Advice needed for nordic >60 nl guerilla strain

[Kaneh]

Hi guys,

I'm not breeder, but have been incredibly lucky with strain I got from a friend. (skunk#1 x Parvati landrace x pure ruderalis x pure ruderalis)
It's called Solid Bottom. At first it had wild amount of different phenos, from 3 meter high hindu style plants that didn't even start to make flowers in Finnish summer to short semiautoflowering plants that in good hot summer made beaytyfull ripe big buds!

From original seeds I've been selecting best plants every summer since 2001.
couple years back I found a pheno that is really early, 1m-1.5m high.
From that I found even shorter 100% auto flowering pheno.

2 years back I crossed it with LR to make it even smaller/faster + better leaf/bud ratio.
F1s were just like I wanted.
This summer I was planning to grow as many F2 as possible, to find out if it's really as good as it looks, and again select the best plants.

But after reading this forum I'm having second thoughts. It look's like Low Ryder is everywhere, everybody is making early outdoor crosses with it.
So I'm thinking should I go couple generations back and ditch the LR line and keep this strain more original. I allready have the AF thing going, why should I cross it with some mainstream auto???

So my question really is what would be good strain to cross what I have:
This is where I am at the moment:
- Fast growing short autoflowering strain that doesn't mind cold or rain, is well adapted to scandinavian climate.
- makes decent yeld, considering the size. Harvest is early september.

This is where I'm trying to go with it (these properties I need from a strain I'm gonna x with):
- mold resistance
- good yeld and bud/leaf ratio, even if summer is bad, (not much sun)
- early flowering
- doesn't mind cold, rain or otherwise harsh environment
- doesnt need much nutrients
- short
- more sativa than indica type, but still need to have short flowering time!

Can someone give me advice on this, I'd rather hear firsthand experience, not something that has been read from some seedbank commercial...

Thanks,

 

[GDK]

High Kaneh. I too live in Scandinavia, and at the DCF seedbank theres lots of outdoor varieties that are very much what you are looking for. The Danish Passion or Danish Gold or some of the Erocket or Erdpurt crosses might be whatcha need. Theres many different combinations of crosses and i think you should look into it..check your rep for a message.

Stay Safe

 

[Kaneh]

Thanks for your reply (and that rep) GDK!

I'm pretty familiar with Danish strains, been hanging in Christiania quite a lot in good old days. There my everyday daytime smoke was Royal Danske Pot which probably is AKA Royal Dane.
I just love the high and taste of outdoor MJ, you can't get it with HPS. RD was also dirt cheap.
That Moroccon is for turists!!! LOL

I'm pretty sure that Danish genetics would do good for my strain BUT I don't wan't to go that way.
I allready got the genetics that do well in here, I was thinking something more "exotic" or radical to throw in the mix, something like Mandala #1, Early Misty, Shiva Skunk, Durga mata, Early Durban, Shaman, Bogglegum or even White widow!
You get the picture...

Still listening!

 

[Hold Your Fire]

Wow, 60*N, and I think I've got a short season! Kudos to you folks!

 

[GDK]

Aahh ok i understand. Did you peep the whole selection at DCF? Cause they carry some polyhybrids containing some more exotic strains too, but still crossed with some early genes. Like Triple Afghan Slam x Pinky x E-Rocket x Danish Passion, or the RoyalDaneXWhiteWidow...theres also some DC and Cheese crosses there i believe. But yeah the Mandala#1 might be a good one too...ive been eyeing that one myself. Ill keep an eye on this thread and i hope youll find what your lookin for. When you do post up some pics...it would be a cool project to follow. Good luck.

Stay Safe

 

[Kaneh]

I'll have see if I still can find photos from couple years back so you guys know what I'm talking about!

I got them on my HD at some point but are gone because of paranoia or clean OS installation I did while back...
At somepoint I did backup CDs... have to check 'em out.

 

[Kaneh]

OK, I put my photos back to HD from backup CDs, and didn't find any photos of the plants, sorry.
I try to get some photos to you guys this summer, I promise!

I've been searching info of different strains and checked what's currently available. I found couple interesting strains that I'll grom next summer and see how they do here and use best of them for breeding...

I was planning to order seeds from SBoutique and Nirvana.

from SB i choosed:
- Early Misty (it's Nirvana seed, but it's cheaper here?)
- Mandala #1

and from Nirvana:
- TOP44
- AK-48

I think that non of these are F1s.
I'd better have a stabilized strain than F1s to get less variations with the new F1s I'm making, am I right???

WW and NL (my old favorites) almost made it to my selection, but 4 strains to try out must be enough.

Let me know what you think!
Or if you have any better ideas, let me know!

 

[Hold Your Fire]

If it's from Mandala, it's F1.

 

[Hold Your Fire]

Just ordered some Mandala #1 for myself!

 

[Kaneh]

If it's from Mandala, it's F1.

OK, good to know.
I have to double check those other strains also...

 

[fjällhöga]

hands down

look for Maffe's or Esbe's Seeds @ Seedbay / 420 fundraiser auctions ...

good luck with hunting

Fj

 

[Kaneh]

Thanks Fjällhoga!

I checked seedbay, but there ain't much danish action at the moment!

 

[Gunnarguchi]

Thanks Fjällhoga!

I checked seedbay, but there ain't much danish action at the moment!

i send in some various danish land races and crosses on the 26th of February
normally mail to the UK takes about 3 days
i guess they're busy atm but expect them to be listed very soon'

 

[GDK]

Kaneh...check the link i sent ya....lots of stuff.

Stay Safe

 

[Kaneh]

Kaneh...check the link i sent ya....lots of stuff.

Stay Safe

Jep, Lots of interesting strains there. If I would wanna take the easy way out, I would order some Danish genetics from there. (I think I will at some point)
BUT, I usually do things the hard way, getting used to it by now, LOL...

...So I wan't to try to create something new to us nordic growers. I allready have a good start from selective breeding I've done allmost ten years. I could leave the strain to where it's now, and still be really happy about it.
But where's the fun in that?

I actually just got some seeds:
- Afghani
- AK48
- Early misty

I grow them outdoors next summer, and if something looks like it's doing OK in our climate, I finnish it indoors (if needed) to see if it's still good after harvest.
+ Of course I'll pollinate couple branches, take clones of females and collect pollen from best looking males.

And keep fingers crossed. with some luck I think I can improve this strain I'm working on and have something interesting to show you in next 5-10 years! LOL...

 

[Puffster]

I tell you what, if you want to get real exotic get some of the super early mexicans, or perhaps the japanese landrace (almost AF) strain from Hokkeido (typo I know it) or something from new zealand. Also in some parts of africa you can find some crazy early flowering sativas, reefermans nigerian nightmare is said to be partly AF but atleast very photoperiod sensitive

I am doing much the same as you at 60n myself, just a different country

good luck from fellow scandinav!

 

[Kaneh]

Thanks Puffster!

Were gonna make Scandinavia the next big thing in MJ outdoor cultivation!!! Here's gonna be lots of pot-turists in near future! LOL

Japanese Landrace sounds interesting!
I haven't seen those available anywhere...
I don't remember seeing Kiwi seeds either.

I believe Mexicans grow very tall? if so they are not for me.

For now, I'm putting my money on those afghani seeds I have, they look promising.

 

[BiggySmallsbud]

Hi guys,

I'm not breeder, but have been incredibly lucky with strain I got from a friend. (skunk#1 x Parvati landrace x pure ruderalis x pure ruderalis)
It's called Solid Bottom. At first it had wild amount of different phenos, from 3 meter high hindu style plants that didn't even start to make flowers in Finnish summer to short semiautoflowering plants that in good hot summer made beaytyfull ripe big buds!

From original seeds I've been selecting best plants every summer since 2001.
couple years back I found a pheno that is really early, 1m-1.5m high.
From that I found even shorter 100% auto flowering pheno.

2 years back I crossed it with LR to make it even smaller/faster + better leaf/bud ratio.
F1s were just like I wanted.
This summer I was planning to grow as many F2 as possible, to find out if it's really as good as it looks, and again select the best plants.

But after reading this forum I'm having second thoughts. It look's like Low Ryder is everywhere, everybody is making early outdoor crosses with it.
So I'm thinking should I go couple generations back and ditch the LR line and keep this strain more original. I allready have the AF thing going, why should I cross it with some mainstream auto???

So my question really is what would be good strain to cross what I have:
This is where I am at the moment:
- Fast growing short autoflowering strain that doesn't mind cold or rain, is well adapted to scandinavian climate.
- makes decent yeld, considering the size. Harvest is early september.

This is where I'm trying to go with it (these properties I need from a strain I'm gonna x with):
- mold resistance
- good yeld and bud/leaf ratio, even if summer is bad, (not much sun)
- early flowering
- doesn't mind cold, rain or otherwise harsh environment
- doesnt need much nutrients
- short
- more sativa than indica type, but still need to have short flowering time!

Can someone give me advice on this, I'd rather hear firsthand experience, not something that has been read from some seedbank commercial...

Thanks,

Early wonder skunk from Vancouver seed bank, its good yeild strong and finishes in august. i crossed it with auto ak47 and there doing very well! its an amazing strain

 

[blackone]

OK, I put my photos back to HD from backup CDs, and didn't find any photos of the plants, sorry.
I try to get some photos to you guys this summer, I promise!

I've been searching info of different strains and checked what's currently available. I found couple interesting strains that I'll grom next summer and see how they do here and use best of them for breeding...

I was planning to order seeds from SBoutique and Nirvana.

from SB i choosed:
- Early Misty (it's Nirvana seed, but it's cheaper here?)
- Mandala #1

and from Nirvana:
- TOP44
- AK-48

I think that non of these are F1s.
I'd better have a stabilized strain than F1s to get less variations with the new F1s I'm making, am I right???

WW and NL (my old favorites) almost made it to my selection, but 4 strains to try out must be enough.

Let me know what you think!
Or if you have any better ideas, let me know!

Good idea to go for a stabilized strain, a landrace or and F2, F3 etc because you won't be able to see all of the recessive traits in the F1 generation.
AK48 didn't finish at all for me at 55N - flowering was barely initiated with no visible trichomes.
I think it's a really good idea not to throw in Lowryder - the more Non-lowryder AF we can get the better I say! Nothing bad about lowryder but the more sources of AF the better.
The strain you have already has the auto or semi-auto trigger right?, so what you need to introduce into the genepool is probably short flower time.
Afghani is probably not a bad choice - how about C99 if you want more sativa genes in the cross?

 

[Kaneh]

Hi everybody,

sorry for not keeping you updated.

I tested this summer Seedsman Afghani and Nirvana Early Misty.

Top44s I gave to a friend in need.

Afghani and EM is now 4 months old and they have not started to flower.

So I quess I don't have them in any crosses. LOL
If you call something early, it should have started flowering in september, right???
Early my ass!

But Solid Bottoms looks better than ever.

- They went 99% AF (couple exceptions).
- Now 4 months old, and could still be go for couple weeks, so were not talking typical 8-10 weeks AF (lowryder) strain.
- Not super strong but high is good, uplifting + happy. I prefer very much to lowryder crosses.
- Bud/leaf ratio could be better.
- Very strong strain, good for guerilla growing. Can and will fight other vegetation with success. Doesn't need any attention.

I made some crosses with LR2 and Poison dwarf.
I believe these F1s will be superior to anything I have grown outdoors. But I don't plan to make F2. Instead I try to make Solid Bottom better via selective breeding, and see what happens. And when it's stable and as good as it can be then make new cross. I hope I got something to cross it with at that point!
Maybe I just do F1s with new LR-strains. It's too big project for me to stabilize another strain. And Solid Ryder F1s I have look very good!

Blackone:
I'd love to try C99, but it's difficult to find at the moment (?).