The Haze discussion thread

[Hammerhead]

I dont know of any other person that has contributed as much as Nevil in the Seed industry or of any others the US Government tried to Kidnap from Holland for cannabis do you ?.

I have seen a lot of personal attacks directed towards Nevil by set people in this forum lots of members know whats going on there not blind.

LOL, Do you have a shrine in your basement? Many do not post on message boards. Many have suffered at the hands of the drug war way more than Nevil ever did. Everyone that makes seeds has haters dude. It is what it is. You can't make everyone happy.

 

[@hempy]

LOL, Do you have a shrine in your basement? Many do not post on message boards. Many have suffered at the hands of the drug war way more than Nevil ever did. Everyone that makes seeds has haters dude. It is what it is. You can't make everyone happy.

The difference between me and you Hammer is i don't go out of my way to put people down no one here is saying the drug war has not had an impact on peoples lives it has and continues to have great impact on many.

Why rubbish some one you know little about Hammer Nevil was a friend asking if i have a shrine for Nevil only a few days out from his 2 year anniversary is bad form and i would of expected better from even you.

Im not the one attacking people here others are and we all know who they are.

 

[Hammerhead]

The difference between me and you Hammer is i don't go out of my way to put people down no one here is saying the drug war has not had an impact on peoples lives it has and continues to have great impact on many.

Why rubbish some one you know little about Hammer Nevil was a friend asking if i have a shrine for Nevil only a few days out from his 2 year anniversary is bad form and i would of expected better from even you.

Im not the one attacking people here others are and we all know who they are.

We all choose our friends our own way. I need to meet people many times before I call them a friend. You can call Nevil your friend, nothing wrong with missing someone but you def go off the deep end with a Nevil worshiping type of deal. As I've said the world doesn't revolve around your Nevil opinions. Homework for today is being able to agree to disagree without thinking your being attacked.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

No, panama does not contain Neville haze, it is a description error made by some retailer, who then went around the web ... Montuno it is Malawi from ace?

Thanks willy....I just through it strange that some other things on phylos are linking back to nevils work too...but il take your word for panama...its just some one asked me about it...so thanks for your help.

 

[@hempy]

We all choose our friends our own way. I need to meet people many times before I call them a friend. You can call Nevil your friend, nothing wrong with missing someone but you def go off the deep end with a Nevil worshiping type of deal. As I've said the world doesn't revolve around your Nevil opinions. Homework for today is being able to agree to disagree without thinking your being attacked.

Hammer lets put this into perspective i posted pointed out some facts about Nevil you reacted and came at me down playing Nevil's contributions and his decades long war with the US government who tried to kidnap him from Holland. You then insult me claiming i have a shrine of Nevil in my basement bad form.

Its not my opinion Hammer it is all documented history about a key player in the cannabis community the father of the seed industry the guy that collected genetics and help spread them to all corners of the world.

The guy that many ripped off and continue to cash in off to this day.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Lets analize what real haze is...as some people call it...I see some people going on about a line that has the ability to produce pure purple little plants...there certainly not haze as sam as well others directly around at the time the haze brothers were doing there grows will say ther was never no pure purple plants ...the leaves were green but the buds would go a mouve or purpley colour on some...there werent no squat pure purple plants that look like the first versions of the south african that came Holland with sam....so those going on about hybrids being inferior and going on about real haze yet are talking about this line that can produce these funny completely purple minty plants dont have a clue.
so these plants pictured dont come from any real haze...you will never find these coming out of any pure haze that comes from sam....so its obviously a hybrid line.

 

[willydread]

Thanks willy....I just through it strange that some other things on phylos are linking back to nevils work too...but il take your word for panama...its just some one asked me about it...so thanks for your help.

Years ago I also found a description that mentioned Nevil haze, I asked both Dubi and kaiki for information, who told me the same thing, a description error ...

 

[Donald Mallard]

Lets analize what real haze is...as some people call it...I see some people going on about a line that has the ability to produce pure purple little plants...there certainly not haze as sam as well others directly around at the time the haze brothers were doing there grows will say ther was never no pure purple plants ...the leaves were green but the buds would go a mouve or purpley colour on some...there werent no squat pure purple plants that look like the first versions of the south african that came Holland with sam....so those going on about hybrids being inferior and going on about real haze yet are talking about this line that can produce these funny completely purple minty plants dont have a clue.
so these plants pictured dont come from any real haze...you will never find these coming out of any pure haze that comes from sam....so its obviously a hybrid line.

is that first pic tom hills haze darkie??

i wonder if in different conditions , things might turn out slightly different ,
ie if it was a little colder than where sam saw and the haze brothers grew,
might the plants get a bit more color about them ??

 

[Guest]

Tom hill haze oil made from seeded bracts.

 

[Hammerhead]

Hammer lets put this into perspective i posted pointed out some facts about Nevil you reacted and came at me down playing Nevil's contributions and his decades long war with the US government who tried to kidnap him from Holland. You then insult me claiming i have a shrine of Nevil in my basement bad form.

Its not my opinion Hammer it is all documented history about a key player in the cannabis community the father of the seed industry the guy that collected genetics and help spread them to all corners of the world.

The guy that many ripped off and continue to cash in off to this day.

It's all opinions Hempy I digress....



Here are 2 P53 Pheno's I like. The bottom plant has the densest flowers and prob the largest yielder. I ran 5 testers in this run. I'm keeping #30... I have 2 more P53 seeds in the veg room left to run. All turned out awesome.

 

[@hempy]

Lets analize what real haze is...as some people call it...I see some people going on about a line that has the ability to produce pure purple little plants...there certainly not haze as sam as well others directly around at the time the haze brothers were doing there grows will say ther was never no pure purple plants ...the leaves were green but the buds would go a mouve or purpley colour on some...there werent no squat pure purple plants that look like the first versions of the south african that came Holland with sam....so those going on about hybrids being inferior and going on about real haze yet are talking about this line that can produce these funny completely purple minty plants dont have a clue.
so these plants pictured dont come from any real haze...you will never find these coming out of any pure haze that comes from sam....so its obviously a hybrid line.

Sam had posted saying even the Haze brothers did not agree on what haze was to start with then having people 50 years later who were not there lecture us on what real haze is comical they should spend more time researching than posting rubbish.

I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS

 

[@hempy]

Both Sam and Nevil played key rolls in Haze and it being spread far n wide and that should be celebrated and not turned into a reason to argue and insult others because you don't like Sam or you don't like Nevil.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

Both Sam and Nevil played key rolls in Haze and it being spread far n wide and that should be celebrated and not turned into a reason to argue and insult others because you don't like Sam or you don't like Nevil.

..... but it always comes back to the central argument, Nevil's Haze is not Haze, it's a NL hybrid, which makes it a false equivalence.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

..... but it always comes back to the central argument, Nevil's Haze is not Haze, it's a NL hybrid, which makes it a false equivalence.

Point is at f1 it was still the only thing preserved one generation removed..be that however...the hazeA was lost prematurely...other wise the preservation may have been different....
its just like I saw someone say afew posts back how the a5 was taken an put to the malawi and panama and for sativa lovers gave out some wonderful sativa plants....sounds familiar...only nevil used a more sativa a5 and hit it to a more satvia plant than those mentiond above...a pure long flowering haze male of a certain percentage of diferering blood...why would that not push the sativa boundary further than those above...and it actually did...and remained the only thing preserved one generation removed of legit haze.

 

[Koondense]

Very well put, DarkStorm.
Cheers

 

[herbgreen]

mango haze is ....

Haze A x Skunk #1 X NL5 x Haze C

This must have been done before plants or parents or whatever was lost?

Mango haze has some delightful smoke to be found better than most

Dark what you think of mango haze project did you get to test any early stuff involved with that or the HazeA was only a male or what?

 

[Hammerhead]

mango haze is ....

Haze A x Skunk #1 X NL5 x Haze C

This must have been done before plants or parents or whatever was lost?

Mango haze has some delightful smoke to be found better than most

Dark what you think of mango haze project did you get to test any early stuff involved with that or the HazeA was only a male or what?

Isn't crossing Haze A to C inbreeding or is this not what Sam is referring to?. Has anyone done any inbreeding and seen poor results? Looks like OH s1 are good. What about Backcrossing. I've been thinking about BX my best A5hbx cross.

All of my P53s which is A5hbx x Fp)x(A5hbx x Mac has produced exceptional plants. This is more of a bx to make a reg seed line. I want to bx it a few more times. In fact, all of the projects involving A5hbx have been a game changer in quality...

 

[@hempy]

mango haze is ....

Haze A x Skunk #1 X NL5 x Haze C

This must have been done before plants or parents or whatever was lost?

Mango haze has some delightful smoke to be found better than most

Dark what you think of mango haze project did you get to test any early stuff involved with that or the HazeA was only a male or what?

The Sk/HzA was seed Nevil made that he past on to shanti and the 5HzC was a plant called 122 that shanti picked that came from the plants Nevil ran from seed and selected i wont give away to much about the 122 but will say the plant i called OTHER looked smelt smoked just like 122 going by shanti. I preferred Queeny she was the closest i have found to LSD in a plant to date the Thai is almost as close were the HzC or 122 had a more old school Colombian high.

The Mango Haze test seed were handed out to 10 people in the Mr Nice forum at Cannabis world of the 10 only me and Jesse completed the grow were most if not all of the rest culled them as they grew and acted like jungle sativas big mistake on there part.The released Mango haze was re worked to be more user friendly.

At the same time as the Mango Haze test seed were handed out a SkHz a test seed line was also sent out that was called Shit Haze again no one but me did a grow thread that was never released and i believe that was SKHzA. Why do i say that well the plants again were like the Mango Haze test seed minus the Mango smell the skunk haze that got released many years later looks nothing like them.

Flower from Queeny

Flower from the MH i called OTHER

 

[@hempy]

Isn't crossing Haze A to C inbreeding or is this not what Sam is referring to?. Has anyone done any inbreeding and seen poor results? Looks like OH s1 are good. What about Backcrossing. I've been thinking about BX my best A5hbx cross.

All of my P53s which is A5hbx x Fp)x(A5hbx x Mac has produced exceptional plants. This is more of a bx to make a reg seed line. I want to bx it a few more times. In fact, all of the projects involving A5hbx have been a game changer in quality...

Pure Haze and Pure Haze is inbreeding and that is what resulted in hay going by Nevil but when you out cross HzA to an unrelated line then select a plant that is special as Nevil did and then back cross it to HzC you get magic and that was called Nevil's Haze.

 

[Hammerhead]

Pure Haze and Pure Haze is inbreeding and that is what resulted in hay going by Nevil but when you out cross HzA to an unrelated line then select a plant that is special as Nevil did and then back cross it to HzC you get magic and that was called Nevil's Haze.

Yes, unrelated. Haze A and Haze C are related. This would be inbreeding.