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@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Hemp, I don't think you follow. Nothing is a problem.

To jog your memory, Nev came to the MNS forum to clear up all the work he did. Open book, you didn't have to question or second guess anything. Could you even fathom if he didn't

Shanti on the other hand leaves things down to interpretation and lots of semantics. Few "improvements" "proof is in the seed". What is not up for debate is people have no idea what's in the lines he even made @ MNS. Even the CBD work is well documented, lot's of disingenuous things. Even the recent work "holy grail" it's not all coincidence

Unanimously really good guy, everybody knows this.

We're speaking about clarity about the pedigrees. Most can't be bothered and have gone elsewhere

Shanti had nothing to do with the Breeding of Nevils Haze all shanti did was re produce seed from existing selected parental plants that Nevil him self used and past on to Shanti.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
Shanti had nothing to do with the Breeding of Nevils Haze all shanti did was re produce seed from existing selected parental plants that Nevil him self used and past on to Shanti.

I know hemp, making them available for those who want to try. If they’re good they will stick. if not, they’ll be binned. no qualms, either way. It's just a few packs of seed, no big deal.

Later hemp, past my bedtime.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Well I will just say that the 2015 MNS Nevil Haze was not BLD. All NLD plants with the normal looking leaves and the plants all stretched uncontrolably. The jury is out on the overall smoke though. Sure they were overferted but that doesnt mean it was the be all end all of haze. The very next grow of Todd's OHaze came out fantastic as did the subsequent grow of THH. Well maybe I won't flower the NH again afterall...the A5s1 from Karma also came out better, but very low flavor smell and as that one plant came out mostly long flowering NL.

How can you expect any plant to produce its best if you over fertilizer it ?

How many seed did you in fact grow out ?

I found a mom and 2 males in my first seed run but i still had lots more seed and then ran more but my best were in the first 10 seed i ran that dose not mean the others were shit far from it but we go for stand outs.

You guys expect every seed to produce a cannabis cup champion but that is not how it works in any hybrid.

Every seed from Sams OHaze dose not produce winning plants dose it.

How many here have grown Nevils genetics for over 2 decades i bet few if any i have and even when i ran the widow or other things i still had Nevil Haze work growing because its that good.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
I know hemp, making them available for those who want to try. If they’re good they will stick. if not, they’ll be binned. no qualms, either way. It's just a few packs of seed, no big deal.

Later hemp, past my bedtime.

They are available mate that's the point.

No the big deal is people forget Nevil gave shanti the parental plants and no one else and even if you bought the seed from GHS pre 1998/99 it still came from shanti as he was one of the original founders and owner of GHS and the plant guy at GHS.

Nevil sold them seed on consignment the seed was never produced at GHS full stop.

The seed sold early on at Mr Nice was made by Nevil but shanti made no secret of that and when they ran out around 2003/2004 shanti produced fresh seed from the same plants Nevil him self used.

We are talking facts here but some in this thread are making it out that shanti some how offered inferior seed and that's bull shit.
 

harvestreaper

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Yeah, this was Nev's last hurrah in Dam as a consultant far removed from his glory days. Still the same genetics, I guess we will find out soon.

There are also 2 packs of the first release AK47 which I'll include, which you guy's open-source up and divide among yourself. Same source, from the days when Nev, Simon, Adam, Saga were all at Sensi.

those ak47s are a gem worth prerserving imo to a great allrounder ,,,,went thru 50 straight from serious few years back to test if rumours were true ,,sadly they are,,, not one like the old ak
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
Moderator
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Hey hemp ,
rather than guessing ,
why not get a pack of the new stuff and do a grew ,
sounds like you are once again talking about stuff in the past like its the present and telling folks they are full of shit because they see something different to you,

give them the benefit of the doubt and grab some 2022 packs to see whats up ,
its possible at the very least that since shanti has been so busy involving himself in the cbd stuff ,
that someone else now makes mns seed ,in fact its quite likely ,

so rather than yelling at everyone and telling them they dont know what they are on about,
do some actual study on it , get some of the new stuff and see how they grow ...

please think carefully about your reply too,
i dont really like the aggessive tone you take with many who are just speaking casually,
so dont give me that sort of reply please or ill delete it ...
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
When people over fertilize their plants or grow out 3 seed of any strain with all due respect they are in no potion to give an honest opinion of a set strain.

I posted pictures of very Hazey NH being grown by a person growing current Mr Nice Nevils haze in 2021 i dont need to grow current NH as i all ready have NH.

Then we have Funkyhorse claiming one minuet his Nevils Haze were indica then the next saying they grew 5 plus meters out doors 2 meters indoors and were sativa honestly did you over look that or just ignore it.

We have people here attacking the credibility of a seed company who have admitted to over fertilizing there plant or plants we have a guy claiming they were indica then changed it to sativas that grew 5 plus meters.

People growing out current NH are not reporting shit genetics.

Lets keep it honest .

Stop trying to provoke and argument and i honestly dont care what you think.
 

CosmicGiggle

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......If Shanti would not bullshit with genetics, there would not be a need for a ICmag Nevil Haze.....

:rolleyes: Nice attempt at polishing the urn but if you're gonna attempt to lend validity to the effort (which could easily turn commercial ;)) by attaching the name ICmag to the strain, I would at least contact Gypsy and ask for permission first.:tiphat:
 

Donald Mallard

el duck
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When people over fertilize their plants or grow out 3 seed of any strain with all due respect they are in no potion to give an honest opinion of a set strain.

I posted pictures of very Hazey NH being grown by a person growing current Mr Nice Nevils haze in 2021 i dont need to grow current NH as i all ready have NH.

Then we have Funkyhorse claiming one minuet his Nevils Haze were indica then the next saying they grew 5 plus meters out doors 2 meters indoors and were sativa honestly did you over look that or just ignore it.

We have people here attacking the credibility of a seed company who have admitted to over fertilizing there plant or plants we have a guy claiming they were indica then changed it to sativas that grew 5 plus meters.

People growing out current NH are not reporting shit genetics.

Lets keep it honest .

Stop trying to provoke and argument and i honestly dont care what you think.

its not just those 3 , there have been lots of folks saying the same thing ,
unless someone with experience with the strain grows some and reports back
then what are folks to believe??

i can say when i grew nevils haze and mango haze ,
lots of people said there was mostly hay in them with the odd exception,
i didnt find that myself , they were all good , some even better ,

i dont see the point telling folks they are wrong unless you are prepared to prove it somehow ,
the more recent nevils haze seed i grew were pre 2012 ,
the guy i got them from made a point of telling me that ,
because its assumed by many they changed after that ..

so i just had a look and found some at a seed shop , the are mr nice seeds ,
the nevils haze is 115 english pounds ,, geez thats a pricy pack of seed ,
i might think about getting some so i can at least see myself what they are like ,
after all it says this on the descpription ...

""Clones usually finish 2-3 weeks quicker than the seed mother plant and therefore will give the grower a possibility to finish something that normally needs the tropics to grow in.""
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
:rolleyes: Nice attempt at polishing the urn but if you're gonna attempt to lend validity to the effort (which could easily turn commercial ;)) by attaching the name ICmag to the strain, I would at least contact Gypsy and ask for permission first.:tiphat:

Where ya been Giggles? There is already ICMag O-Haze out there spreading like omnicron, hopefully starting a skinny leaf challenge. This is the start of the next wave, and I dig it. Ditto the AK-47!

Speaking of sharing, I have the OHLP male still oozing in pollen, bagged and drying, if you want it. You said you wanted ballz, and it's Valentines day. Besides, I am gonna have a bunch of SKOHLP seeds from that pollen that I will I need to get gone also.
 

RingtailCanyon

Well-known member
What you said is not only funny but the irony "scientific testing done not opinions" and sums everything up to a tee.

I really like Shanti. Huge respect to him. He stuck his neck out their to get medicine to millions, I see that above everything else

This is the haze thread, so I’ll keep it on topic. If you care to know, socioecologist documented what happened in Oregon with the Bulk CBD work. Make of that what you will

I’m aware of the cbd therapy grow socio did and he came up with mixed chemotypes and shanti had claimed the line was %100 type III. He then changed the line to “cbd ghandi”. All shady IMO. I’m sure Scott is a nice guy and all but his vague pedigrees is sus.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
I’m aware of the cbd therapy grow socio did and he came up with mixed chemotypes and shanti had claimed the line was %100 type III. He then changed the line to “cbd ghandi”. All shady IMO. I’m sure Scott is a nice guy and all but his vague pedigrees is sus.

Seems there was no "proof is in the seed" :D tbh the Shanti idioms crack me up.

I'm passing what I have to Sub, he will make it available to you all

Let's not dig out Shanti. It's undeserved he's done a lot for humanity. I'll say it again, I see that above everything else

we're all flawed creatures. The community here is strong, lets keep it that way
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Donor
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I sent the last batch of IC Haze Out on January 27 couple people either haven’t received it or received empty envelopes? so if anyone still waiting( this goes for domestic mail ) please let me know..If you were international let me know anyway if you’re still waiting
 

GreenAndFast

Well-known member
I sent the last batch of IC Haze Out on January 27 couple people either haven’t received it or received empty envelopes? so if anyone still waiting( this goes for domestic mail ) please let me know..If you were international let me know anyway if you’re still waiting

Still waiting mate 👍
 
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