New sub-forum suggestion...12/12 from seed

[Guest]

lofty, you're a little late with those seedlings brother,
you needed to give them maximum light intensity right from the start.

seedlings aren't like clones that need gentle lighting in the beginning.

To start with :
The succes of his method depends a lot on the speed of development in the first 3 weeks. you must grow strong wide and very short seedlings . start with lots of light right away.

 

[Lofty]

lofty, you're a little late with those seedlings brother,
you needed to give them maximum light intensity right from the start.

seedlings aren't like clones that need gentle lighting in the beginning.

OK i'll get som mor in wet tissue and hav them in the grow room wen they pop.

Cheers SatGost, peace out

 

[foomar]

Have plants that vary widely in response to short veg times and expect different strains from seed to be similar.
Possibly the data from seed would correlate with zero veg clones that are known yielders.
Feel there is enougth potential knowledge to be gained to warant setting up a sub forum centered on zero veg time from seed or clone.

Since this thread started have got a friend growing for the first time who could not manage a conventional grow but can cope with the simplicity of this , starting with my cuts and moveing on to femmed seed when he feels able.

Have known people who have been put off growing after visiting a hydro shop believeing it too expensive and complicated for them but this simplifies what you need to set up.

 

[Lofty]

foomar i'm may have misunderstood the concept of 12/12 from seed but i dont think from clone works the same.

mayb Hal or atmosphere can answer these questions:

can u root cones then use 12/12 method?

if seeds were germed in veg for 1 week then put on 12/12 wats the outcome.

 

[Hal]

Yeah, I would like to hear from Atmosphere on this as well. I have been wondering how using clones would respond to 12/12 lighting from the get-go.

Considering that it takes about 2 to 3 weeks for the plant to show its sex, would that same 2 to 3 weeks be able to serve as the time frame for the cutting to develop its root system?

If so...using clones would complicate this method in the "space required" department (extra space for the mother plants), but it would simplify also, by keeping the garden's canopy at an even height (clones all grow the same..), and would additionally allow the grower to select a superior plant and continuously reproduce its genotype.

Atmosphere...care to chime in?

 

[atmosphere]

well i dont think the 2l bottles where the problem exactly... it was probly a combination of crappy soil (not good drainage, very heavy etc) and i sexed in very small containers.. they might of turned around and been fine now that i look back and think about it, because they were only 31 days old when killed.and probly had alot more stretch to go.but ill never know now. which is why it sucks so much..this time im going to add some perlite to the mix for better drainage.i think thats where the majority of my problems came from..ill start a thread when i get a digital cam , i have a cell phone cam but im to paranoid to use it on live plants..it sucks starting over when i could of had my harvest mid march...yikes...

I never get drain from my soil, because by then the soil would be already too wet, hdro /rockwool is a different story . To measure the amount of water in my soil i use a tensiometer ,a sort of artificial root with a display. It tells you when you need to water

 

[Haggis123]

After reading this post a few weeks ago I thought it was worth a go and I must say I am very happy with the results so far.
I am currently on day 3 of week 4 of 12/12 and the "bud is a coming".
It looks like we are going to have a nice single kola "donkey's dick" style.
The plant is a Nirvana AK48 and is staying nice and short and compact which fits in with what I was looking for.
I aint looking for a massive yields off this, as it is only to get me through until my 8 clones of Dutch Passion Orange Bud are done.

But I would definately give it a go, again if my current results are anything to go by......who needs moosive trees anyway.


P.S
Pics aint all that good as were taken on the wifes phone.

 

[Hal]

Hey Haggis...

Sweet, looks like it will produce nicely. Can ya give some more info, such as: what kind of light are you using on it; what day did it reveal its sex on; how tall is it at this point; what size is that pot you have it growing in?

Thanks for joining in the grow efforts!

 

[A.N.Other]

Considering that it takes about 2 to 3 weeks for the plant to show its sex, would that same 2 to 3 weeks be able to serve as the time frame for the cutting to develop its root system?

The difference here is the age of the plant. The cutting is the same age as the parental plant and therefore mature and probably from a plant that has already been sexed. The seedling is 0 days old and IMO needs the initial 2 - 3 weeks to bring itself to sexual maturity, show sex and begin to flower.

If so...using clones would complicate this method in the "space required" department (extra space for the mother plants), but it would simplify also, by keeping the garden's canopy at an even height (clones all grow the same..), and would additionally allow the grower to select a superior plant and continuously reproduce its genotype.

Given you have already devoted hypothetical space to keeping mums then why not root clones under the same lighting as the mums are under?

Peace and love to all open minded heads.

 

[foomar]

Would a just emerged seed grown plant and a 3 - 4 day just rooted clone be expected to give a similar yield in the same timeframe ?

 

[Haggis123]

Hey Haggis...

Sweet, looks like it will produce nicely. Can ya give some more info, such as: what kind of light are you using on it; what day did it reveal its sex on; how tall is it at this point; what size is that pot you have it growing in?

Thanks for joining in the grow efforts!

Hi Hal,
I'm growing under a 400w HPS,
It revealed sex around 17 days from popping it's head up through the rooting plug,
Current height I cant check at the moment until 8pm GMT as thats when my light comes on,
The pot size is 1.5 litre with a Grodan rockwool cube and Hydroton clay balls,
I feed it Canna nutes, current EC of 1.3 or 2.1 if you want to take into account the EC of the tap water which is around 0.8.

I will re-post in around 1/2 hour with the plant height when the light comes on.

O.K just measured the height, currently 12.5 inches/ 32cm's.

 

[Haggis123]

Hi guys, just thought I would correct the post above.
I got my dates slightly wrong last night, we are on day 3 of week 5 and not day 3 of week 4, as posted earlier.

 

[atmosphere]

foomar i'm may have misunderstood the concept of 12/12 from seed but i dont think from clone works the same.

mayb Hal or atmosphere can answer these questions:

can u root cones then use 12/12 method?.

yes you can.

if seeds were germed in veg for 1 week then put on 12/12 wats the outcome.

larger plants, but not that different from starting 12/12 right away.

 

[Lofty]

thanks atmosphere i 'll carry on with it then. i'll post pics and updates as it goes on, back to the same think now Hal, i'm guna use a 600hps unless anyone says dif.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

I put "rooted" clones straight on 12/12 before. I am not sure that's what yall mean right? I got a cutting with roots about 3 inches long, I put it in soil and into flower. I got one nice, big bud off of it. The stone was great, it was just small.

This is a great thread btw.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

I'm curious, does anyone here have a seed to finish 12/12 grow thread on IC? I'd like to see one.

 

[Haggis123]

In response to Pieceofmyheart's question.
No, were talking about 12/12 from seed not clones.

 

[Guest]

theres a fatty 12/12 grow on here but it probably got lost in all the crazyness of those haters. I dont remember where it is. I know lougrew has done it...it may have been his. i wont argue with that guy cause his balls are bigger than my head. like each one is the size of my head. Um anyways i started 12/12 after 2 weeks fed worm poop from terracycle. Its been 1 week of 12/12 im feeding floranova bloom nutes. What would other people recommend or what are you doing. Also in equatorial zones the grow indicas. If anyone has seen the mass grows in jamaica they have spears poppin up everywhere. Efficient for them. In fact its taking place of many of their sativas well for commercial atleast. They probably stash the lambsbread.

peace

 

[BeAn]

i wont argue with that guy cause his balls are bigger than my head. like each one is the size of my head.

LOL..that made me laugh like hell. Nice one dude.

On the topic, i think there should be a new sub-forum...and more growers running pure sativa's under a few MH, under 12/12 seed to bud. When i re-locate and can dedicate a whole room to Ganja growing this will be the plan, so any info prior to this would be of great help to oneself.

Keep it green n sticky..

 

[onthatlevel]

I'm curious, does anyone here have a seed to finish 12/12 grow thread on IC? I'd like to see one.

I did some strawberry diesel from seed to finish on 12/12. The link is in my sig.