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This is something I've been thinking about lately,

Risks of Compost Tea

Escherichia coli 0157:H7, Salmonella and Listeria are now common household terms that have raised the fears of many consumers. Foodborne outbreaks of diseases caused by these organisms have been associated with the consumption of raw fruits and vegetables and have been linked to the use of uncomposted manure during the growing, harvesting and washing of these commodities. Composting manure effectively reduces pathogens to nondetectable levels (Lung, 2001), but composting is not sterilizing. It is reasonable to assume that very low levels and resting stages of these pathogens may be present, even though they may not be a health risk. When compost is land applied, the soil environment will not foster regrowth, and the low levels of pathogens will quickly wane. In contrast, when compost is brewed in a tea, conditions may favor growth of populations of pathogenic organisms. This was the case when simple sugars were added to the brewing tea. Bess (2002) and Duffy et al. (2002) brewed ACT with molasses and other simple sugars and demonstrated that these microbial nutrient supplements not only enhance the growth of beneficial bacteria in the tea but also support and may select for the growth of E. coli and Salmonella. Both authors suggest that eliminating sugars can reduce or eliminate the pathogens.

Ingham (personal communication) disagrees with the results of these studies. She claims that the degree of aeration is important, and that no risk is present if the brewed tea is kept properly aerated, which she claims the two studies mentioned above failed to do.

Just throwing this out their,not trying to freak anyone out.
 

xmobotx

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makes a pretty good case for identifying swimmers in your tea w/ a microscope

or; plant based composts {vegan?} maybe just don't eat your dirt
 

Ur Humbl Nr8tor

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I'm big on the molasses, and if I had some of that 200x aloe powder I'd be more willing to use that every time as well. I've been meaning to try Von's suggestion of yucca powder as a surfactant instead.

Humble, glad to have you on board! I don't forsee much changing here except maybe more openness. I'm a "ROLS" guy as well, but I'm willing to understand why people still use tools like pH meters or give BRIX testing a go. Faces always change around here and I'm sure we'll see some old friendly ones pop back in soon enough.

I've been lurking on ROLS for months. It's funny (not necessarily in a ha ha way) but I finally catch up through both threads and now we have the departure of some of our most prolific contributors.

Still, I've been working with organic soils and amendments for many years and I just started 4 x 20 gallon containers for an attempt at no till. I will provide updates along the way and look forward to sharing any knowledge gained.

I appreciate the efforts of those contributing (with us and departed) and look forward to the journey.
 

Weird

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i am practicing no til outdoors but still till indoors mainly due to the plant size to container ratio
 

VerdantGreen

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yeah, ive worked with deep beds and no-till outdoors in my veggie garden for years but i dont have the space for big containers in my little indoor cannabis grow. my modular scrog method also precludes the use of beds.
i also believe that occasional tilling brings certain benefits to some types of soil. the potato crop every 3-5 years sorts this in a crop rotation

VG
 
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The big thing that we've done here lately is bringing agricultural science and basic gardening practices back to something that's evolved into a way to sell lots of expensive grow supplies. Go dig through articles, read magazines like Acres or Organic Gardening, and experiment! If this is a new phase I want it to be one of experimentation, in the most literal sense. Don't just take that posted recipe for granted, run through it, keep notes, share them here. Have a local plant you think might make a good fpe? Try it out! I look forward to seeing the progress we can make when we put all our data together.
 
Weird et al.,

I agree that it is a odd set of events and conditions that lead to this forum drama. I do not feel that I have a role in this but then again I tend to be more argumentative online than I maybe would be in person and it's easier to get carried away behind a keyboard. I garden under the banner of ROLS but I dont necessarily do recycling and no till, all the time, and there are more differences i could think of if i thought it was relevant. Point is Maybe i have too much of a wishy washy, open view about ROLS and offended ROLS gardeners by disagreeing with them while posting pictures under the banner.

I Don't know. I also thought about ditching the forum, but due to personal factors in my life that I realized I cannot blame the forum for. Fact is, I feel I learned a lot from the forum discussions of the past few years, and if it leads do good results in the garden I have not seen before then I would like to keep posting those recipes and help those who are seeking more sustainable and organic garden methods, by pointing in the direction.

maybe a bit jumbled this morning but someone needs to be held accountable for all these soil recipe's and I dont have issues being here at the home plate. peace

Canna woop!
 

VerdantGreen

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i was wondering if anyone had tried alkanet/anchusa (blue flowers) as a comfrey substitute?

its a common weed in some parts and has deep roots plus that fur/hair that comfrey has which i assume would contain silica?
 

xmobotx

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the thing w/ these diverse weeds where you may not be sure how it would be in a plant tea or FPE {and it would probably be fine} they are usually going to be a fine contributor to the compost

while it is cool to realize your plants diet consists of thing you could imbibe in; compost teas and FPEs may not be among those choices ~lol coconut water is whole nother matter. funny how we call them "teas" ~and yet i didnt even consider we might introduce drinking the 'tea' to the conversation

you're right mrS ~i got here after a lot of reading of mother earth news and organic gardening/rodale stuff. But, it's still a paradigm shift to move towards 'living soil'

no-till in containers is something not conventionally approached but I have had neighbors that grew tomatoes in the same whiskey cask planters year after year

i pretty much dump the 1 gallons and down every time and seldom change out a 3 gallon and up
 
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I would personally love to do no-till, full on. I've only replanted some pots after ripping out the rootball and just replanted +mycos. If I had the space for it, I'd be doing 5 gals at the least!. Alas, I only use 1 gals, so my idea of recycling is just throwing it back into the original mix bin and occaisonal ammending, but mostly teas.

Im kinda debating scrapping my indoor compost...there's so many fucking mites that swarm banana peels, sidewalls of the rubber maid and all kinds of shit. I hate it. Lately, all compost goes outside in massive pile and only banana peels and canna-compost goes to th worms.

xMobotx- hows the all-compost work for you? you seem to have a handle on balanced composting so I could forsee good plants on your end
 

xmobotx

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idk about 'all compost' but in the name of nutrient cycling; a mix which was developed through the compost pile {and worms!} seems to me like it would be ultimate

my most current practice mirrors my 'getting started' thread ~on account of i scrapped my ROLS batch because of cat pee and started over {the 1st soil batch i mixed is still cooking} anything i have done since has been parallel to that thread

i detailed the big batch i mixed in FTI's potting soil 101 thread {just added bentonite clay to all that @ 2 TBS/gallon} & i also have a 4 gallon batch of cootz' ultimate recipe cook'n {only diff is azomite vs GGGD}
 
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Fuckin cats, man! They'll piss and shit in the worm bin too if you're not looking.
 

W89

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VG seen lots of that stuff about lately looks like comfrey with blue flowers hairy too..
 

VerdantGreen

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hey w, yeah it looks and grows very similar to comfrey, i can never get the whole root out when weeding it up it goes so deep. try using the leaves as a mulch or something or adding to compost pile. it may be worth doing a fpe with it. cant find any figures on it though nutrition wise.

VG
 

xmobotx

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ha ha yeah my cats are wonderful but things like getting woke in the night cause they caught a mouse and the need to structurally bar them from the garden space is a little tiresome @ times
 

VerdantGreen

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if you plant some nepata/catmint they tend to chew on that and hang out by it. but yeah cats take the piss, thats kind of their occupation.
having said that, where i live the best way to keep the neighbours' cats out of your garden is to have one of your own.
 

VerdantGreen

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wow thats harsh but i imagine it does work. i cant go near that stuff without serious injury!
good tip. ive used pigeon spikes before and that works ok.

VG
 
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