Tom Hill Haze

[Gerardbutler79]

Around here i don't think any dispensaries will sell weed that flowers longer than 10 weeks (8 to be more realistic).

While back I went into one and asked if they ever had any pure sativa flowers and they responded there is no such thing anymore.

found a few dispos in massachusetts that offer supposed chocolate thai, colombian gold, and lambsbread. I'd be happy with any if they're the real thing. none with haze though. But.. gotta feeling that'll change soon. I think the old NY haze will make a comeback just based off what's out there at the moment. Won't be that 20 week haze. Maybe an s2 or s3 of "piff" (a5 haze)

 

[Nexus7]

Well, see previous post. Guess which is which. Bizarre. I'll post when they're in flower. I'm going to let them get nice and mature bonsai style and flower cuts I take in a fee weeks.
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I had the same thing going on with the OHzs1 and THH best received from @MadMac

The OHzs1 was no doubt a pure tropical NLD all the way.

The THH best is a bit harder to define it looks hybrid but did have a suitably long flowering time. One pheno was shorter flowering ~12-13 weeks with denser buds like an Ace - Malawi. The other was taken at over 100 days of flowering and had more airy buds like the OHz. Also terps were totally different to the sweet Hazy OHz.

Not sure if it got contaminated somewhere along the way but struggle to understand why we call them both Haze. They are just so different!

 

[MadMac]

found a few dispos in massachusetts that offer supposed chocolate thai, colombian gold, and lambsbread. I'd be happy with any if they're the real thing. none with haze though. But.. gotta feeling that'll change soon. I think the old NY haze will make a comeback just based off what's out there at the moment. Won't be that 20 week haze. Maybe an s2 or s3 of "piff" (a5 haze)

working with @Yo Sammy on it.... will haze his old Nevil cut's A5, Bandaid etc... and making fem's ... plan is to sell them in spring 2023 ...
the demand is there meantime... but no good genetics... nobody did care... long flower... wtf ...
they will love it... 14-16 weeks flower time... and a amazing high that has much more medical value...
A5 x OHz(best reversed) ... first test with Karma's A5 showed huge potential...
there are many many great things in the pipe... just need time to do it...

and to the REPRO'S !!!
i'll did them all alone,.... no other involved !!!
don't like if people start to mix and @ the end the other had done the work.... FUCK THOSE who do... read it more often last time...
i'll payed all the bill's ... non other... same with work and selections...

i'll did THH(2) and OHz(4) repros without any help of others...
also i'll did the reversing and S1 R4 etc... no Johnny no other...
so plz don't mix my hard work with others big mouth... it's annoying
i'll only used Golli's and @JohnnyChicago (Seedsman) OHz genetics to make this repro's ...
but non of them did really care when i'll did the repro...
now people start to mix things and that is not cool...
have read sooo many bullshit here who did what here and there...
so plz don't mix things... got some strange PM's after you all mixed my work with others ...
and again... i'll have nothing to do with Johnny nor did we work together ... so plz keep me out and don't mix it...

M.

 

[herbgreen]

Sub24ox7

Hope you unplug that treadmill

 

[Ncali]

MM, I don't intend to cross thh and your oh worked lines my friend. I am side by side growing them to test/prep my sativa tent for oh, thh and other sativa. I will eventually pollinate some of your girls with an oh boy if I am so lucky, I'd like to have seeds from this line for a long, long time.

But yes, I can see you put a lot of work into this line's preservations. A noble deed. However, I think I vary in my thoughts towards outcrossing work. You were not the originator of these genes, nor were the growers who did it before you.... but we can disagree. It makes me no less grateful for folks who can do work like you did.

But I do agree, preservations are paramount. Especially hard ones like haze. Anyone who is worth thier grow knows this. We must keep the building blocks. For that i am grateful! I am looking forward to my big tent getting hazed.

 

[Nexus7]

Already crossed the THH from madmac to Colombian Gold '72 similar to an OHz I imagine.

Should be ok I think.

 

[Hammerhead]

@MadMac I thought the THH repos were your work. I got THH and a bunch of other seeds from you. It's very much appreciated!. After posting pics and saying they were yours @JohnnyChicago said they were his repo?. It's why I started thanking both of you guys. Whatever is going on I'm not involved with any beef between you guys. I was going off of what I was told. All of the THH seeds and most other haze hybrids seeds I got were from you!!!. I can't thank you enough!!!.

All of my haze hybrids are worked and can't be duplicated by anyone else. I'll never do a THH or other haze repo. The only repo on the books is Deep Chunk. This will be an F3. There are no DC f1 seeds available anymore.

 

[Piff_cat]

found a few dispos in massachusetts that offer supposed chocolate thai, colombian gold, and lambsbread. I'd be happy with any if they're the real thing. none with haze though. But.. gotta feeling that'll change soon. I think the old NY haze will make a comeback just based off what's out there at the moment. Won't be that 20 week haze. Maybe an s2 or s3 of "piff" (a5 haze)

its funny because i bet in ny piff is still sold in the heights etc. a huge profit margin if you run it vertically integrated like the dominicans did. even at 10 a g. i grew the piff s2 from piffcoast and it is great the best smelling trees ive grown. the effect is a not quite the same as true piff, likely more mazar influence in the selfed lines.

but piff s2 is just one line from the a5 brown haze and it started as piff bagseed. meaning the original selected s1 pheno had no selection just that it germinated. even so piffcoast still got alot of diversity in the s2. the haze lines, seem to have a high percentage of polymorphic loci and alleles per polymorphic locus. for example, 5 full thc length thc synthases have been found in one clone of haze. m110 on this chart. synthase 2/1,2/2,2/3
are from a more ancient clade while 1/1 is the standard found in most reference genomes.

 

[@hempy]

How is Haze any one persons work ?

MadMac​

working with @Yo Sammy on it.... will haze his old Nevil cut's A5, Bandaid etc... and making fem's ... plan is to sell them in spring 2023 ...
the demand is there meantime... but no good genetics... nobody did care... long flower... wtf ...
they will love it... 14-16 weeks flower time... and a amazing high that has much more medical value...
A5 x OHz(best reversed) ... first test with Karma's A5 showed huge potential...
there are many many great things in the pipe... just need time to do it...

Mac i am a bit confused at this statement are you saying the clones Sammy collected are no good ?

 

[Nexus7]

How is Haze any one persons work ?


Mac i am a bit confused at this statement are you saying the clones Sammy collected are no good ?

I think he's talking about the OHz itself?

 

[JohnnyChicago]

@MadMac I thought the THH repos were your work. I got THH and a bunch of other seeds from you. It's very much appreciated!. After posting pics and saying they were yours @JohnnyChicago said they were his repo?. It's why I started thanking both of you guys.

Can only be the Seedsman OH... I have never grown THH @Hammerhead

 

[MAHA KALA]

 

[JohnnyChicago]

working with @Yo Sammy on it.... will haze his old Nevil cut's A5, Bandaid etc... and making fem's ... plan is to sell them in spring 2023 ...
the demand is there meantime... but no good genetics... nobody did care... long flower... wtf ...
they will love it... 14-16 weeks flower time... and a amazing high that has much more medical value...
A5 x OHz(best reversed) ... first test with Karma's A5 showed huge potential...
there are many many great things in the pipe... just need time to do it...
and to the REPRO'S !!!
i'll did them all alone,.... no other involved !!!
don't like if people start to mix and @ the end the other had done the work.... FUCK THOSE who do... read it more often last time...
i'll payed all the bill's ... non other... same with work and selections...
i'll did THH(2) and OHz(4) repros without any help of others...
also i'll did the reversing and S1 R4 etc... no Johnny no other...
so plz don't mix my hard work with others big mouth... it's annoying
i'll only used Golli's and @JohnnyChicago (Seedsman) OHz genetics to make this repro's ...
but non of them did really care when i'll did the repro...
now people start to mix things and that is not cool...
have read sooo many bullshit here who did what here and there...
so plz don't mix things... got some strange PM's after you all mixed my work with others ...
and again... i'll have nothing to do with Johnny nor did we work together ... so plz keep me out and don't mix it...

M.

What is this new drama about, @MadMac? Can't you sort out your problems over PM?

It is not the first time you make drama for somebody making the mistake to add my name next to THH. You did it with another great grower too. What has THH do with me?? And how long will you make troubles to me? I have other things to bother in my life, that are more important than your seeds. Can't you respect this finally??? I am already almost completely incative online because of you. Intention or not. But it is clear that you are making troubles here on icmag now too. Even between Hammer, Sammy and me?

And what's that tone?

Should I remember that without me and my generosity, but also Gollis who came later, you would be growing only Toms OH and Todds 100% columbian. No Golli OH, No Seedsman, no predator, no SamS OH. As you have all your Original Haze lines thank to me. Except THH, that you even call unpure.

Clear enough now ??!

And not involved in the repros? Mixing up the things? Not caring? Is that a bad joke? When you got the lines from us (seedsman OH & OH90) under the condition to reproduce and share with the people? ` "We" are even not making any problems for your wrong labeled and unpure Seedsman OH and OH90, you have sent to 200 people. Breeders included. Should we care? And it's the others who mix up the things?

Just let me in peace MadMac. You should have used Todds and Tom''s OH's, if you have a problem with people respecting to much. Or what is it about here ?

Not interested in your dramas. And can confirm 100%, that all what you do is yours. The seeds too. Just like the sharing. No matter of what. Also the repros. Your bills too. You do everything alone. Just like Golli and me have done all alone too, acquiring, preserving, (possibly) improving and finally deciding to share our OH lines with the community. Be clear about how and why you got your seeds. As that is part of our story.

Our sharing of the OH that Golli and me have done at the same time in 2019, Todd was doing his presales of the 100% Columbian OH, done under the guidance of SamS.

 

[Koondense]

How is Haze any one persons work ?


Mac i am a bit confused at this statement are you saying the clones Sammy collected are no good ?

I believe his words were meant to resemble what most people believed about haze and long flowering non commercially viable sativas. It's the reason people say haze is hay. It's hay if you harvest at 8 weeks like they do with critical and similar commercial hybrids, if you select and grow them properly you know they're not hay(or bad genetics).
Haze is hay through commercial sunglasses.

Cheers

 

[MAHA KALA]

I believe his words were meant to resemble what most people believed about haze and long flowering non commercially viable sativas. It's the reason people say haze is hay. It's hay if you harvest at 8 weeks like they do with critical and similar commercial hybrids, if you select and grow them properly you know they're not hay(or bad genetics).
Haze is hay through commercial sunglasses.

Cheers

you are right. but I would say that sammy´s cuts are very commercial from my experience and easy to grow compared to Ohz lines, despite longer flowering time. they are haze hybrids, not real haze.

so it is not about chopping too early, even if they take ohz 16 weeks, it doesnt mean it is grown properly. there are many factors, and these tropical genetics just dont like to grow indoors in pots...


I saw many sativas indoors, and I can read wow that or wow this, but I see it is not grown properly and to me it seems tortured.. but I dont say anything usually as I dont want to look like negative creep hahaha.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I would like to know your opinions about medical value of haze? it has zero body effect, so I guess that it can work like antidepressant? but antidepressant is that it is kind of calming, while real haze hahaha is racy and heart beating, electric, paranoia inducing, very introspective, it can be scary even etc... I would not recommend it to people with depression... not really sure about what kind of medical value it has?

anybody uses real haze, now I dont mean g13haze or any other aghanhaze like piff, for their medical issues?

thanks.

 

[harvestreaper]

Todds 100% columbian.

Todd was doing his presales of the 100% Columbian OH, done under the guidance of SamS.

this caught my attention johnny ,,,do you mean its diffrent from your own haze as you believe yours contains other /diffrent genetics ?,,

 

[MAHA KALA]

yeah @harvestreaper that is good question. I always thought seedsman is colombian gold dom... some people who grew both, colombian gold and seedsman, think that it is very similar...

 

[harvestreaper]

I would like to know your opinions about medical value of haze? it has zero body effect, so I guess that it can work like antidepressant? but antidepressant is that it is kind of calming, while real haze hahaha is racy and heart beating, electric, paranoia inducing, very introspective, it can be scary even etc... I would not recommend it to people with depression... not really sure about what kind of medical value it has?

anybody uses real haze, now I dont mean g13haze or any other aghanhaze like piff, for their medical issues?

thanks.

depresssion can cause lethargy,, a positive energy can really get someone up an going ,,plus sometimes joy/euphoroia very good for depressive people maybe not recommed for paranoid/neurotic people but depressioin i say it a good medicine

 

[g0dzilla]

this caught my attention johnny ,,,do you mean its diffrent from your own haze as you believe yours contains other /diffrent genetics ?,,

yeah @harvestreaper that is good question. I always thought seedsman is colombian gold dom... some people who grew both, colombian gold and seedsman, think that it is very similar...

Johnny has always let it be known that his selections are what make his lines, his. I personally believe this is meant to portray that. without his contribution, only an open pollinated Todd's was the main option for haze "pure" repro