Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

TruthOrLie

Active member
Tax was a reaction to communism.

It was a backup plan just in case communism was better.

But tax was used to cripple communism, so we never really found out.

Capitalism is a big bully.

You take from whoever you can get it. And if you can't get it, you take it anyways.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
What you are describing is DESPOTISM not capitalism. Was it DB that said the enemies of freemen seek to hijack words and language?

Capitalism REQUIRES freely entered into contracts and 100% freedom of contract for ALL economic actors.

Tell me TorL are you are capitalist when harvesting and trading cannabis, or are you a surf tied to the land who owes his harvest to the fief?

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TruthOrLie

Active member
What you are describing is DESPOTISM not capitalism. Was it DB that said the enemies of freemen seek to hijack words and language?

Capitalism REQUIRES freely entered into contracts and 100% freedom of contract for ALL economic actors.

Tell me TorL are you are capitalist when harvesting and trading cannabis, or are you a surf tied to the land who owes his harvest to the fief?

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judging by these court fees and fines and having to pay the man all sorts of dues i would say in my own personal situation i am very much surfin getting fiefed

maybe if i "step my game up" and get a 10k warehouse I can be more of a capitalist?
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
NO number of lights can change the fact that the man is fining you for something. Stepping your game up might not be a bad idea, but the changes need not have anything to do with cannabis. The USA is not a capitalist country, so if you want to really be a capitalist get off the mans radar and then freely enter into contracts with others. I am sorry that you feel like a surf (as well as being treated like one) in this the land of the UNFREE.

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TruthOrLie

Active member
NO number of lights can change the fact that the man is fining you for something. Stepping your game up might not be a bad idea, but the changes need not have anything to do with cannabis. The USA is not a capitalist country, so if you want to really be a capitalist get off the mans radar and then freely enter into contracts with others. I am sorry that you feel like a surf (as well as being treated like one) in this the land of the UNFREE.

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Woah. Hold the freaking celery.

The USA is not a capitalist country, ANYMORE.

The capitalists have moved on to bigger and brighter multinational prospects.

The capitalists have gambling websites operated from offshore casinos with funds dumped into offshore banks while they sit back on their yacht parked off their island eating alaskan crabs flown fresh in on their helicopter kicked back with their feet up staring at their multithousandsqft mansion villa private resort
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
Hey dude, there is no such thing as off shore this or that. Good for them having gambling sights. This concept implies that being born in one place or another makes one human or another better.

BUT you are VERY correct the USA is NO LONGER a capitalist country. Very sad.

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DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Not true dude, Jefferson was stating that AN INCOME tax is a violation of FREE ASSOCIATION (the US Constitution's 1st amendment). Because Jefferson was correct a constitutional amendment was required for us to get FUCKED with an INCOME TAX. The income tax didn't come to being until 1913. America was far from a road-less shit hole at that time. America's had invented the automobile, had an industrial revolution, and fielded an army and navy large enough to cross the pond and fight the Gerrie's "Over There." Far from Flintstones land.

I am 100% with you on removing ALL welfare: corporate, religious, agricultural, and individual. It is much harder to exploit the FREE when NO ONE is ENTITLED to anything, except the results of their own efforts. If you are obligated to the government or the king are you truly free?

Government is the problem not the solution.

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I recall reading of the Roaring '20s. It was only roaring for folks with money to burn. I'm pretty damn old and public school history actually used to teach what happened when regulation was nonexistent. Upton Sinclair and Ralph Nader were required reading.

I also read Atlas Shrugged. IMO, he shrugged in the 20s. Aside from a handful of affluent cities, America was Appalachia coast to coast.

To me, freedom also means the freedom of others to bend us over for profits. Three US nuclear installations have been superseded by the NRC with third-level violations. The next level is shut down.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
The Jungle is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Required reading is an oxymoron because many in this country have NEVER read a 300 page book. Requiring it be done is like asking monkeys to recreate Shakespeare on typewriters.

I don't know about the nuke issue, I just know that American's in 1910 were better read and better spoken than American's in 2010.

As for shrugging in 1920's at some point America went from "Give me your poor, your weak, your huddled masses yearning to be be free." To "GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU CRAZY MEXICAN"

When that happened America was no longer FREE or Capitalists.

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DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
NO number of lights can change the fact that the man is fining you for something. Stepping your game up might not be a bad idea, but the changes need not have anything to do with cannabis. The USA is not a capitalist country, so if you want to really be a capitalist get off the mans radar and then freely enter into contracts with others. I am sorry that you feel like a surf (as well as being treated like one) in this the land of the UNFREE.

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I think the closest free that comes to mind is Abu Dhabi. A read of business in AD reads like "who's screwing whom". And that's the rich people. The rest are poor, no in between.

I also thought about Donald Trump bragging about screwing over folks on land deals and this is qualification for the presidency.

And tax-havens exist. They are real and they do exactly what they suggest, shelter accounts from taxes.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
And tax-havens exist. They are real and they do exactly what they suggest, shelter accounts from taxes.

Income Taxes are IMMORAL, how about HAVENS exist BECAUSE the tyranny of thugs and extortionist governments have driven like minded individuals to ban together and HONOR confidentiality and privacy?

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Hydrosun

I love my life
Yeah constitutional law shouldn't be discussed, just the current mood of the 30 year old PIGS with GED's. Their mood is important lets talk about them.

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TruthOrLie

Active member
I think people are more aware of the broker fee nowadays. They are willing to pay the fee for something great or something cheap.

But charging middle of the road prices for something middle quality because it might "get them in trouble" just doesn't fly so much in Cali anymore.

10 years ago you could expect to hear someone talk about the risk associated with supplying the goods.

You used to get taxed in case your dealer got busted, and then when your dealer got busted you got taxed even more.

I know I like to find a new supplier when mine has overwhelming fines to deal with.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
You are supposed to be the supplier, this is the site of growers then smokers?

I bet none of those guys being busted felt so special in collecting a tax.

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TruthOrLie

Active member
lol i was a supplier because i didn't know how to grow.

now i can grow so i don't need to push supply to smoke.

and it sux balls taxing great customers for your own fuck ups, but thats how business is done these days. (see: BP, Exxon, Phillip Morris, etc...)

and just to clarify, i was making a distinction between growers, smokers, and brokers... is this a website for growers, or growers and brokers then smokers?

just trying to make sure i got your pecking order clarified.
 

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Hydrosun, they're earning interest from the regulated system and not paying their fair share back to the system.

I get it we disagree on socio-economic strategies. I'm more used to the where to draw-the-line argument... the nixing-it-all-together, not so much. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater usually has a way of creating and sustaining more chaos.

Don't forget the guy that said "government is the problem" lowered taxes his first year and raised em the next seven.
 

Hydrosun

I love my life
lol i was a supplier because i didn't know how to grow.

now i can grow so i don't need to push supply to smoke.

and it sux balls taxing great customers for your own fuck ups, but thats how business is done these days. (see: BP, Exxon, Phillip Morris, etc...)

and just to clarify, i was making a distinction between growers, smokers, and brokers... is this a website for growers, or growers and brokers then smokers?

just trying to make sure i got your pecking order clarified.

If you didn't grow you were a middleman not a supplier, blessed are those who provide access but the supplier is the guy with flowering plants.

You are correct that is a PISS FUCKING POOR business plan to raise prices based on legal problems. Those costs should have ALWAYS been baked into the cake.

I think this should be a website for the counter culture of cannabis CCC or C3 but I don't own or run this site so their choice is the path. As you see I am too stoned and complaciant to open Ccubed on my own so this is my home and I respect the rules.


Hydrosun, they're earning interest from the regulated system and not paying their fair share back to the system.

I get it we disagree on socio-economic strategies. I'm more used to the where to draw-the-line argument... the nixing-it-all-together, not so much. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater usually has a way of creating and sustaining more chaos.

Don't forget the guy that said "government is the problem" lowered taxes his first year and raised em the next seven.

I agree that they are stealing money in MANY ways, those you mention are but a few

You are correct again total revolution would probably be worse than we have now. It is like being a beaten child threatened with an orphanage, doesn't make the belt any sweeter.

Well how the clowns played the game is fun and interesting to discuss and it is easy to rank them (GWB, Grant - Lincoln) but that is really way bigger and less relevant than the here and now. What do you really want to tell your kids, or grandkids? I really don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure it is not trust the government and believe what they say.

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DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
I agree that they are stealing money in MANY ways, those you mention are but a few

You are correct again total revolution would probably be worse than we have now. It is like being a beaten child threatened with an orphanage, doesn't make the belt any sweeter.

Well how the clowns played the game is fun and interesting to discuss and it is easy to rank them (GWB, Grant - Lincoln) but that is really way bigger and less relevant than the here and now. What do you really want to tell your kids, or grandkids? I really don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure it is not trust the government and believe what they say.

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I really like your abused child/ orphanage comparison. It's a sad state but IMO the wording is painfully accurate.

I recon it's bitter sweet that I have no children. I'm rooting for all you parents and hoping you and your children's living standards rise.

I'll try to leave politics out of my comment and substitute a little economics history.

You probably get tired of my old age references but I can remember when business was the bad guy. Love Canal, nuclear waste, big oil pollution, ... and the list goes on. Tanker trucks opened their valves and dumped PCB down the highway. We deoderant-sprayed our ozone away. Dick Nixon was business friendly for the time and initiated the EPA himself. Government was seen as being weak on polluters.

Being seen as weak on investment banking [eating] commercial banking's lunch got us Glass-Stegall. Now we're seeing those old problems return in the form of the biggest recession we've ever had. And the top 1%, those guys that are supposed to be creating jobs are sitting on their fattest wallets ever. It's time to walk the walk.

Not only do boom and bust cycles repeat every 8 to 12 years. A bigger phenomenon happens when vocals peeps are disaffected. As late as the 1960s, the top 1% was income-taxed as high as 91%. The last 30 years have seen them prosper historically. Unfortunately, the pendulum swung too far away from the bottom 95%.

I can tie this in with the op. Wholesale prices are plummeting yet elements of retail don't reflect their respective wholesale image. The industry is too young to reflect on bad historic policy, at least in the economic sense. Hopefully the future sees growers getting a better wholesale price, especially when retail is generally high.
 

dagnabit

Game Bred


i like it..

DB the tax rate was as high as 91% but that was not the effective tax rate.
the convoluted 16,000 page tax code in out punitive income tax is what takes the supposed 38.6% tax rate on a company like GE to an effective -22.4% incentive ;)
do away with income based tax and move to a consumption tax with "prebates" for essentials for lower income families and the fat cats have no loopholes to game the system.

www.fairtax.org
 
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