if he wants it, he'll take it. Russia's military probably couldn't stop him, given the trouble they're having with Ukraine.I read the leader of the wagner group is being groomed
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Biden: No Guns for Weed Smokers
- Thread starter Three Berries
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moose eater
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I'd agree, but for the fact that there's decent average folks there, too. And none of our leaders are worthy of the 'salt of the earth' suffering modern weaponry.
RobFromTX
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So true. Most of those russian troops are just freakin kids as it is.
moose eater
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And recently outfitted with embarassingly old, outdated, questionably functional equipment.
Putin's had some of his own Generals speak out (and I'm sure look for a new zip code to live in afterward). And one or 2 Oligarchs have done so as well. Not a healthy thing to do in modern Russia. Conscience lives on both sides among some, even if it's simply knowing when to say when.
i don't know how long that i (if i was Ukrainian) would refuse to launch attacks on Russian population centers, power plants, hydro dams. it can't be because they are afraid that Putin would return the favor, he already has! if indiscriminate attacks on schools, hospitals etc, are okay for one side...why would they be off-limits for the other? trying to convince the Russian people that THEY are not the Ukrainians "enemy"? maybe...that's the only angle i see that makes sense.
RobFromTX
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Everything will be game at this point. That base they droned wasn't that far from moscow
moose eater
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There's good people in the adult age range on both sides, too. People just like here in the US, who get up, make breakfast, talk to their family over coffee, figure out how to spend their day, and hope not to be too affected by the bullshit. People with small, local ideas. No International chess boards in their kitchens.
Probably one of the few instances, however difficult it would be to implement, to support running a very quiet, covert ground game with CIA, etc., building the case against him and aiding those who are already opposed to his version of naitonalism.. But a populist movement in some locations doesn't have the horsepower it does in others. And carries a lot heavier costs.
The guy is one of a few remaining, honest to goodness 'scorched earth' policy dinosaurs. When he says he's willing to go nuclear, tactical or otherwise, he means it, imo. All the more reason to aid existing internal change, as wrong as it is to fuck around in another's kitchen.. Amplify the problems he's bringing on his own people, and there are many.
Ultimately, fear and comfort gets in the way of necessary bottom-up change, whether here or in other places.
What are people willing to risk to get rid of regimes or leaders who don't represent the People of that place?
We're each repsonsible for the mediocrity and crimes that we suffer in our own respective places, perpetrated by our own leaderships.
Easy to say or define. A whole lot more difficult to bring about correction to..
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moose eater
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Trying to contain the response from a guy who just doesn't really give a fuck anymore. Thankfully he's underpowered currently. And worried about the reactions from the more powerful within his Country (Russia). How to correct or thwart what's happening, without throwing gasoline on the WWIII fire. Controlled responses.
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but it was still a MILITARY target. i'm thinking stronger than before that the Ukraine military is deliberately not hitting anything remotely civilian so far. if true...is that their idea, or a "suggestion" of sorts?
that could possibly inflame the Russian civilians. Putins failures/"strategy" and draft have the man on the street leaning away from support for him. if your opponent is digging himself a deeper hole, you don't take his shovel away from him and help him up...
news tonight saying that Russian missile systems based in Belarus are ready to be used. their troops have been training on them for some time apparently. a feint? Belarus has been studiously trying to stay out of it, the war is not popular there.
you can take the man out of the KGB, but...
IS there a "better alternative" with a real chance, or will it be throwing fresh meat to the dogs...? can their ultra-rich challenge the hard-right military fossils in the Kremlin? maybe the troops will get tired of being fed to a sausage grinder & back change...wouldn't be the first time a few tank commanders got together and said "FUCK this noise!"
moose eater
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People in Russia who oppose Putin politically are already in the lion's jaws. As much as I have disdain for fucking around in others' countries in anything resembling such actions, maybe giving some guidance to those sorts is something to try. 'Steer the ship.'
Maybe it's already been/being tried and we don't know? I doubt anyone would let you or I know if that was the case.
Just like the State Dept and crew have derailed elections or administrations in others' countries for decades. It'd be nothing new for them to engage in. Risky for the players? Yes, but they signed up for such stuff.
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been a LOT of folks there in his "circle" that have passed on recently. people falling out of windows, down flights of steps, one fellow managed to shoot himself five times! anything could happen...
And with the possibly real menace you also have to consider that the leader of Russia is apparently on cancer meds in what could be last stages. He doesn't have anything to lose. Probably dead within a year or so.
Kinda hard to have someone that has almost spent all his chips.
Kinda hard to have someone that has almost spent all his chips.
moose eater
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I think Putin was a 'scorched earth policy' kinda' fellow long before he got cancer, or before it progressed as it reportedly has
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Who knows where this might turn, but I can see more reasons for controlled responses than for engaging in looser actions.
Three Berries
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Bidan is nothing compared to Trudeau....
.https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/largest-gun-ban-in-canadian-history-bill-amendment-could-criminalize-millions-of-hunting-rifles/ar-AA14w93J
In committee last week for a pending gun control bill, Liberal MP Paul Chiang introduced an amendment that would effectively criminalize millions of firearms currently in use with Canadian hunters.
The amendment proposes to ban “a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.”
Also tabled was a 478-page amendment banning thousands of additional Canadian firearms by name. This included the SKS, a Soviet-designed surplus rifle that has long been a favourite of Canadian hunters, with around 200,000 estimated owners .
.https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/largest-gun-ban-in-canadian-history-bill-amendment-could-criminalize-millions-of-hunting-rifles/ar-AA14w93J
In committee last week for a pending gun control bill, Liberal MP Paul Chiang introduced an amendment that would effectively criminalize millions of firearms currently in use with Canadian hunters.
The amendment proposes to ban “a firearm that is a rifle or shotgun, that is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity greater than five cartridges of the type for which the firearm was originally designed.”
Also tabled was a 478-page amendment banning thousands of additional Canadian firearms by name. This included the SKS, a Soviet-designed surplus rifle that has long been a favourite of Canadian hunters, with around 200,000 estimated owners .
whoops! ANOTHER of Putins critics is dead; yes, another "fell out the window" at his hotel in India... Russia, of course, uses the time to warn the US away from a "special operation" of their own. IE- getting rid of Putin in a surgical strike. they sure issue a lot of threats these days...huh.anything could happen...
some people make it easy...
