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What really makes smoke harsh?
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JackTheGrower
Am I proud of this forum? yes I am.
CC just get some materials and lets start you growing in organic soil.
Then you will have something in common with me and we can hang.
It's just that simple.
All I see here is hard heads.. Lets be cool heads over the intended topic.
That's all.. I love the Organic Soil forum because it's my thing.
Peace.
CC just get some materials and lets start you growing in organic soil.
Then you will have something in common with me and we can hang.
It's just that simple.
All I see here is hard heads.. Lets be cool heads over the intended topic.
That's all.. I love the Organic Soil forum because it's my thing.
Peace.
"I've not heard anyone saying they took soil from outside and work with that only... That would be rocks, silt, sand, clay, etc." - CC.
AHEM! Speak for yourself. I started with crappy yellow clay and minimal topsoil. Added compost, char, pumice sand, teas, fungi - whaddaya know, it's black now, and grows things in it.
Suppliers will love your write ups, you know, those folks who advertise in those magazines you write for who sell the products you buy to put in your pots and pour in your medium, you'd be a favourite for sure as you align with their business model and advertising is now called editorial or articles. Boring. As an ex editor I know many tricks to make a magazine look like a cohesive block of information when really it's advertisements and writeups that align with the advertisers. You are exactly who I'd have writing for me if I was advertising bottled nutes. If I wanted a magazine showing people how to grow without it being spendy, you wouldn't even be on the list. You might be good at following labels, there are people here who are very good at many other skills, some of which will play a major part in keeping this planet tenable for future generations.
Respect is a two way thing CC. Bragging gets negative results.
AHEM! Speak for yourself. I started with crappy yellow clay and minimal topsoil. Added compost, char, pumice sand, teas, fungi - whaddaya know, it's black now, and grows things in it.
Suppliers will love your write ups, you know, those folks who advertise in those magazines you write for who sell the products you buy to put in your pots and pour in your medium, you'd be a favourite for sure as you align with their business model and advertising is now called editorial or articles. Boring. As an ex editor I know many tricks to make a magazine look like a cohesive block of information when really it's advertisements and writeups that align with the advertisers. You are exactly who I'd have writing for me if I was advertising bottled nutes. If I wanted a magazine showing people how to grow without it being spendy, you wouldn't even be on the list. You might be good at following labels, there are people here who are very good at many other skills, some of which will play a major part in keeping this planet tenable for future generations.
Respect is a two way thing CC. Bragging gets negative results.
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JackTheGrower
I think that right.. Who cares what I post really.. That i have nice pot porn or not..
It's more about communal activity.. So get that swim suit on and start splashing with the other kids.
LOL... I coined the term Compost Coffee for Brewing stuff.. That was interesting..
To me anyway..
It's more about communal activity.. So get that swim suit on and start splashing with the other kids.
LOL... I coined the term Compost Coffee for Brewing stuff.. That was interesting..
To me anyway..
Old school growers used to hang em' up by the roots without cutting anything until they were dry,I know some old farts that still do. I have personally trimmed the sun/water/fan leaves for faster dying times,yet assume that what Mr.Greengenes says very well may be a valid point. I have always thought that the slower you can release the water in the plant,the more you leave all those various oils behind,which is somewhat what curing is right?.....time equals money,sometimes I choose to screw the pooch on personal anal curing rather than wait longer to get dry product. Interesting.
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JackTheGrower
I'm of the mind that I want them to die/dry in their native humidity.
That seems to make sweet or at least not hurt any sweet quality.
More folk tale than science I'm sure.
I'm positive a lot of "folk" methods got us where we are today.(these people being my parents,friends,etc.) Without the trial and error of our predecessors we would have been in the dark a lot longer than we were. I know a 69 year old grandmother who does things like she did in the 70's as far as curing/drying goes. Your idea about native humidity and drying probably has some far forgotten (or remembered) indication on the harvest of some other crop that may have had similar qualities to our herb...perhaps herbs themselves?
What an amazing thread. I think I just learned more from reading this single thread than anything since I joined ICmag! Whats that about maryjohn getting banned? Whats up with that? He was my idol. That guy could tell it like it is, I was always jealous. BTW, CC I add garden soil and compost to my mix and I recycle it so there's plenty active thingys living down there. Not at all uncommon to find a live red wiggler in the bottom of a container at harvest.
cosmiccowboy
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being raised on a tobacco farm..i'd sit around the country store and listen to all the old guys discuss the do's and donts of raising and curing tobacco..it was their bread and butter. that is all these guys talked about from daylight til they went to bed..if it was'nt cured right,some of them would possibly go bankrupt or even go hungry...what i took from that is moisture and heat is what you have to watch. never heard one of them say that the "cold spell" we just had fkd up their tobacco they had hangin in the barn..i've already let one crop dry in a cold dark room and it looks and smells pretty damd good..a long slow dryin time makes sense to me......you can lead a horse to water but you cant teach an old dog new tricks!
i must say that i use topsoil in my mix too. kind of on topic because i think that it is one of the things that makes my smoke taste and smell good. what started years ago as a way of saving money on the potting soil for my tomatoes led to observations that my fruit tasted better than everyone else who tended to grow in just peat.
i use about 20% topsoil in my organic mix for weed and have just started to use some coco in it too - which counteracts the heaviness of the topsoil along with the perlite and peat.
as for re-using soil i do use a little old soil in my new mix as an innoculant but i am a believer in crop rotation as a crucial part of productive gardening so i would be hesitant to reuse cannabis soil to grow cannabis again - especially when it is so great for many other uses. that may be a little old fashioned of me? i devised a crop rotation system at my allotment that rotates 7 crops in 5 years
i was hoping maryjohn would be back by now - i have asked in the support forum for a clarification of whether his ban is temporary or permanent so i'll let you know if i get a reply...
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i use about 20% topsoil in my organic mix for weed and have just started to use some coco in it too - which counteracts the heaviness of the topsoil along with the perlite and peat.
as for re-using soil i do use a little old soil in my new mix as an innoculant but i am a believer in crop rotation as a crucial part of productive gardening so i would be hesitant to reuse cannabis soil to grow cannabis again - especially when it is so great for many other uses. that may be a little old fashioned of me? i devised a crop rotation system at my allotment that rotates 7 crops in 5 years
i was hoping maryjohn would be back by now - i have asked in the support forum for a clarification of whether his ban is temporary or permanent so i'll let you know if i get a reply...
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i 2 learned a lot from this thread...thanks 2 all
i for one amend my potting soil with garden soil & i also like and advice many to amend with minerals/rock dust...been doing this for years, before i was a member here
i think a mineral rich medium is one thing that makes my soil perform the way to my and many likings...
my potting soil is actually visually alive with worms who grow from cocoons (fresh EWC) to nice size red wigglers who help keep my organic soil or medium performing year after year..
to me a proper more soil like medium wont need much but water, (good)compost and light to grow from seed all the way to weed time and time again. it also can handle certain amounts of organic matter as a top dress or liquid soil drench..but this may not be needed because why fix something that doesnt need to be fixed??
the less is best, is what many organic growers like to throw around and i beleive this tellls me and hopefully most that you can over do it with living soil (actually any thing) but i think most (well at least my self) put a lot of time and experience in making our soil alive and rich so we dont have to use/depend on lots of foreign goodies..
so it would be against what we are trying to do in the first place, to over feed our soil and the plant, when growing with the natural living soil prospective
i grow this way because its fun and a great learning experience, i dont spend much money and the end product is simply rewarding.. endless great tasting, beautiful nugs and hash that were grown/made with a diverse love and dedication to our mother the earth
i for one amend my potting soil with garden soil & i also like and advice many to amend with minerals/rock dust...been doing this for years, before i was a member here
i think a mineral rich medium is one thing that makes my soil perform the way to my and many likings...
my potting soil is actually visually alive with worms who grow from cocoons (fresh EWC) to nice size red wigglers who help keep my organic soil or medium performing year after year..
to me a proper more soil like medium wont need much but water, (good)compost and light to grow from seed all the way to weed time and time again. it also can handle certain amounts of organic matter as a top dress or liquid soil drench..but this may not be needed because why fix something that doesnt need to be fixed??
the less is best, is what many organic growers like to throw around and i beleive this tellls me and hopefully most that you can over do it with living soil (actually any thing) but i think most (well at least my self) put a lot of time and experience in making our soil alive and rich so we dont have to use/depend on lots of foreign goodies..
so it would be against what we are trying to do in the first place, to over feed our soil and the plant, when growing with the natural living soil prospective
i grow this way because its fun and a great learning experience, i dont spend much money and the end product is simply rewarding.. endless great tasting, beautiful nugs and hash that were grown/made with a diverse love and dedication to our mother the earth
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JackTheGrower
I'm going to agree with that "Aged" or "Add top soil" because there is something about the passing of time and organic processes.
I started with a bale of pine shavings, peat moss, Guinea pig food pellets and some other things I am forgetting.. Sulfur and lime I think.. I cooked that and it became the base of a going on 9 year old soil.
Every year I would "compost" it again with new materials. I have even grown alfalfa and turned it under.
So rotate? Yeah I agree in that but may I suggest composting old with new? It seems okay.
That is why in principle I am against ready made liquids since I just don't know what they actually will leave behind after a while.
I feel strongly that the soil influences produce qualities.
free advice dirt cheep
Jack
I started with a bale of pine shavings, peat moss, Guinea pig food pellets and some other things I am forgetting.. Sulfur and lime I think.. I cooked that and it became the base of a going on 9 year old soil.
Every year I would "compost" it again with new materials. I have even grown alfalfa and turned it under.
So rotate? Yeah I agree in that but may I suggest composting old with new? It seems okay.
That is why in principle I am against ready made liquids since I just don't know what they actually will leave behind after a while.
I feel strongly that the soil influences produce qualities.
free advice dirt cheep
Jack
Yes,very well said darc....I think most of us are on that same path,even if we do things a bit different than the next guy,we are doing this for a good reason. Organic is imo the best there is out there and it's up to us to keep a quality product around for those who truly appreciate what great organic gardening has the capability to do.
here's to all those growers who know enough about gardening to realize there will always be something new to learn.
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I'd say foliar sprays done too late, too much chlorophyll from too short a cure, and too much/too little water in the buds makes em harsh.
Cure buds for at least 2 weeks, four is better. I used to use glass but I can't find 18 gallon glass jars so I use rubbermaid tubs now. Makes a world of difference vs uncured weed.
Cure buds for at least 2 weeks, four is better. I used to use glass but I can't find 18 gallon glass jars so I use rubbermaid tubs now. Makes a world of difference vs uncured weed.
And "always" is a long time,so as long as we don't get cancer and die from smoking Chemi buds,we'll all keep learning as long as we remain open to advice from others....a toast
Organi-class
Member
One thing that has stuck in my head that i heard from an old-schooler from way back was that at the end, magnesium is the worst contributor to harsh product. Mg and chlorophyll production... good at first, but not at end. Has seemed to hold true in my observations.
My favorite quotes from this thread;
"You shouldn't pick a fight with someone you know nothing about, it can lead to embarrassment."
What's good for the goose.....
"Suppliers will love your write ups, you know, those folks who advertise in those magazines you write for who sell the products you buy to put in your pots and pour in your medium, you'd be a favourite for sure as you align with their business model and advertising is now called editorial or articles. Boring. As an ex editor I know many tricks to make a magazine look like a cohesive block of information when really it's advertisements and writeups that align with the advertisers. You are exactly who I'd have writing for me if I was advertising bottled nutes. If I wanted a magazine showing people how to grow without it being spendy, you wouldn't even be on the list. You might be good at following labels, there are people here who are very good at many other skills, some of which will play a major part in keeping this planet tenable for future generations.
Respect is a two way thing CC. Bragging gets negative results."
Ain't ego a bitch? Away he went with noble declaration 'At least I proved what I set out to prove. I'm so good. Mine is better than anyones.....ever!'
Oh. I also use outside soil inside. Please tell me how one can 'overfeed' (ridiculous term that it is) if using real soil and quality compost/vermicompost top dressed. Also explain how any amount of flushing (copious water) could ever benefit such a scenario?
Tell me CC, do you also use cool-aid or juice to flavor your flowers. Isn't that a technique suggested by your famous co-writer Ed? Or was it one of those other book writing geniuses? ka-ching.
"You shouldn't pick a fight with someone you know nothing about, it can lead to embarrassment."
What's good for the goose.....
"Suppliers will love your write ups, you know, those folks who advertise in those magazines you write for who sell the products you buy to put in your pots and pour in your medium, you'd be a favourite for sure as you align with their business model and advertising is now called editorial or articles. Boring. As an ex editor I know many tricks to make a magazine look like a cohesive block of information when really it's advertisements and writeups that align with the advertisers. You are exactly who I'd have writing for me if I was advertising bottled nutes. If I wanted a magazine showing people how to grow without it being spendy, you wouldn't even be on the list. You might be good at following labels, there are people here who are very good at many other skills, some of which will play a major part in keeping this planet tenable for future generations.
Respect is a two way thing CC. Bragging gets negative results."
Ain't ego a bitch? Away he went with noble declaration 'At least I proved what I set out to prove. I'm so good. Mine is better than anyones.....ever!'
Oh. I also use outside soil inside. Please tell me how one can 'overfeed' (ridiculous term that it is) if using real soil and quality compost/vermicompost top dressed. Also explain how any amount of flushing (copious water) could ever benefit such a scenario?
Tell me CC, do you also use cool-aid or juice to flavor your flowers. Isn't that a technique suggested by your famous co-writer Ed? Or was it one of those other book writing geniuses? ka-ching.
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