my buds. It normally is still fairly good for seeded bud but something is definitely going wrong I feel like. This is About my 3rd or fourth year growing and I have been having these issues since the beginning but it seems to have gotten more frequent and now pretty much every tent ends up herming at some point and I just wonder is there is any more pointers someone could give. Maybe some advice on how you avoid them thanks in advance

 

[CannaZen]

I've read that earlier methods for feminized seeds led to herm traits I don't know what method was used in the past
My f1 did show a few bananas on a couple of plants in one line.

 

[CannaZen]

What lines are you growing?

 

[Kalbhairav]

1. Check for light leaks
Turn light on in grow room, sit in empty tent and zip up. Wait for your eyes to fully adjust and see if you can spot pin holes of light coming in.

2. Stress on plants. This will be harder to recognise as you can stress many plants easily without knowing. Flowering too early will result in stress for some hybrids. So many things it could be.

3. Some multiple hybrids are very finicky and have parents that were from a line that already has herm traits. Male flowers can appear very easily under stress in these lines. What are you growing?

 

[Cjb123]

What lines are you growing?

A bunch honestly. Well about 12 different strains. The ones that have hermed on me most recently is gg4 from bsb genetics which I guess that's not too surprising but I have had others like red hot cookies from sweet seeds herm on me and grow little baby seeds all through out the buds. It just seems like lately every grow I have atleast one plant shoot bananas and pollinate another plant. Hopefully it's not to bad this time though. I'm gonna have to look into regular seeds I guess cause this has happened every time since my first grow. Atleast one gets fucked and screws the rest lmao other ones that hermed are some inhouse genetic strains and even a strain called Captain future from anesia seeds. Most of these are all from different breeders too. Craziest part is the plants always look really healthy when it happens

 

[Cjb123]

1. Check for light leaks
Turn light on in grow room, sit in empty tent and zip up. Wait for your eyes to fully adjust and see if you can spot pin holes of light coming in.

2. Stress on plants. This will be harder to recognise as you can stress many plants easily without knowing. Flowering too early will result in stress for some hybrids. So many things it could be.

3. Some multiple hybrids are very finicky and have parents that were from a line that already has herm traits. Male flowers can appear very easily under stress in these lines. What are you growing?

Currently gg4 from bsb is my biggest plant in dwc then I got Barney's farm orange sherbet in coco and skittlez from advanced genetics I think its from. Also trying another breeder but not sure if it will be a good or bad thing. Anyone tried getting seeds from green point seeds? I got a strain called daiquiri going and Texas toasted. Also another strain from sweet seeds called sweet zenzation. I tend to train my plants pretty hard so this grow I'm trying to go a bit easier on them and see if that makes a difference. I keep trying to check for light leaks but all I know to do is tape any spot I see a leak coming from until the tape falls off which isn't normally long. What do you guys use to cover light leaks?

 

[Cjb123]

Also just spouted sour diesel from seed stockers and granddaddy cookies from some company that starts with a T, tiama or something like that also purple crunch from Greenpoint and diamond cookies from them as well. All these are in my veg tent

 

[4maggio]

1. Check for light leaks
Turn light on in grow room, sit in empty tent and zip up. Wait for your eyes to fully adjust and see if you can spot pin holes of light coming in.

2. Stress on plants. This will be harder to recognise as you can stress many plants easily without knowing. Flowering too early will result in stress for some hybrids. So many things it could be.

3. Some multiple hybrids are very finicky and have parents that were from a line that already has herm traits. Male flowers can appear very easily under stress in these lines. What are you growing?

I was surprised at how many electrical appliances and power strips have a little red/yellow/blue light that needs to be covered up.. YES, Kalb, stand in there in the dark with all equipment powered on.. K up there is on the money too but if doing good till into bloom.. bad Lite leaks OR a flickering grow light and of course bad PH..

 

[GMT]

Bollocks!
This nonsense is left over from GrassDog seeds excusing his Hermies by blaming growers environments, instead of his seeds.

If your plant Hermies from stress, poor genetics.
If your plant hermies from a little light leak, well it didn't, it would Hermie anyway.

Nothing you do to your plants will make them Hermie unless you are using chemicals to reverse them. Everything else is bullshit to excuse poor genetics.

Are you in the UK? If not, buy something that's been around for a while instead of the latest crap being hyped on insta. Buy from a seedbank that's been around for at least a decade instead of some place new that will be gone by next year.

Honestly, quality builds a rep and doesn't need hype. Hype is for temporary crap that won't stand the test of time and so needs to be cashed in on quickly.

 

[Kalbhairav]

@GMT
I know you’re a man with a great deal analytical acumen. When it comes to the genetics side, and you have multiple growers all using seed from the same pollination, how is it that some growers discover intersex in their females and others don’t? Environment doesn’t play a part in this?

 

[Kalbhairav]

An example I’m thinking of is that I was recently reading separate threads in the Ace and Karma forums where a grower in each reported intersex traits in a particular line with pics as proof. There wasn’t a single report of male flowers from many other growers of these popular seed lines. Interested in your perspective.

 

[Roms]

Hi Cjb welcome, first of all what is your set-up combo? Box, light, air system, medium...?

 

[GMT]

Hey Kal,
No mate I don't believe it does. Remember just how different 2 seeds from the same crop can be. It's unlikely that both parents have corrupted DNA passed onto them, from both of their respective parents. Therefore, some of the seeds will have some of their DNA that will generate Herms, and some of those genes, (where they exist) will be turned on, and some will have them turned off. Others will not have inherited those genes, but rather the alternative genes from their grand parents (perhaps turned on or off in their parents).
Traits can be masked in one generation, in one plant, or show; and can be present or absent in particular individuals among the same populations.

To show environmental forces at play, every individual grown in one environment would have to show one quality, trait, genotype expression (however we choose to state that), and a different one in an alternative environment.

Let's assume no one's environment naturally has C.S. / G.A. / S.T. floating around in the air.

Thanks for the props man.

 

[luposolitario]

Currently gg4 from bsb is my biggest plant in dwc then I got Barney's farm orange sherbet in coco and skittlez from advanced genetics I think its from. Also trying another breeder but not sure if it will be a good or bad thing. Anyone tried getting seeds from green point seeds? I got a strain called daiquiri going and Texas toasted. Also another strain from sweet seeds called sweet zenzation. I tend to train my plants pretty hard so this grow I'm trying to go a bit easier on them and see if that makes a difference. I keep trying to check for light leaks but all I know to do is tape any spot I see a leak coming from until the tape falls off which isn't normally long. What do you guys use to cover light leaks?

i have get some pakc by green point in the years,qualiti not is sure up all cross it sell, bad good germination at part, not rare see herm traits, by last pollination have hit the more clean by male flower, all have get out nanners, more by stress, sure if u have idea make a cropp good not use green point,
if nedd just one two different plant for smoke is ok . out was lots stable cross, aniway some is sensitive than other, the ugli fact is the more potent stable good taste 65days bloom , not was more disponible. good luck

 

[weedemart]

Bollocks!
This nonsense is left over from GrassDog seeds excusing his Hermies by blaming growers environments, instead of his seeds.

If your plant Hermies from stress, poor genetics.
If your plant hermies from a little light leak, well it didn't, it would Hermie anyway.

Nothing you do to your plants will make them Hermie unless you are using chemicals to reverse them. Everything else is bullshit to excuse poor genetics.

Are you in the UK? If not, buy something that's been around for a while instead of the latest crap being hyped on insta. Buy from a seedbank that's been around for at least a decade instead of some place new that will be gone by next year.

Honestly, quality builds a rep and doesn't need hype. Hype is for temporary crap that won't stand the test of time and so needs to be cashed in on quickly.

This.

Feminized seeds are a pain. Most breeders do not take the time to stabilize their genetics before feminizing them, which is why hermies occurrence is high. To make good quality feminized seeds you need a sexually stable variety proven by the breeder. Too often these pseudo breeders just chase away phenotypes without working on them and reproduce them by rhoderization or by chemical method without knowing what they are really reproducing. In the end the consumer ends up with a surprise package.

To have a sexually stable feminized variety you must start from a sexually stable and stress-tested individual. A stable individual will never release a pollen sac even with a flash of light.

Fun fact ; rhoderization is a myth caused by sexually instable strain. it doesnt happen with stabilized strain!

Everything else is a lie of the industry and they will never tell the truth because the legal market bought their story.

 

[CannaZen]

yeah well i had a vision lowryder bad intersex happen idk what gender it was, just intersex. no idea the seedbank sent legit seed of theirs but.

it was early enough that a lot of the cross i made wasnt pollinated by it, (i think?) but i noticed a banana or two in f1.

edit: so
i dont remember. which ones hermed and which ones didnt, ill have to look very carefully the next f1 seeds i pop and i might have to be very conspicuous.

how to remove intersex traits?

 

[troutman]

Light leaks and bad breeding practices are the usual culprits.
I avoid feminized seeds as well.

 

[Dime]

Any advice on avoiding herms would be greatly appreciated. I look after my plants well and they always seem to look super healthy but seems like it never fails about halfway through flower I start getting pollin sacks and next thing you know I end up with baby seeds in my buds. It normally is still fairly good for seeded bud but something is definitely going wrong I feel like. This is About my 3rd or fourth year growing and I have been having these issues since the beginning but it seems to have gotten more frequent and now pretty much every tent ends up herming at some point and I just wonder is there is any more pointers someone could give. Maybe some advice on how you avoid them thanks in advance

Flowering before the plant is mature may result in hermies. Waiting till they go to opposite phylotaxy and/or show sex then flowering maybe reduce incidence.

 

[mexweed]

Stress is a bigger factor than the kind of light leaks a lot of people worry about, a blinking light on a power strip for example does not produce as much light as the moon

I have opened tents after lights off to water plants when I had forgotten, also grown in closets that had gaps on the door with a sheet over the window in the room that still let some dim sunlight through with no herms

A lot of indoor growers experience root bound stress from using too small of a container, even 5 gallon buckets are too small for some strains, things like flipping a plant too early or if it was vegged too long in the previous container to take cuts can contribute to root space stress

 

[Dime]

Stress is a bigger factor than the kind of light leaks a lot of people worry about, a blinking light on a power strip for example does not produce as much light as the moon

I have opened tents after lights off to water plants when I had forgotten, also grown in closets that had gaps on the door with a sheet over the window in the room that still let some dim sunlight through with no herms

A lot of indoor growers experience root bound stress from using too small of a container, even 5 gallon buckets are too small for some strains, things like flipping a plant too early or too late because it was vegged too long in the previous container to take cuts can contribute to root space stress

I go into my garden often with a flashlight during the dark cycle and outside I have a yard light which stays on all night and the plants are close to it and haven't had an issue. I intentionally stress them as well to see how stable they are.