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The Nevils Haze and Nevils Haze hybrids discussion thread.
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Stoneguru
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NL5Chaze will always be the winner for me. NH is mottling it all. To many ingredients.
A summary of the quotes from Nevil over the last pages
~The effect and potency of A and C are equal to each other. The profiles of Male C is superior.
Male C is not that well represented in NH. ~
That's about it regarding smoking experience. This is consistent with my experiences as well.
@Royal I remember you saying something to the effect of NH '97 smoking like a tobacco awhile back. @HEMPY spend years following up my every reference to haze as it not being about flavor so I don't think he had it either. Anyone who smoked it would consider it among the most unforgettable experiences of their life.
If they don't feel that way about haze then they probably just have not had it yet.
Among my old friends that smoked the 5Chaze in the 90's it remained the most destructive and highest quality smoking experience any of us have had.
I have never read that being said about NH anywhere.
There is a lot of diversity in it, but everything is going to be cut or altered from the clean refined isolation of 5C.
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Smoked??? I'm pretty sure I said something about A5 smelling like good tobacco after a long cure. Smoke wise, I've stated that the one NH pheno I really liked had a very good euphoric effect, like cocaine without all the negative effects.
That's a pretty rare effect, certainly enjoyable, I wonder what's the cannabinoids profile of a high like this. Do you think there was some THCV?
Stoneguru
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Thanks for the clarification. That is the effect I prefer to.
On smoking experience itself I just don't think the A and C are equal. When Nevil references A with leather I am familiar as well as the spicy notes to burnt sugar type tobacco. Meaty,liver. They are fine, but I don't think they are equal to the potential in C.
It hits like a refined concentrate on the pine. Almost a gas over smoke with layers of complexity
I had quite a few of the versions with A5 a few of the NH do have the same darker notes.
It's unique, but it's not an entirely different class of smoke. Still a preference I know
Your post from Nevil about C types not being the keeper in NH was what I have been saying for years.
When we grew the '97 immediately following the 5C for years it was gone. Not a trace in the lot by compare.
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Stoneguru
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@RoyalFlush
On your previous claim about modern NH being different parents.
Below.
The big plant on the L is a B7 x Silk.
The Big plant on the R is a Johnny Blaze w '97 NH
They are around 3-4w apart in flower time
The small plants on the Right are the tall NH.
The small plant in the Middle is common NH
Doc calls B7 .5 stretch. SILK S is 5× stretch.
The Tall NH are at about × 2-3x Stretch
Disclaimer. The B7 Silk was put into flower after filling out a solo, the JB was unusual conditions. And the NH were always in flower
On your previous claim about modern NH being different parents.
Below.
The big plant on the L is a B7 x Silk.
The Big plant on the R is a Johnny Blaze w '97 NH
They are around 3-4w apart in flower time
The small plants on the Right are the tall NH.
The small plant in the Middle is common NH
Doc calls B7 .5 stretch. SILK S is 5× stretch.
The Tall NH are at about × 2-3x Stretch
Disclaimer. The B7 Silk was put into flower after filling out a solo, the JB was unusual conditions. And the NH were always in flower
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The NH came from Shantiblabla seeds?
Stoneguru
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I think there is still good in the NH.
I should reiterate. They are under more extreme conditions than I ever put anything under.
For hunts I Usually do a week of veg node 4-5 5-6" tall
These NH were always in 10:14 flower.
I suspect they would be about twice the size of they were under the same conditions as the B7Silk. (An average ×3)
The tall NH is an outlier. Only 2:80 like this.
I think it would be taller than anything in the picture under the same conditions. It's still going.
Yes.
I should reiterate. They are under more extreme conditions than I ever put anything under.
For hunts I Usually do a week of veg node 4-5 5-6" tall
These NH were always in 10:14 flower.
I suspect they would be about twice the size of they were under the same conditions as the B7Silk. (An average ×3)
The tall NH is an outlier. Only 2:80 like this.
I think it would be taller than anything in the picture under the same conditions. It's still going.
I Aquired at the time , 2009 Mns seed stock Via Thc farmer
I still have the whole pack minus 4/5 seeds
Nevilles Haze has much more pronounced flavor than most Haze phenos I've experienced
4 phenos different years n locations ALL OUTDOOR
ALLvery similar in taste and smell . Varying degrees of Incense , Sandlewood , spicy/peppery , pine
Those 3 Nevil Haze pics next to Johnny blaze nevil 97
Are poor representation of the line , my experience is limited with the variety but this stock is clearly not what it once was as the Haze/ Nld influence seems to be a thing of the past
Seems i should put some importance to Repro my seeds .
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Stoneguru
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Based in current
Traits. If I were going for the haziest NH.
Pop 1k. Look for the multiple leaflets on first set. That would get in down to 50 hunt.
These will be the yellow stem as opposed to the red/candy cain stem. They will stretch the most and have trichomes stems.
...who knows on the quality of the rest. They may be just as good. Most smell of haze camphor or eucalyptus for some extend...pine. it's just not turned up the way I am seeking.
I will probably rerun 8-12 to see how they do under normal conditions.
Traits. If I were going for the haziest NH.
Pop 1k. Look for the multiple leaflets on first set. That would get in down to 50 hunt.
These will be the yellow stem as opposed to the red/candy cain stem. They will stretch the most and have trichomes stems.
...who knows on the quality of the rest. They may be just as good. Most smell of haze camphor or eucalyptus for some extend...pine. it's just not turned up the way I am seeking.
I will probably rerun 8-12 to see how they do under normal conditions.
Having to select from only 5% of the population make it impossible unless you make yourself the 1000 seeds; that sounds like a PITA;
Stoneguru
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1 has some incense so far.
The most predominant profile in the current NH is Eucalyptus/camphor clean haze pine.
It's not as strong as it can be..
Again. I have never put anything under 10:14 from the cotyledons. if they were permitted to establish roots or veg in any form they would be bigger.
I smoked C5 in Holland .
It was a good smoke yes . A lot stronger body effect than I expected . Long duration of effect .
Not as cerebral or sativa- ish as I was expecting . My friend who was growing it had a C5 x La Nina that was very interesting . Hit in the 3rd eye in the middle of my forehead .
Stoneguru
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I don't think you guys understand how much I tortured these into flower right away. Maybe to much.
I think it's premature to make too many determinations.
I wanted the highest count to select for smoke and the hunt the keepers
Here is a post from Neutrino who I trust on input.
He said the line was very potent.
More so then the O'haze and Bandaid 4.2 from the read. Most were less palatable.
I overcompensated to dwarf them. For the ones that smoke well ill grow them out.
This is from the same seed stock
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I don't think you guys understand how much I tortured these into flower right away. Maybe to much.
I think it's premature to make too many determinations.
I wanted the highest count to select for smoke and the hunt the keepers
Here is a post from Neutrino who I trust on input.
He said the line was very potent.
More so then the O'haze and Bandaid 4.2 from the read. Most were less palatable.
I overcompensated to dwarf them. For the ones that smoke well ill grow them out.
This is from the same seed stock
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What was I telling you about potentcy ?
@hempy
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If I place a Nevis Haze seed plant even a clone into flower even at 6 inch tall flowering under 7/17 I still end up with trees.
Even a 50% Haze don't need much size to it to outgrow your flower room.
As for the Highs, like I keep saying, you should be getting either a Thai type high or a Colombian type high, both very strong in their own way.
Even a 50% Haze don't need much size to it to outgrow your flower room.
As for the Highs, like I keep saying, you should be getting either a Thai type high or a Colombian type high, both very strong in their own way.
@hempy
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That don't sound like a good 50% Haze to me.
