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Repeat 2000?

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By SAM HANANEL, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Now that consumer advocate Ralph Nader (news - web sites) has formally declared his candidacy as an independent, many Democrats fear a repeat of the 2000 race, when Nader was blamed by some for taking just enough votes away from Al Gore to secure a razor-thin victory for George W. Bush.

Nader rejects the spoiler label as a "contemptuous" term used by those who want to deny voters a choice. Declaring Washington a "corporate-occupied territory," he has accused both Democrats and Republicans of being dominated by corporate lobbyists who care little about the needs of ordinary Americans.


Nader, who turns 70 this week, was to lay out his campaign themes — including universal health care, campaign finance reform, fighting poverty and addressing environmental concerns — at a press conference Monday in Washington before campaigning in Texas later this week.


"It's a question between both parties flunking. One with a D-, the Republicans, one with a D+, the Democrats, and it's time to change the equation and bring millions of American people into the political arena," Nader said on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he made his announcement Sunday.


But even old friends like liberal Vermont Rep. Bernie Sanders, the only independent in the House, called Nader's decision "counterproductive," predicting "virtually the entire progressive movement is not going to be supportive of Nader."


Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, who personally urged Nader not to run, called the decision "unfortunate."


"You know, he's had a whole distinguished career, fighting for working families, and I would hate to see part of his legacy being that he got us eight years of George Bush," McAuliffe said Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation."


Sanders and others also suggest that Nader will not pull close to the 2.7 percent of the vote he won in 2000 — when he ran on the Green Party ticket — because he will have a difficult time getting on many state ballots without the backing of an established party or major financial resources.


Ballot access experts say an independent needs a total of about 700,000 signatures to get on the ballot in all 50 states, a prospect Nader likened to "climbing a cliff with a slippery rope."


But he is undaunted, saying he is confident he can collect more than the $8 million he raised in 2000 using the same Internet fund-raising strategies that former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean employed before dropping out of the race. As always, he will rely on small contributions and refuse money from corporations and political action committees.


Democratic officials issued a statement Sunday saying Nader has promised McAuliffe he will not criticize the Democratic nominee, but rather focus candidacy against the Bush administration.


Nader acknowledged the pledge but said it does not mean he will refrain from criticizing Democrats if they attack him. "I'm not going to avoid responding," he said.
 
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Well I support his right to do it, but is it really the 'right' thing to do? Especially considering all of the circumstances surrounding the last "election".
If he is going to jump in, maybe theres hope yet for a "miracle" candidate to show up? ehh....probably not:(

thanks for stopping in Greatful:)
 

BushyOldGrower

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Good Post

Good Post

I was mad at Ralph last time but this time I think he can actually help Democrats while gettting out a very anti-Bush message.

Democrats won't make the same mistake voting for him twice but those who do won't matter because the wheels are coming off the BUSH administration now.

Nadar could continue to say the worst things imaginable about Bush while the election goes on. He could say stuff the democratic party might be a fraid to say fearing backlash. But, when Nadar says it we can sit back and smile.

Regime change is not a question to me at this point. Bush will probably attack Kerry hard soon but Kerry will give him a new asshole to worry about real fast.

Can you imagine Kerry vs. Bush in an election debate? It's just laughable. BOG

BTW, the Greens got very few votes and the Dems won the election anyways. Bush just stole it by using the Supreme Court of kangaroos... :mad:
 
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Very good point Bog, I truly hope nader can rob bush votes... and you are right, the dems should have enuff sense this time around...
 

Skip

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ken said:
any other you ever read about those electronic voting machines, some interesting stuff on the net about those ;)

this is an interesting article, from a respected computer security site - http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/198

im sure google has a few more

Yeah it's my understanding that the people who control the voting machines are also big supporters of Bush. So don't expect "Free & Fair" Elections in the USA. I suggest the US allow international election monitors to oversee US elections, because the US has shown it can't be expected to allow Free & accurate elections anymore than Iran or China.

The election is ALREADY in the BAG for Bush! Wake up America! It's gonna take a revolution to oust him from power... And Americans are way too lame (and fat) to do that anymore.
 
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Do you really think the democrats would allow all Bush supporters to man and control the entire voting system, in the entire United States? Americans are way to lame and fat Skip? Dont you think your over generalizing just a little bit? lol

Atleast we know where you stand right?lol


outlaw:)
 

BushyOldGrower

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Kerry will Win

Kerry will Win

He will Bushwhack Bush easily but is kerry any different is the question? I say yes that he is the lesser of the 2 evils by a long shot as he is for unions and workers vs. Bush who is against labor and totally for management and the rich.

Kerry may be rich too but he has a heart and he remembers Viet Nam cause he served there. He promises not to waste our young soldiers on vain campaigns. I believe he is a better choice and don't expect anyone but Bush die hards to support him this time.

Americans are sick of being ashamed of our leader so at least we will kick his ass out this year. Just wait and see. BOG
 
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John Kerry helped write the Patriot act, and he voted to go to war in Iraq.

and ken, I dont think so buddy;)
 

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