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    here are a listing of chemicals listed in the first few posts

    which are excerpts of the entire thread.

    i found this website googling, im not endorsing or paid , they just list most stuff u wont find at a bigbox store.
    most of these listings are less than 40$ and are in most cases the strongest concentrations for the money

    these are mostly harmless to really nasty kill death for humans.

    use at your own risk, and research away


    FenvaStar Plus Esfenvalerate 8.4%
    https://www.domyown.com/fenvastar-pl...84-p-2520.html

    Emamectin benzoate (proclaim) syngenta
    https://www.domyown.com/optigard-coc...t-p-17608.html

    Acephate (https://search.domyown.com/search?w=Acephate&apelog=yes)
    https://www.domyown.com/bonide-syste...ol-p-1533.html
    97up
    https://www.domyown.com/acephate-97u...de-p-2751.html

    Gamma-cyhalothrin
    Scion 5.9%
    https://www.domyown.com/scion-insecticide-p-21868.html

    Imidacloprid ( https://search.domyown.com/search?w=...rid&apelog=yes)
    https://www.domyown.com/imidacloprid...b-p-16617.html 75%

    cypermethrin
    demon wp
    https://www.domyown.com/demon-wp-insecticide-p-74.html 40%

    pymetrozine (endeavor)
    https://search.domyown.com/search?w=...ine&apelog=yes

    Pyriproxyfen (distance)
    pivot 10% https://www.domyown.com/pivot-10-igr...te-p-2147.html

    Fenoxycarb
    preclude
    https://search.domyown.com/search?w=...arb&apelog=yes

    Beauveria bassiana
    https://www.domyown.com/bioceres-wp-p-17144.html
    https://www.domyown.com/botanigard-e...e-p-10265.html



    Novaluron - 1.3% Pyriproxyfen - 1.3%
    https://www.domyown.com/tekko-pro-in...r-p-10273.html

    bifenthrin
    Bifen IT 7.9%
    https://www.domyown.com/bifen-it-p-226.html


    Dinotefuran
    safari
    https://www.domyown.com/safari-20sg-...ml?sub_id=1365
    alpine
    https://www.domyown.com/alpine-wsg-p...l?sub_id=23028

    pyrethrin
    https://www.domyown.com/southern-ag-...te-p-2102.html
    https://www.domyown.com/exciter-inse...l?sub_id=19024

    Chlorpyrifos
    https://www.domyown.com/drexel-chlor...g-p-21792.html

    Non Chem:
    Nematodes/Predators/BioAgents

    Beauveria bassiana
    https://www.domyown.com/bioceres-wp-p-17144.html
    https://www.domyown.com/botanigard-e...e-p-10265.html


    steinerneman feltia
    https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/coll...l-exterminator

    Stratiolaelaps scimitus
    https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/prod...12-500-insects

    Dalotia coriaria
    https://www.naturesgoodguys.com/prod...otknow-control

    BTI/BTK
    BTI: gnatrol or dunks
    BTK
    thuricide https://www.domyown.com/southern-ag-...ol-p-8938.html
    https://www.domyown.com/dipel-pro-df...de-p-2361.html
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      TL;DR
      i bought some orthene fire ant killer from lowes on sunday
      its 50% acephate powder
      i mixed 5g per gallon of water into the food for that day, along with some hygrozime and superthrive


      everything in the clone tent had been devastated , nothing but dead brown roots in everyhting
      my moms are just looking raggedy and just fucked up as well
      the gg4 and anodine are the worst , but the wedding cake, ogkb 2.0 and the gluetonic seem to be more or less handling things better

      anyways

      i fed them the acephate meal and have been waiting till everything drys out in the pots
      since the roots are mostly dead on everything , its taken till today to be dry enough to feed them
      on the tops of the soil, i can see the acephate collecting into tiny clumps, very similar to the wax that aphids leave. im pretty sure it isnt wax. i cannot see anything moving or even remotely buglike in any of the pots , save for a moth of some kind under one of the moms
      best part is that im seeing brand new fuzzy white roots in the clones again

      since the fans are mostly all affected , some with fade others w necrolysis
      i decided i would try a foliar feed to see if that helps the plants through both sides
      i used flowers kiss for the foliar feed btw

      and to feed them today , i used triazicide at 3oz/gal in their food mix
      (i had been using this at 1.5oz/gl), along w a shot of hygrozime and backed off the food strength from 1.8 ish to about .95
      as i see a consistent edge burn from the new food/strength

      im going to let these girls dry out again before feeding them again

      ill let you know if i kill these bugs and or girls or not

      TBH i had these things under control-ish and kinda slacked off the 3-5 day treatments
      big mistake
      also , my home has had drain flys for the last 2 summers, i wasnt even growing last summer... i cant figure out how to rid them but ive noticed a significat decrease since using the acephate
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        Way to stay with it. Fingers crossed the acephate powder knocks em down for the count.

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          Originally posted by Boyd Crowder View Post
          also , my home has had drain flys for the last 2 summers, i wasnt even growing last summer... i cant figure out how to rid them but ive noticed a significat decrease since using the acephate
          Had those before, very annoying.
          They established themselves in floor drain p-traps and bathroom sink overflow system, inside the sink where you cant really clean.
          Both places were fixed with large amounts of near boiling water.
          Preheat ceramic sinks first by filling with hot water to lessen possibly of cracking from drastic temperature change.
          A gallon through overflow hole and a couple of gallons down floor drain did the trick for me.
          This also put a stop to occasional mosquito in the winter time that previously boggled my mind.
          Good luck.
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            Once identified it was easy to kill drain flies. Few big pots of boiling water down every drain in the house with a follow up a few days later and they are all gone. Now if I even think I see one I boil some water. Problem solved. I do not even consider them in a garden problem any more.


            They sure we're annoying as hell back when I was treating them as a gnat or aphid.

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              Originally posted by caljim View Post
              Way to stay with it. Fingers crossed the acephate powder knocks em down for the count.
              i have some wifi bagseeds , im planning on trying to pop a few , then into some acephate treated coco, then just water in the gch/imid every time

              Originally posted by I wood View Post
              Had those before, very annoying.
              They established themselves in floor drain p-traps and bathroom sink overflow system, inside the sink where you cant really clean.
              Both places were fixed with large amounts of near boiling water.
              Preheat ceramic sinks first by filling with hot water to lessen possibly of cracking from drastic temperature change.
              A gallon through overflow hole and a couple of gallons down floor drain did the trick for me.
              This also put a stop to occasional mosquito in the winter time that previously boggled my mind.
              Good luck.
              gonna give this a try
              Originally posted by bigtacofarmer View Post
              Once identified it was easy to kill drain flies. Few big pots of boiling water down every drain in the house with a follow up a few days later and they are all gone. Now if I even think I see one I boil some water. Problem solved. I do not even consider them in a garden problem any more.


              They sure we're annoying as hell back when I was treating them as a gnat or aphid.
              these things are worse than:
              spider mites
              broad mites
              thrips
              no weed in the stash

              anyone wanna add to this list?

              im hoping the wifi experiment works out
              i have some hammerhead and karma testers i wanna get started with along with a few mycotek and other kool beans to try

              last two times i tried to pop some beans were an unmitigated disaster.
              all because i didnt understand the ferocity nor the presence of these root aphids.
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                Originally posted by Boyd Crowder View Post
                these things are worse than:
                spider mites
                broad mites
                thrips
                no weed in the stash

                anyone wanna add to this list?

                im hoping the wifi experiment works out
                i have some hammerhead and karma testers i wanna get started with along with a few mycotek and other kool beans to try

                last two times i tried to pop some beans were an unmitigated disaster.
                all because i didnt understand the ferocity nor the presence of these root aphids.

                RA's are definitely the worst thing I have experienced, I def feel your pain. Next worst thing for me is black twig borers that are only 1mm in size and carry fusarium...big headache for me growing outside in HI. Nothing like seeing big healthy plants branches wilt one by one until the whole plants dies in mid-flower.



                I got rid of RA's with 10 minute IMID soaks plus 2 months of veg on the strains I cared about. Havent seen them since thankfully. I tried all the organic stuff first and none of it was phasing them at all. I think the bastards came with some non-canna plants I got from a local nursery.

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                  Originally posted by kalopatchkid View Post
                  RA's are definitely the worst thing I have experienced, I def feel your pain. Next worst thing for me is black twig borers that are only 1mm in size and carry fusarium...big headache for me growing outside in HI. Nothing like seeing big healthy plants branches wilt one by one until the whole plants dies in mid-flower.



                  I got rid of RA's with 10 minute IMID soaks plus 2 months of veg on the strains I cared about. Havent seen them since thankfully. I tried all the organic stuff first and none of it was phasing them at all. I think the bastards came with some non-canna plants I got from a local nursery.
                  thats funny you mention it
                  i have done some rootball soaks thatseemed to knock them out thorughly , but6 then laziness came in and wiped me back out
                  lol

                  ill prolly do a soak again next feed
                  i just hate the mess and having chemicals splahing on me and everywhere

                  but they look much happier this morning after feeding w GCH and especially promisinig , topsides seem to respond to the foliar as i suspected
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                    I'm gonna say foliar feeds are the way to keep little.ones in the game while reestablishing their root systems. My littlest clones are bouncing back . Wait till medium dries completely , the feed w gch or imid mixed ed in and phd for the win
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                      Whats the best preventive measures in an organic living soil to save myself the hassle of ever having to deal with an infestation?
                      Last edited by Clayton_Bigsby; 10-29-2020, 21:55.
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                        Originally posted by Clayton_Bigsby View Post
                        Whats the best preventive measures in an organic living soil to save myself the hassle of ever having to deal with an infestation?
                        Gnatrol
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                          if you have gnats i wouldn't worry to much unless its really a problem, if numbers stay low they are fine.
                          if you cant handle it, buy some Diatomaceous earth 2-4mm bags not the powder... and top dress your plants and wrap the buckets in tights. 2 weeks later remove the top dress layer. job done.
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                            Originally posted by stashpot View Post
                            if you have gnats i wouldn't worry to much unless its really a problem, if numbers stay low they are fine.
                            if you cant handle it, buy some Diatomaceous earth 2-4mm bags not the powder... and top dress your plants and wrap the buckets in tights. 2 weeks later remove the top dress layer. job done.
                            While they are top dressed with D.E feed water from below as little as you can.. you don't want to get the D.E wet...
                            So I normally pour my water/feed into a tray then put the bucket into it and leave for 5 mins it will absorb the water.
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                              I have a huge fungus gnat problem. I got some gnatrol and hit with 2 teaspoons per gallon twice now. That is the medium infestation application rate. The label says to hit 3 times in 15 days. I already hit twice and the infestation seems worse if anything! My plants are looking terrible and getting worse everyday!

                              Im going to hit with the max application rate (3 Teaspoons) tomorrow. I also have some Root and Foliar pack tea brewing for the application tomorrow as well. If this doesn't work. I don't know what else to do.
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                                Originally posted by Clayton_Bigsby View Post
                                I have a huge fungus gnat problem.
                                Make sure that they are actually fungus gnats and not root aphids.
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