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Will breeders begin to designate their strains as "Open Source"?

OldSSSCGuy

Active member
Just a request for opinion...

When you look at the potential blood on the floor being generated by patents by mega-scum like Canopy, GW Pharm, Monsanto, etc. - can or will breeders start to declare their cultivars as 'open source' to help set up a wall against the coming corporatization of cannabis? As these greedy bastards benefit and profit from the decades of hard work done by breeders they are sure to find ways to patent not just brands, logos and related foofaa but the genetics of some cultivars also. Once they can do that - next might be moving up to attempting to patent the source legend genetics (i.e. Monsanto). Look at what happened with the California strawberry industry.

But if breeders - especially those who sell their seed or cuttings - made formal statements of the strains being releases under some sort of open source license would that help to buffer against this event? Obviously then that might lead to the corporates claiming rights to legend genetics and phenotypes by claiming patent violations, wouldn't it?

Part of my logic comes from a conversation I had a few years back with a 'large seed breeder guy/company' from Humboldt. He spoke of how he and others were banding together in a move to try and patent their cultivars -- and that really turned me off. If instead they banded together to proclaim their strains to be sold open source; especially when they are selling their regular and fem seed for growing and breeding anyway.
 

midwestkid

Well-known member
Veteran
I worry about this subject quite often. Seems like I'm holding my breath waiting for the rich man to ruin this as well...
 

Dr.Young

K+ vibes
Veteran
Open source is the way...

If we all started with the same genetics the passionate would still shine, the intellectual selector with the passion to do proper lines will outperform in tiny spaces what wealthy could do in major facilities. Giving everyone the same starting blocks makes for far better documentation, organization, and optimization.
 
I got this email recently. You guys should join in the discussion its open to all.

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Peg

New member
Neither the hobby nor the production seed market have shit worth keeping nor sharing.


​​​​​​It's a boring topic. Everyone grows the same shit already anyway. It's not hard to find a sour, sift for a bulky blueberry, boom, I've got a strain that makes sense. I just gotta name it after a candybar. For fucks sake let's move on people. Ain't no one got shit that doesn't pop up in every bagseed you run across
 

Dr.Young

K+ vibes
Veteran
The plants finishing before 70 days have been well explored... The 70-140 day plants are far less explored. Lets not confuse mainstream mids and easy plants with quality.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
Just a request for opinion...

When you look at the potential blood on the floor being generated by patents by mega-scum like Canopy, GW Pharm, Monsanto, etc. - can or will breeders start to declare their cultivars as 'open source' to help set up a wall against the coming corporatization of cannabis? As these greedy bastards benefit and profit from the decades of hard work done by breeders they are sure to find ways to patent not just brands, logos and related foofaa but the genetics of some cultivars also.

Too much emphasis is placed on this big cooperate beast that will come in and take over cannabis. Total nonsense, borderline absurd.

There is no John d Rockefeller who is going to come in and buy everybody out.

Inside these massive corps. 90% of the executives are there for a payday. I know a few of the founding team of Canopy. All moved on once they got paid. Some did the same setup in new markets for another payout.

Raise a ton of capital, set up infrastructure and hand the bag of debt onto the next greater fool. Almost all of these big cannabis (PUBLIC COMPANY) engines are set up this way. Zero skin in the game! The smartest financial modellers in the world have to hide the piles of shit debt stacked within them.

Most of these billion-dollar cannabis companies you see have revolving doors, no stable management teams. The notion that they're clued up enough and have the intel to make long term strategic plays is laughable. They're a threat only to themselves, sorry it doesn't fit the standard narrative

All I see are houses built on sand
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GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
If seeds have ever been offered for sale, then there are no breeder rights to be had.
Only specific clones can be patented, and then again, only if never sold.
People worry about stuff that can't be done and don't think about the truly worrying stuff.
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Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Agree, Anyone that's sales seeds/clones customers can do as they wish with them. Today the cannabis community is not what it once was. It's not easy figuring out who the assclowns are. Even those hyped brands have some assclowns behind them.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
Most of the offences in this industry have been created by people in this industry, never a executive in a suit.

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The notion an executive in a suit will figure out this mess and sort the wheat from the chaff is bat shit crazy.
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Greed and ego. Not many can say Thank you anymore. The odds someone will screw you is higher than someone helping you.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
Greed and ego. Not many can say Thank you anymore. The odds someone will screw you is higher than someone helping you.

Hammer, it's always been like this. It will never be any different. Thinking this business will be a group of people signing Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya is naive.

Hammer you of all people should know, till this day people are still arguing about what happened in the ’70s 80’s 90’s 2000’s and now.

We all participate because we love it. Hard to make it anywhere without being stung and burned along the way. The human condition is what it is.

Look at DJ Short, been screwed more times than a cheap escort. He hasn't become bitter, twisted or completely unhinged due to what's happened. He's kept it moving through the BS for decades and is still going

What a guy.
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
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Hammer, it's always been like this. It will never be any different. Thinking this business will be a group of people signing Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya is naive.

Hammer you of all people should know, till this day people are still arguing about what happened in the ’70s 80’s 90’s 2000’s and now.

We all participate because we love it. Hard to make it anywhere without being stung and burned along the way. The human condition is what it is.

Look at DJ Short, been screwed more times than a cheap escort. He hasn't become bitter, twisted or completely unhinged due to what's happened. He's kept it moving through the BS for decades and is still going

What a guy.

Some of us are gonna see it worse or better. Individual experiences will vary. For me It wasn't as bad as it is now. There used to be a lot of good people. Those good people are all gone or just don't care to say thanks anymore. Many of them seem to forget. As we know Money changes most.
 

regseeds

Well-known member
Some of us are gonna see it worse or better. Individual experiences will vary. For me It wasn't as bad as it is now. There used to be a lot of good people. Those good people are all gone or just don't care to say thanks anymore. Many of them seem to forget. As we know Money changes most.

Today we have far more options, that IMO is a net positive. I would argue times are better. Now we all get to choose who we get into bed with before there weren't those options. Socially, we have some work to do.

Smoking the finest herb in the rise world gives us the superpowers to rise above the petty shit in life.

They're many great people here in this forum. I count myself lucky. As the saying goes, all conflict is self-conflict
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
ICMag Donor
Veteran
For the most part, sharing is caring but the amount of tom fullery has made it a drama roller coaster.,
 

flylowgethigh

Non-growing Lurker
ICMag Donor
If a guy is selling regs, am I uncool for making a stash of seeds for myself from them?

If I give away or even sell the seeds made from regs, attributed to the breeder (ie Joe's OG), is that legit?
 

GMT

The Tri Guy
Veteran
Rule of thumb is don't knock out f2's if the original breeder is still selling them. But don't hoard them from friends either. Always, always, everyone should make a batch for themselves.
 

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