Silicone bumps dry yield 28%

[chilliwilli]

Cannabis smoke and tobacco smoke are not equal. The thc can inhibite some pathways that activate some carcinogenics.

 

[Switcher56]

Cannabis smoke and tobacco smoke are not equal. The thc can inhibite some pathways that activate some carcinogenics.

I've read a portion of your link however, I don't like (the reported) that THC (by itself) is causing this. THC by itself will not IMO prevent it but, the entire plant composition, as different strains have different medicinal properties of which one is anti oxydation. OTOH, inhaling smoke is not good for you. Therefore, we should be looking at removing the "combustion process" entirely from the equation

 

[chilliwilli]

I've read a portion of your link however, I don't like (the reported) that THC (by itself) is causing this. THC by itself will not IMO prevent it but, the entire plant composition, as different strains have different medicinal properties of which one is anti oxydation. OTOH, inhaling smoke is not good for you. Therefore, we should be looking at removing the "combustion process" entirely from the equation

I'm with u vaping is way better than smoking for fast delivery. I think they looked at thc and nicotine since both are the main ingredience in the drug and have receptors in the cells.

My problem with the paper is that the cell test mentioned were with hepatoma cells, not sure if this counts for lung tissue too?
And there is dev more research work needed since the gen that produces the enzyme to activate the carcinogenics is more active under thc but produces less enzymes.

 

[Avenger]

https://w w w. dicalite. com/2021/02/introducing-harvest-hero-growing-media-soil-amendments/

 

[BongFu]

Chemical Farming & The Loss of Human Health - Dr. Zach Bush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw16LPVnNco

Therefore, if you don't believe this guy because it is posted on the tube, what makes your references any more valuable/factual?!

Go back to what I said about cannabis versus tobacco. There is no doubt scientifically that tobacco is more harmful to consumers than cannabis when smoked. However, there is very clear medical evidence that smoked cannabis is harmful to the consumer - particularly to consumers who use regularly.

Oh man so if cannabis and tobacco are grown organically then they aren't harmful to the smoker? That'd be reaching. And hell yeah man, if it's on You Boob it's gotta be credible right lol?

 

[BongFu]

https://w w w. dicalite. com/2021/02/introducing-harvest-hero-growing-media-soil-amendments/

Interesting. https://www.dicalite.com/2021/02/int...il-amendments/ They are making some pretty big claims actually about their product. Frankly, I was a little suspect as to 28% increase in dry bud weight re the research. I definitely see plant health improvements with silica but yield increases I wouldn't say were 28% from my experiences. Maybe 10 - 15% - but that's just my experiences.

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Foliar feeding Si is shown in numerous scientific papers to be far less effective than supplying Si to the roots. Thus, it is advisable to provide Si to the roots and best to not apply foliar sprays of Si because they tend to be an ineffective way of getting Si to the plant tissue.

And on Horsetail as an Si source:

Horsetail (Equisetum arvense L.) has long been attributed to have relatively high contents of water-soluble silicon that could be of benefit for humans. Yet, no specific studies have investigated the silicon content of horsetail to determine silicon levels and availability. Our goal was to determine the silicon content of tea made from horsetail and the extractable silicon from the plants using the solvents hexane, dichloromethane, ethanol, methanol, water, and potassium hydroxide for comparison with the silicon levels in the whole plant. The results demonstrated that the level of silicon in the whole plant is approximately 5% whereas the maximum water-extractable silicon was only 0.3% of the plant. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs...s demonstrated that the,in one slice of bread.

So it actually makes for a very poor source of Si when compared to many other biological sources of Si. [/ see I'm Hands-On when I see other people encounter certain things in these studies that's great it doesn't apply to me unless I've seen those results in my own personal exploits whether it be gardening mechanics life skills I'm not going to read a study because I know how easy it is for these paper works that are published to be manipulated and be how do I say this it's in the interest of the person writing the paper or there's something always underlying like they were there wife works for Monsanto or something twisted like that which is why I've learned from my elders in my the farmers I used to work with try it yourself see what results you get

 

[BongFu]

I've read a portion of your link however, I don't like (the reported) that THC (by itself) is causing this. THC by itself will not IMO prevent it but, the entire plant composition, as different strains have different medicinal properties of which one is anti oxydation. OTOH, inhaling smoke is not good for you. Therefore, we should be looking at removing the "combustion process" entirely from the equation

I think it was Spanish researchers who found THC could inhibit cancer tumours or even eliminate tumours. Bunch of smokers jump on board misinterpreting this and conclude smoking cannabis is good for you The part they didn't consider was all the other chemicals in smoked cannabis that are irritants to the airway and lungs and the fact that yes this research did show THC could potentially be used to treat cancer but as they were injecting pure THC directly into tumours (or something to that effect) this is a very different thing than smoking THC along with a bunch of other chemicals.

 

[Switcher56]

Go back to what I said about cannabis versus tobacco. There is no doubt scientifically that tobacco is more harmful to consumers than cannabis when smoked. However, there is very clear medical evidence that smoked cannabis is harmful to the consumer - particularly to consumers who use regularly.

Oh man is so if cannabis and tobacco are grown organically then they aren't harmful to the smoker? That'd be reaching.

You obviously didn't watch it, or you wouldn't be asking the Q

 

[MrBungle]

Only 10-15% yield improvements and not 28% exactly.. then you're doing it all wrong Bong Fu... You are just another putz doing anecdotal experiments in his basement, and then typing about it on a stoner forum

 

[BongFu]

Foliar feeding Si is shown in numerous scientific papers to be far less effective than supplying Si to the roots. Thus, it is advisable to provide Si to the roots and best to not apply foliar sprays of Si because they tend to be an ineffective way of getting Si to the plant tissue.

And on Horsetail as an Si source:

Horsetail (Equisetum arvense L.) has long been attributed to have relatively high contents of water-soluble silicon that could be of benefit for humans. Yet, no specific studies have investigated the silicon content of horsetail to determine silicon levels and availability. Our goal was to determine the silicon content of tea made from horsetail and the extractable silicon from the plants using the solvents hexane, dichloromethane, ethanol, methanol, water, and potassium hydroxide for comparison with the silicon levels in the whole plant. The results demonstrated that the level of silicon in the whole plant is approximately 5% whereas the maximum water-extractable silicon was only 0.3% of the plant. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs...s demonstrated that the,in one slice of bread.

So it actually makes for a very poor source of Si when compared to many other biological sources of Si. [/ see I'm Hands-On when I see other people encounter certain things in these studies that's great it doesn't apply to me unless I've seen those results in my own personal exploits whether it be gardening mechanics life skills I'm not going to read a study because I know how easy it is for these paper works that are published to be manipulated and be how do I say this it's in the interest of the person writing the paper or there's something always underlying like they were there wife works for Monsanto or something twisted like that which is why I've learned from my elders in my the farmers I used to work with try it yourself see what results you get

Yeah I grew up on the land. We used to spray crops with all sorts of poisons. Hell I even used to spray DDT and I worked briefly with a company that used to spray Alar on apples. Really glad I didn't listen to my elders. I'm wondering what you are even trying to say.

Rice Hull ASH, 90% Si. Horse Tail 5% whole plant - 0.3% water extractable Si. It's a poor biological source of silica if silica is what you are looking for. There are far better options, No getting around that.

 

[BongFu]

Only 10-15% yield improvements and not 28% exactly.. then you're doing it all wrong Bong Fu... You are just another putz doing anecdotal experiments in his basement, and then typing about it on a stoner forum

Well no mate, perhaps I am doing it wrong. No problems with that statement. Couple of things about this research BTW. First, it isn't in my understanding peer reviewed. Second, it needs further investigation and no doubt over the years as more and more research is done with hemp and high THC cannabis it will be subject to further investigation.

Oh and edit ----- also this research was done on hemp. I'd actually like to see a study done on high THC cannabis using multiple cultivars, And inline to Weirds claims I'd like to see them measure Si in tissue and bud between soil and hydroponically produced plants grown with silica amendments.

That's the beauty of scientific rigour. It isn't about dogma or opinions; things are scientifically tested and measured. To simply say oh my experiences are this is actually pretty worthless information until it is properly tested. So as I said that was just my own findings - and that is pretty worthless as credible information.

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Yeah I grew up on the land. We used to spray crops with all sorts of poisons. Hell I even used to spray DDT and I worked briefly with a company that used to spray Alar on apples. Really glad I didn't listen to my elders. I'm wondering what you are even trying to say.

Rice Hull ASH, 90% Si. Horse Tail 5% whole plant - 0.3% water extractable Si. It's a poor biological source of silica if silica is what you are looking for. There are far better options, No getting around that.

What I'm trying to say is this if every time somebody came to these forums with a study or graphs showing me what I should do towards my I probably be in an insane asylum right now all I know is that my people lived off of the land I don't know about all these chemicals and stuff because I grew up in a part of the Northeastern United States were luckily for me the hippies that raised me would allow me that s*** near us so I was lucky I guess but in the end of the at the end of a apologize at the end of the day guess what I'm using a voice recorder instead of typing and I don't the grammar police don't bother me people that disagree with me don't bother me what bothers me are people when I responded them saying I don't understand what you're trying to say at the end of the day it's just my opinion for what it's worth

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Smartphones i tell ya
I consider these bad movies but maybe a study shows them jnna different light?

https://youtu.be/fvmBjhxpXwA

 

[MrBungle]

It's not worthless info..... Thats the problem.... It brought a new perspective to the discussion.. just because it was my experience and not a scientific experiment doesn't mean that I might have a piece of knowledge in my experience that could help.... by telling people their experience isn't of value.. Drops the value of this brilliant site

 

[BongFu]

You obviously didn't watch it, or you wouldn't be asking the Q

Actually frankly I didn't watch it. It's off topic. This thread isn't about organic or inorganic farming methods and potential harms associated to either. Seen all these arguments before, back and forth between organic and inorganic agriculture. Any fool knows that certain big Ag practices are less than desirable - particularly when it comes to the use of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides. But what has this to do with silica? Silica is organic and the second most common element in nature. It's everywhere in soils, rivers etc.

 

[BongFu]

It's not worthless info..... Thats the problem.... It brought a new perspective to the discussion.. just because it was my experience and not a scientific experiment doesn't mean that I might have a piece of knowledge in my experience that could help.... by telling people their experience isn't of value.. Drops the value of this brilliant site

Actually, it was worthless information from a scientific perspective. Firstly, you bought bullshit to the table with silica being from the steel industry in presumably some attempt to demonise silica, the second most common element in nature This was a highly flawed claim period. Certainly the silica used in Agriculture as far as I know is not sourced from the steel industry at all. And other than this even if it was who gives a rats if it is properly treated and refined.

Your point about no yield increases re your experiences, I simply said how odd because those are not my findings. Both our claims on this should be taken with a grain of salt - yours and mine; However, when scientific trials are run by scientists under rigorous conditions this information should be taken seriously.

You will note that I don't spout opinions very often. What I post is typically linked to research findings. So when I say smoked cannabis is potentially harmful to users, that is not my opinion. It is said on the basis that this is what science tells us.

 

[MrBungle]

https://www.growertoday.com/amazing-sources-of-plant-silica/ "Some of the available sources of silica for plant growers include

• Slag

A by-product from the industrial processing of iron and other alloys, slag is used as a source of plant silica due to its high solubility and concentration. It is usually a combination of silicon dioxide and metal oxides, but it can also contain metal sulfides and other metals depending on the refining process. When making use of slag as a source of silicon for your rice or sugar cane farm it is best you ensure that it has a high silicon dioxide content so as not to expose your plant to other toxic metals that are not beneficial to its yield. "


https://silicaearth.com/benefits-in-agriculture/ "Today most commercial agriculture-grade silica fertilizers are byproducts of industrial steel production."


Here are some more links and quotes about agricultural silica being sourced from the steel industry

 

[Switcher56]

What I'm trying to say is this if every time somebody came to these forums with a study or graphs showing me what I should do towards my I probably be in an insane asylum right now all I know is that my people lived off of the land I don't know about all these chemicals and stuff because I grew up in a part of the Northeastern United States were luckily for me the hippies that raised me would allow me that s*** near us so I was lucky I guess but in the end of the at the end of a apologize at the end of the day guess what I'm using a voice recorder instead of typing and I don't the grammar police don't bother me people that disagree with me don't bother me what bothers me are people when I responded them saying I don't understand what you're trying to say at the end of the day it's just my opinion for what it's worth

+10

 

[BongFu]

What I'm trying to say is this if every time somebody came to these forums with a study or graphs showing me what I should do towards my I probably be in an insane asylum right now all I know is that my people lived off of the land I don't know about all these chemicals and stuff because I grew up in a part of the Northeastern United States were luckily for me the hippies that raised me would allow me that s*** near us so I was lucky I guess but in the end of the at the end of a apologize at the end of the day guess what I'm using a voice recorder instead of typing and I don't the grammar police don't bother me people that disagree with me don't bother me what bothers me are people when I responded them saying I don't understand what you're trying to say at the end of the day it's just my opinion for what it's worth

I aren't telling you what to do. I am saying follow the science. What others here are trying to do is deny the science. Or in Weirds case raising issues to that science which to date are unfounded (but still could be issues pending science looking into them).

Couple of insights I can give you as someone who grew up on the land and then later worked in the sciences, is science leads practice and practice leads science. So for example, farmers aren't into wasting money on products that don't give them returns. They aren't growing crops that sell for thousands of dollars a kilo and every cent in production counts. So when a scientist sees a farmer using a practice they may not understand why, so they go off and study why this practice may offer benefits. 9 times out of 10 that scientist finds out that indeed that practice offers benefits so practice has led science. Of course what's quite amusing is the scientist who publishes on it gets the credit when in fact it was perhaps something that generations of farmers had discovered but as they never published on it, it doesn't count (publish or perish).

On the other hand, it is a fool of a farmer who doesn't listen to the science because science also leads practice. And if the science is solid this equates to ROI and ROI is critical in farming.

Oh and silica is a chemical. All elements organic or inorganic strictly defined are chemicals. However, from the organic perspective silica is natural - the second most common element on earth (oxygen being number 1). Hell if it's natural it must be good right?