Vietnamese Hau-bac

[TanzanianMagic]

Simple fact is that I would have more confidence in the seeds, if they came in official packaging, and were identifiable as the seeds that were ordered.

Instead, they come in these flat crush proof plastic squares, stuffed with either paper or cotton wool at both ends. In fact, before ordering, I explicitly asked, do your seeds come in official packaging? One of the female respondents said "yes". Guess what, this was not the case. Very amateurish.

When I pay $100 or more for seeds, I want official packaging. Just to know that no one made a mistake while packaging the seeds. I don't want to have to grow them for months to have an idea that they're the right seeds.

 

[idiit]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=280844&page=10

07-16-2015, 03:49 PM #98

Charles-scott

last reeferman post on the now infamous hau bac almost 1 year ago. where are the promised updates promised a year ago?

reef also calls his aww crosses with the aww listed first (female) without verifying that he indeed has an aww female. all other breeders except stash and myself were working the tired out aww male clone and almost all breeders including motarebel's crew dropped the aww male for poor performance.

stash and I have the real deal jojo aww seedstock and it is producing some great phenos.

 

[VelvetSmog1]

Simple fact is that I would have more confidence in the seeds, if they came in official packaging, and were identifiable as the seeds that were ordered.

Instead, they come in these flat crush proof plastic squares, stuffed with either paper or cotton wool at both ends. In fact, before ordering, I explicitly asked, do your seeds come in official packaging? One of the female respondents said "yes". Guess what, this was not the case. Very amateurish.

When I pay $100 or more for seeds, I want official packaging. Just to know that no one made a mistake while packaging the seeds. I don't want to have to grow them for months to have an idea that they're the right seeds.

Why do you believe that official packaging would in anyway eliminate mix ups? Reef shipped seeds in the method you stated for many years. Others have as well. Personally what I hate is how hard it is to get the seeds out of that package at times. When I ordered in January I received Scott Family Farms branded packs but I can't say they somehow would prevent someone from putting the wrong seeds in the vial. I just have to hope for some measure of competence. Which is how it always is with any breeder.

last reeferman post on the now infamous hau bac almost 1 year ago. where are the promised updates promised a year ago?

reef also calls his aww crosses with the aww listed first (female) without verifying that he indeed has an aww female. all other breeders except stash and myself were working the tired out aww male clone and almost all breeders including motarebel's crew dropped the aww male for poor performance.

stash and I have the real deal jojo aww seedstock and it is producing some great phenos.

I've grown out Hau Bac twice now. It's good stuff. If you're interested I have pics over at t*cfarm*r in Reef's forum. You might want to hurry though. That forum might be deleted soon. I'm also thinking of growing out the cross to Chem 4.

I believe I read another post of yours question the AWW but I'm not quite sure I understand. Why would he need to verify he has a female. It's not like they're rare. Aloha sold tons of those and the 98 clone was popular for awhile as well.

Are males supposed to be hard to find? What does it matter that he used a female is what has me a little confused? Isn't the 98 AWW a female? I thought that was the one that was famous, the one Jojo was selling back in the Cworld days. When myself and others spoke to Aloha they said they never changed the breeding stock and didn't know why people found that one year so intriguing.

Jojo sold a lot of AWW beans not sure if they were all S1 but maybe. I was under the impression Reef and Jojo swapped genetics. Does Reef's ads say AWW 98? I can't check as his site is down. because if it doesn't say that couldn't it be any AWW seed stock that he selected for? I'm not in the know about the male that you say under performed but all my recollection of the special traits of AWW come from that 98 female and some other selected females that were pretty close to that 98 clone.

Reef seems to be MIA right now. Hope all is well and that's all I'll say about that for now.

Best regards,

nurlord.

 

[idiit]

nurlord.

^ great to have you posting here. sincerely.

it's a forum. this is what we do.


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The Aloha seed co did release another version of the AWW but they had lost their original mother clone and that's why peeps seek the 98 AWW. This AWW stock was givin to us by jojo before he passed away;motarebel"


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Yes, Jojo had males and females of the Aloha White Widow. I don't know if anyone was lucky enough to land any, before he passed. Really nice person, RIP.

There are seeds out there. The BIG question is! Who has the real deal." Billygoat​

https://www.*********.com/community/threads/1998-aloha-w-w.5873/ THE FARM​

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here's our aww thread at icmag:https://www.*********.com/community/threads/1998-aloha-w-w.5873/​

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nurlord, to make the story really interesting here's the cohiba, mom of white widow? thread:​

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=79056​

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I went thru the farm aww stuff. I've looked for aww posts with pics many times and came up zippity (take your pick of the following)

• boo – bumpkiss – bupkis – dick – diddly-squat – fuck all – fuckle – goose egg – jack – jack shit – jack squat –nunya – shit – squat – zilch – zip – zippo

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stash might well be the only one with the rare beans made from jojo's aww male and female. the secret ingredient in jojo's aww is said to be skunk. aww is not a real white widow. it's a white widow hybrid.
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as to hoa bac, here's nurlord's hoa bac thread wid pics: most excellent


https://www.*********.com/community/threads/hau-bac-bud-shots.76944/ THE FARM​

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idiit

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Why do you believe that official packaging would in anyway eliminate mix ups?

I never said it would eliminate all mixups. It would however go a long way in both making sure these are the seeds in question, and establish confidence in the customer/grower.

A company which will remain unmentioned, a very good company that I orderered seeds from for years, once had a mix-up with it's autoflowering seeds - which did not autoflower. And they had good official packaging. Now what if a company has hundreds of strains, and then selects which strain to give to which customer, every single time, instead of taking out the prepackaged seeds. In the latter case, there is much less room for confusion.

So no, just package the seeds the way everyone else does - for a good reason.

Also, how can you ever prove to anyone else that these are the seeds you ordered? OK, so you have a guy's scribble on a blank note saying these are the seeds. It's not even signed.

I'm sorry, however if you're paying serious money for seeds, official and strain specific packaging is part of the price.

 

[Shmavis]

...Instead, they come in these flat crush proof plastic squares, stuffed with either paper or cotton wool at both ends.

Where did you order from? Years ago Reef packaged as such. That's how mine came in '05. Only a couple authorized resellers now... maybe you ordered from one of the non-authorized resellers? His site had a warning about others using his name to rip folks off.

...Reef shipped seeds in the method you stated for many years....When I ordered in January I received Scott Family Farms branded packs.

I did too. Like this:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7356024&postcount=18

This is actually nicer packaging than Serious Seeds' Bubblegum that I recently got, which came in the common plastic bag—and weren't cheap...

Nice pics, nurlord.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Where did you order from? Years ago Reef packaged as such. That's how mine came in '05. Only a couple authorized resellers now... maybe you ordered from one of the non-authorized resellers? His site had a warning about others using his name to rip folks off.

I ordered from the breeder, Reeferman Seeds 2818 Main St, Vancouver, BC, CA.

 

[Shmavis]

I ordered from the breeder, Reeferman Seeds 2818 Main St, Vancouver, BC, CA.

Bummer. Pretty sure that’s not legit. Scott Family Farms has an address in Surrey, BC, CA... an address on Fraser Hwy.

I almost ordered by mail, and the above was the address to send the order in to. That’s also the address from which my order shipped... I see, oddly, that his site is down now... I was on there within the last couple weeks considering another purchase. So not sure what’s up with that... But the official site warned of current problems with others using his name to sell product, not his, as his.

Truly hope you got the real deal of whatever you ordered. But it almost sounds as though it’s someone selling knockoffs or playing a deceptive labeling game... hopefully not.

Best.

 

[biologic]

Why is this only available as feminized version?
What a shame.

 

[biologic]

lol

 

[biologic]

lol

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

Why people feminize landraces? I don't understand.

My best guess is for a few reasons.

1. Real land race varieties are an absolute shit shoot of phenos so when you find that 1 in a thousand plants that is the best of the bunch the easiest way to ensure the customer gets something worthwhile is to fem the best example of the strain.

2. Working with a limited population perhaps there was no male available.

3. Feminizing happens in nature too, plenty of varieties will self pollinate to ensure they will survive.

I wouldn't put reeferman in the same category as arjan, arjan is a junk salesman that made his name off of the creations of Shanti and nevile

 

[idiit]

Originally Posted by biologic View Post

Why people feminize landraces? I don't understand.

My best guess is for a few reasons.

1. Real land race varieties are an absolute shit shoot of phenos so when you find that 1 in a thousand plants that is the best of the bunch the easiest way to ensure the customer gets something worthwhile is to fem the best example of the strain.

2. Working with a limited population perhaps there was no male available.
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fireinthesky




yes. as long as the original non fem, regular seed stock with good genetic diversity is maintained there is no logical argument against femmed landraces imo. when there is no regular version of the strain with good genetic diversity I too have a problem with "just fems".

many of the landraces are from the field, never ilb worked in a pristine environment. they can be heavily adulterated with random pollen including adam genetics which have infiltrated nearly every part of the globe that cannabis grows.

many landraces from the field are strong hermie representations. taking two good non hermie females and making the best of the best available is not a bad thing. again, the original seed stock in regular form needs to be kept viable.

sometimes a rare pheno that is highly recessive emerges. selling this with open disclosure as an s1 is a good thing imo as long as the regular seed stock is kept viable.

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Bummer. Pretty sure that’s not legit. Scott Family Farms has an address in Surrey, BC, CA... an address on Fraser Hwy.

I almost ordered by mail, and the above was the address to send the order in to. That’s also the address from which my order shipped... I see, oddly, that his site is down now... I was on there within the last couple weeks considering another purchase. So not sure what’s up with that... But the official site warned of current problems with others using his name to sell product, not his, as his.

Truly hope you got the real deal of whatever you ordered. But it almost sounds as though it’s someone selling knockoffs or playing a deceptive labeling game... hopefully not.

Best.

The above address was the return address on the envolope the seeds came in.

I looked at both the ad in the High Times, and corresponded with Charles Scott on this forum.

I wrote:

Dear Charles-scott,

I would like to ask if you have Hao Bac seeds, or if you know of anyone selling Vietnamese strains.

Cheers

Yes I do please check out reeferman seeds dot com or BC Bud Depot Dot com

Charles

There is also a website called Reefermangenetics dot com.

Looking at the High Times ad, the ad says: "Reeferman seeds available only at: w3 reefermanseeds com. Warning: the following websites are 100% fraudulent: medicalmss com, oldschoolba com, reefermangenetics com."

By the way, Reefermanseeds com, and bcbuddepot are both down.

 

[Shmavis]

The above address was the return address on the envolope the seeds came in.

(Meaning the address I mentioned, right?)

I reckon you're all set then. Glad to hear it!

It is odd though that you got the old-school packaging...

In '05 I thought the packaging was lacking. Hell, it arrived in a regular letter sized envelope. Not even padded. But then, that corrugated plastic is some pretty serious stuff, protection wise.

As long as what you got is direct from the Farm, I doubt you have anything to worry about; packaging notwithstanding.

Happy:

 

[idiit]

Reef seems to be MIA right now. Hope all is well and that's all I'll say about that for now.

Best regards,

nurlord

I want to post my best wishes to reef. hope all is well.

i'm on the geek/fanatic/compulsive side on cannabis; it's my passion, especially breeding. reef's put out a lot of great gear and from what I've read shared a lot of great genetics within the cannabis community.

biz is biz but heart is still heart. hope to see you return happy and safe reef.

idiit

 

[TanzanianMagic]

Reefermanseeds net is up, however, considering the above directions, and the large number of fake sites,

And another thing. I received the seeds in exactly the same hard plastic crush proof square that I received seeds from Canadian Hempco. Again, no official packaging either. Also, suspicously, they always have exactly the same number rare seeds for sale. (Just google this ripoff site: Viet Combo canadianhempco) And by the way, *no shop* has spice brothers seeds anymore.

 

[farmerlion]

I would like to purchase Hoa Bac Silver Flower myself.(again) I have no idea that what I have is the real deal. Charles if you could PM me and let me know where to get these seeds Please. In 2018 I plan on doing a full tropical sativa grow. Peace

 

[Shmavis]

I would like to purchase Hoa Bac Silver Flower myself.(again) I have no idea that what I have is the real deal. Charles if you could PM me and let me know where to get these seeds Please. In 2018 I plan on doing a full tropical sativa grow. Peace

As TM mentioned, the site seems to be back up. Although, It's been hit and miss for me when trying to visit it. Some times everything seems fine and other times it never finds the site... HBS is available. It'll be interesting to see if this link works for you (or others):

http://reeferman.net/shop/hoa-bac-silver-flower-feminized/

Good luck!

 

[idiit]

as nurlord stated reef is mia and has been for some time. hope all is well for him.