The Original O'l Farts Club.

[oldmaninbc]

Yes - Mrs N - will visit today - and bring me a bunch of edible goodies - as she always does - the pain meds showed up - and I did wrangle another hour of Zzzz's - and its still only 3am - so I expect I'll wander off into slumbering again - in a while - doesn't anyone have a current number for Boo?

Hospitals are the worst place to try and get a proper rest, I bet your looking to get back home. Get back to the routine. Well, after your convalescence time.

I had my butt operated on because of hemorrhoids and was told I should not leave the hospital until my first bowel movement(took 8 days). It was spring and there was a crop in waiting so I left the hospital before the bowel movement . Man, did I ever regret that decision. I could have used a truck load of pain meds after that experience.

 

[HempKat]

YEP... IMO also

Don't like codeine as I will rub a scab on the end of my nose, weirdly enough.

I've never used vicodin for pain, It was used solely for house cleaning

I have similar responses with herb also.

What I've noticed about narcotics like codeine, hydracodone and oxycodone. Is that when taken as a drug for fun they give you that sort of woozy feelinng but otherwise can keep you up for hours but if you have a legitimate source of pain for which it's prescribed you don't feel the woozy feeling as much and it has less of a stimulating effect but it does reduce the pain and if you lie down to relax it can put you to sleep easier then normal. Now I've never noticed this when taking it for pain (mainly because sex is the last thing I'm thinking about when I'm in pain) but when taking it for fun, at least for me it's harder to get an erection and it takes much, much longer to reach orgasm. Of course it also has that annoying tendency to constipate you if you're not careful.

 

[Kimes]

Same as any other mister setup gonna need to top off and refill often.
Then the roots will clog the sprayers and you will get rot my guess.

Had a hunch that the roots will overgrow, but wasn't shure. This settles it, I'll use it to clone then.. Well, had to voice my great idea anyhow I guess..

 

[oldmaninbc]

Yeah, chronic pain is a whole different animal, wearing a person down is a good way to describe it. Even in the overall scheme of things it isn't severe pain, if you can't get some relief from the day after day after day pressure of it, it can make a person suicidal. What you quote of a previous message of mine was more in the context of episidal pain that is triggered by a particular event and then goes away after you recover from it.

I'm glad to hear you found others like you, it can be very frustrating when people just don't understand or worse yet react to your pain like you're making more out of it then it really is. Pain is different for everyone, we all understand the concept of pain because we all experience it at one time or another but for each of us it's different. Two people could experience the same source of pain such as a broken bone in the hand as an example and for one person it can be fairly minor and just be achy while for the other person it can be almost debilitating.

Thanks for your comment and clarifying your statement. Context is everything.

As a young person I recall my mother having a condition called Ankylosing spondylitis. No family doctor was able to diagnose her condition, she suffered. My stepfather doubted her condition and I remember my Mom acting very angrily towards him one day.
It wasn't until she was able to travel out of town to a specialist who was able to diagnose her condition. Putting the unnamed condition to rest.

Even now as an older man I can remember my Mom's frustration with not being able to put a name to her condition and people doubting her.

 

[bigsur51]

smoking some gorilla x gods Afghani that a friend dropped off the other day , we traded some flavors and this one smells good , looks good , and tastes good

 

[HempKat]

Back from my walk. Lake was like glass today. Hardly any boats......means nobody is catching fish. Including me. Haven't had the boat out once this year. Been to cold. I am going on fishing trip soon. Hopefully the water temp will get up to 60f by then.

Need to get out and mow the field out back. If I don't my mower will hate me.


My back has killed me since I turned 50 or so. Worn out. I just started taking steroid shot in my spine and It has helped. I get the 3rd in a series of 3 this Thursday. Then every 6 months or so for the rest of my life or as long as I can tolerate it. And you are right oldmaninbc....wears me out.

Off to mow.

Sounds like you could have the same condition I have which is called spinal stenosis perhaps from a ruptured or partially ruptured disk but more likely (since it came on with time and slowly it could be from srthritic growth. In either case arthritic growth or ruptured disk it presses on the nerves in that area of your back and it's that pressure on the nerves that makes it spinal stenosis. Now a steady course of pain meds can take care of it well enough to leave you near fully functional but thn there are all the side effects that come with that.

As you also know from your experience spinal injections can help but from everyone I've known who went that route, in time they stop helping. For me they never helped so that was never a viable option. There is another treatment I've learned about lately called Radio Frequency Ablation or RFA for short. It's done thru a procss very simialr to a spinal injection but instead of injecting you with something there is something at the end of the needle that literally burns the nerve endings. The nerve endings do grow back requiring the process to be repeated every so often but during that period that they remained burned the affected area that the nerve responds to is unable to send the pain signals to the brain and so no pain. They minimum period one must wait before getting it done again is 6 months but for most people it takes about a year for the nerves to heal. The nice thing about it, or so I'm told is that everytime you get it done, it takes a little bit longer for the nerves to heal thereby increasing the length of time it's effective. After enough RFA's it can take years for the neerves to heal. In fact I just got an RFA done today. It's the second one I've had so my experience is limited but for the time it is working you can almost do without the pain meds. Still you don't want to give them up entirely because it is possible to overdo things that causes worse then usual pain and for those moments it's good to still have the pain meds. You might want to talk to your doctor about whether or not that's a viable option for you. I had it done in two areas of the lumbar region in my back and the whole process took about 15-20 minutes. When getting it done it doesn't feel much different then a spinal injection but it is slightly more painful but not much.

 

[oldmaninbc]

What I've noticed about narcotics like codeine, hydracodone and oxycodone. Is that when taken as a drug for fun they give you that sort of woozy feelinng but otherwise can keep you up for hours but if you have a legitimate source of pain for which it's prescribed you don't feel the woozy feeling as much and it has less of a stimulating effect but it does reduce the pain and if you lie down to relax it can put you to sleep easier then normal. Now I've never noticed this when taking it for pain (mainly because sex is the last thing I'm thinking about when I'm in pain) but when taking it for fun, at least for me it's harder to get an erection and it takes much, much longer to reach orgasm. Of course it also has that annoying tendency to constipate you if you're not careful.

Sex or pain, I'll go without sex.
I can live without sex but I can't live with pain. The effects of pain would literally drive me crazy!

Narcotics have diminished my sex drive. Some people say take a blue pill, taking a pill that gives you an erection is not the same as taking a pill that would heighten your sex drive. An erection without the sex drive is a waste of a pill and an emotional let down.

 

[OleReynard]

Sounds like you could have the same condition I have which is called spinal stenosis perhaps from a ruptured or partially ruptured disk but more likely (since it came on with time and slowly it could be from srthritic growth. In either case arthritic growth or ruptured disk it presses on the nerves in that area of your back and it's that pressure on the nerves that makes it spinal stenosis. Now a steady course of pain meds can take care of it well enough to leave you near fully functional but thn there are all the side effects that come with that.

As you also know from your experience spinal injections can help but from everyone I've known who went that route, in time they stop helping. For me they never helped so that was never a viable option. There is another treatment I've learned about lately called Radio Frequency Ablation or RFA for short. It's done thru a procss very simialr to a spinal injection but instead of injecting you with something there is something at the end of the needle that literally burns the nerve endings. The nerve endings do grow back requiring the process to be repeated every so often but during that period that they remained burned the affected area that the nerve responds to is unable to send the pain signals to the brain and so no pain. They minimum period one must wait before getting it done again is 6 months but for most people it takes about a year for the nerves to heal. The nice thing about it, or so I'm told is that everytime you get it done, it takes a little bit longer for the nerves to heal thereby increasing the length of time it's effective. After enough RFA's it can take years for the neerves to heal. In fact I just got an RFA done today. It's the second one I've had so my experience is limited but for the time it is working you can almost do without the pain meds. Still you don't want to give them up entirely because it is possible to overdo things that causes worse then usual pain and for those moments it's good to still have the pain meds. You might want to talk to your doctor about whether or not that's a viable option for you. I had it done in two areas of the lumbar region in my back and the whole process took about 15-20 minutes. When getting it done it doesn't feel much different then a spinal injection but it is slightly more painful but not much.

Please keep us to date with your treatments.
I've known 2 others with same treatments and I also have stenosis of the back and neck andL1 thru L5 herniated
Some comparing to do before I commit

 

[Putembk]

Sounds like you could have the same condition I have which is called spinal stenosis perhaps from a ruptured or partially ruptured disk but more likely (since it came on with time and slowly it could be from srthritic growth. In either case arthritic growth or ruptured disk it presses on the nerves in that area of your back and it's that pressure on the nerves that makes it spinal stenosis. Now a steady course of pain meds can take care of it well enough to leave you near fully functional but thn there are all the side effects that come with that.

As you also know from your experience spinal injections can help but from everyone I've known who went that route, in time they stop helping. For me they never helped so that was never a viable option. There is another treatment I've learned about lately called Radio Frequency Ablation or RFA for short. It's done thru a procss very simialr to a spinal injection but instead of injecting you with something there is something at the end of the needle that literally burns the nerve endings. The nerve endings do grow back requiring the process to be repeated every so often but during that period that they remained burned the affected area that the nerve responds to is unable to send the pain signals to the brain and so no pain. They minimum period one must wait before getting it done again is 6 months but for most people it takes about a year for the nerves to heal. The nice thing about it, or so I'm told is that everytime you get it done, it takes a little bit longer for the nerves to heal thereby increasing the length of time it's effective. After enough RFA's it can take years for the neerves to heal. In fact I just got an RFA done today. It's the second one I've had so my experience is limited but for the time it is working you can almost do without the pain meds. Still you don't want to give them up entirely because it is possible to overdo things that causes worse then usual pain and for those moments it's good to still have the pain meds. You might want to talk to your doctor about whether or not that's a viable option for you. I had it done in two areas of the lumbar region in my back and the whole process took about 15-20 minutes. When getting it done it doesn't feel much different then a spinal injection but it is slightly more painful but not much.

Thank you. Good post and informative. When you mentioned arthritis you said the magic word. I have been taking celecoxib which is celebrex of some time now. It helped but the pain got worse as I go older. And yes the thought of shots in the back every 6 months isn't something I am looking forward to. I go in for shots tomorrow and I will ask the doc about RFA. Great info thanks again.

 

[Putembk]

 

[jokerman]

 

[jokerman]

I have never boxed but we used to get drunk and fight in the beer joints all the time. I thought it was fun back then but I dont heal as fast anymore so I am a pretty mellow dude now. I never was violent. We thought it was a kind of fun thing to do. Now it just seems pretty stupid.

I was more into kissing the girls

 

[dogzter]

I have all that as well as osteoporosis which kind of worked in my favor as I don't want any surgery of any kind.
Having no solid bone to work with literally eliminated most surgical options in my case.
So far as long as I mind myself it is doable as is.
I look at my toes when I walk and I walk fairly slowly that helps quite a bit.

 

[jokerman]

It is one of those days!!! View attachment 18992735

followed by snacks

 

[dogzter]

followed by snacks

Pizza?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hello all you good folks, old farts
I've caught up w/ the thread and am glad
that for the most part, all are relatively well today.

Fortunately, I rarely get ill.
Supposin' that when I finally do, the ick is making up for lost time, sigh.
7 hours over the commode retching out... buy me a buick... buy me a buick...
is exhausting. Feeling like I've been beaten with a bat.
Going to crawl back in bed and try to sleep off these aches.

Enjoy the day

Oww - poor gal - do get well soon - maybe seek some professional assistance - to find out why you are puking eh? - or do you already know?

 

[HempKat]

Please keep us to date with your treatments.
I've known 2 others with same treatments and I also have stenosis of the back and neck andL1 thru L5 herniated
Some comparing to do before I commit

I'll try to remember, since it's been a once a year treatment for me so far it will take several years to really have the necessary data to give a meaningful report. I would suggest by asking your doctor if he/she thinks it's a good option for you. It's not for everyone. Also if you do decide to try it, if the insurance requirements are the same for you as they were for me they'll make you go thru a test first. The test basically consists of loading up the problem areas with novacain, if that gives you 80% or better relief then you passed the test and can get the procedure done. If it's less then 80 relief I guess the insurance companies feel it isn't worth it but that's just a guess.

 

[OleReynard]

I have all that as well as osteoporosis which kind of worked in my favor as I don't want any surgery of any kind.
Having no solid bone to work with literally eliminated most surgical options in my case.
So far as long as I mind myself it is doable as is.
I look at my toes when I walk and I walk fairly slowly that helps quite a bit.

Therapist and chiro both said the same thing when I asked about surgery.
They said no way cuz any place they started would be the wrong spot.
He said there's more in his magic bag of tricks before even thinking going under the knife.
Which is good I was just feeling them out for alternatives

 

[HempKat]

Thank you. Good post and informative. When you mentioned arthritis you said the magic word. I have been taking celecoxib which is celebrex of some time now. It helped but the pain got worse as I go older. And yes the thought of shots in the back every 6 months isn't something I am looking forward to. I go in for shots tomorrow and I will ask the doc about RFA. Great info thanks again.

No problem, thought you might be interested as your case sounded very similar to mine. Arthritis seemed to be the likely issue since you said it started around 50 and got worse as you got older, that's how it was for me too and that's pretty much how artheritis plays out for most people.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Hospitals are the worst place to try and get a proper rest, I bet your looking to get back home. Get back to the routine. Well, after your convalescence time.

I had my butt operated on because of hemorrhoids and was told I should not leave the hospital until my first bowel movement(took 8 days). It was spring and there was a crop in waiting so I left the hospital before the bowel movement . Man, did I ever regret that decision. I could have used a truck load of pain meds after that experience.

Yup - I'm being sensible now - after having a pain-med denial spat - the other day - and paying a very painful price for my chagrin - in the face of tumultuous and very ugly pain -
so now I follow what the doctors tell me - and absorb as much pain medication - as they encourage me to take - without let or hindrance - to the trained pain doctors advice - having been so humbled by my own stupidity - learning an important lesson - the drugs work - to stop the hurt - and I don't want to hurt any more -