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Price inflation

flylowgethigh

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Old joe loves inflation.

Here is your root cause. In 2008, after 95 years of printing, the fed was only up to $800B. Now it is 1/4th of all federal debt, currently over 30 Trillion dollars, or almost $300K for each person. They have printed and bought joe's debt spending, and your gasoline, food, and housing have increased as a result. Remember the big push to rush through 7 Trillion in borrowing and stimmy?

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EastCoastGambit

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Economics is a fugazi. We are never going to pay back this debt, hence the great reset. And I think it will be OK. Governments and economies will need to fall as it is all flawed, it is going to suck for everyday persons, like my children, but there has been shortsightedness in global leadership for so long there is no getting through it without tearing it all apart and starting over.
 

f-e

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Got to keep us living is servitude somehow.

Coronavirus: UK sent home on 80% wages. More than enough to watch TV. They were all better off. All from a loan taken on their behalf. People living on government dole outs had an increase of 25% but didn't need to attend interviews or scratch on. More money, for doing less. At a time of great difficulty, the country dished out stacks of loaned cash that people didn't even need. The total opposite of what the countries financial situation called for. However, if you were one of the dogs that had to keep working, there was no favour towards you. You didn't get squat if you tried to keep the country going. Just letters saying you should be ill and claim money. Or in the health sector, buy a house and receive 5K towards it. They were doing their best to pile up the debt, and nobody receiving the money was going to say no. The majority were more than happy to see the debt increase
 

Brother Nature

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Yeah it's so weird, it's almost like the whole global economy has slowed down for some completely unknown reason that has nothing to do with America.
 

unclefishstick

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Got to keep us living is servitude somehow.

Coronavirus: UK sent home on 80% wages. More than enough to watch TV. They were all better off. All from a loan taken on their behalf. People living on government dole outs had an increase of 25% but didn't need to attend interviews or scratch on. More money, for doing less. At a time of great difficulty, the country dished out stacks of loaned cash that people didn't even need. The total opposite of what the countries financial situation called for. However, if you were one of the dogs that had to keep working, there was no favour towards you. You didn't get squat if you tried to keep the country going. Just letters saying you should be ill and claim money. Or in the health sector, buy a house and receive 5K towards it. They were doing their best to pile up the debt, and nobody receiving the money was going to say no. The majority were more than happy to see the debt increase

i never took any of the stimulus money except i suppose from people buying pot from me
 

flylowgethigh

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The WEF / Davos / Bilderberg bunch like to say: "You will own nothing, and you will be happy".

This great reset sounds a lot like "out of chaos, order" to me.

$5 diesel is bad BTW. Truckers are already pissed off.
 

f-e

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I didn't take the dole outs either, though they kept writing and saying I could just invent a number I think I would of earned. You know, that best contract of the year I didn't get, and can't prove as the provider died after our pub lunch meeting. Which I also want to claim for.

$5 diesel? That's terrible. I filled up at $2.50 yesterday. Per liter obviously.
I had been telling my boss to fill everything as it was about to go up, and somehow he convinced me it wouldn't be yet. Then it went up 3 days consecutively before I realised. Yet wholesale it's coming down again. They are just wanting us to use less, and making it a financial penalty. Thus the poor get hit hardest.
 

armedoldhippy

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gas prices have fallen 25 cents a gallon here in the last 2 days. everyone wanted to blame Biden because prices went up, why is no one thanking him for bringing them down? (it's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering, lol. we know why...)
 

'Boogieman'

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Yeah it's so weird, it's almost like the whole global economy has slowed down for some completely unknown reason that has nothing to do with America.

The fed printing money and politicians passing large spending bills made matters much worse during the pandemic. Supply chain issues and the war in Ukraine are not the only reason we are in a high inflation environment.
 

'Boogieman'

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gas prices have fallen 25 cents a gallon here in the last 2 days. everyone wanted to blame Biden because prices went up, why is no one thanking him for bringing them down? (it's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering, lol. we know why...)

Even if gas prices go back to the prices seen a few months ago it's still 50% higher than before Biden became president.
 

'Boogieman'

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gas goes up according to supply & demand, and it drops for the same reason. it does not matter who is in the White House . but you keep clinging to those straws...

Sure buddy, im sure Biden is going to oil producing countries to outsource Russia and beg them to increase supply even though you claim a president can't do anything about the price of oil and gas. :chin:

Somebody better tell him he is wasting his time. :bigeye:
 

flylowgethigh

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It's gonna get even worse if the Saudis stop accepting only dollars for oil, and accept chinese yuan instead. Much worse. The dollah is fiat, just paper.

https://welovetrump.com/2022/03/15/...a-considers-pricing-crude-oil-in-chinese-yuan

Oh BTW, xiden has been planning to shut down domestic oil production, and he is. Double whammy on America. Nice work joe.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ustry-joe-kept-promise-today-gas-4-32-gallon/

Fertilizer has gone through the roof, and is critical to feeding the nation. We used to import it from Russia.
 

armedoldhippy

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Sure buddy, im sure Biden is going to oil producing countries to outsource Russia and beg them to increase supply even though you claim a president can't do anything about the price of oil and gas. :chin:

Somebody better tell him he is wasting his time. :bigeye:

he may well be wasting his time. oil producing countries love high prices, but don't like the turmoil & political instability that they can cause. i never realized how desperate some folks are to blame someone, ANYONE, else for everything. you are a pretty good example. he is trying to increase the SUPPLY, hoping the price drops somewhat. but you'd rather the price/instability remains high hoping the Democrats get the blame at the voting booths. too transparent by far. latest poll i saw had Biden creeping upward for some strange reason...voters are fickle creatures though. any day now i expect to see the usual warmongers in the GOP screeching for the US to go into Ukraine, risking nuclear war. regardless of what Biden does, i''m pretty sure you won't like it...
 
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'Boogieman'

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i never realized how desperate some folks are to blame someone, ANYONE, else for everything. you are a pretty good example. he is trying to increase the SUPPLY, hoping the price drops somewhat. but you'd rather the price/instability remains high hoping the Democrats get the blame at the voting booths..

So you admit im right. That presidents through policy and decision making can influence the price of oil and gas, yet throw a false accusation at me saying I want higher gas prices. Sigh, I drive a gas guzzling truck, give me lower gas prices and I will be happy.
 

Brother Nature

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Are there federal taxes on petrol in the US? I only ask because here (in NZ) there are and that's a majority of what contributes to our high prices, $3.35 per liter last week, roughly $12.70 per gallon for the imperial minded. But in response to rising costs everywhere (a head of broccoli costs $4 at the moment), our government has pulled back their petrol tax by 25% in order to reduce cost of living (and probably garner some much needed votes), could the US do that at all? Even on a state level?

I actually came across an interesting article regarding US gas prices and this notion today after reading this thread. Makes me wish I had shares in oil companies...

Have pasted into the quote below, sorry if the format sucks, Tor is a bitch to copy and paste shit in.

The U.S. Government Doesn’t Control Domestic Oil Production. But It Should.

The oil and gas industry won’t increase production because it’s enjoying the profits from high prices.


This week, as President Biden banned the import of Russian oil and gas, fuel prices skyrocketed, and pundits and Substack bros across the land repeated the company line we all know by heart now: We need to drill more and increase production.

It’s a rallying cry that makes no sense. On top of the fact that there’s no such thing as an “immediate” increase in oil and gas production, if anything this crisis is one more reason to speed up the transition away from fossil fuels. And in the meantime, since the industry is going to blame the government for everything anyway, a little intervention would actually be helpful here, not to help the oil and gas companies but to rein them in and actually help the American public.

During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Arab members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries imposed an embargo on exporting oil to the U.S. due to its support of Israel in the war. The result was rationing, miles-long lines at gas stations, a whole lot of headlines questioning our dependency on foreign oil, and ultimately a huge boom in energy efficiency and non-fossil energy in the U.S. The oil industry, of course, claimed that the shortages were all the government’s fault for refusing to let them drill more in the years preceding the embargo.

In 2012, when it was already clear that the fracking boom was headed for a bust, the fossil fuel lobby began pushing hard to lift the ban on exporting American oil and gas. The policy had been in place since that 1970s oil crisis in an effort to insulate Americans from the volatility of the global energy market. But suddenly, exporting was the industry’s last hope to maybe turn a profit on fracking, so the math changed. The story they told was one of national security and energy independence, a return to global superpower status. Their efforts paid off in 2015 when President Barack Obama lifted the ban.

When Donald Trump was elected in 2016, he became the most fossil fuel-backed president in U.S. history, an honor previously held by George W. Bush — and again the industry insisted it needed more land, fewer regulations, and more drilling. Under Trump the goal became not just “energy independence” but “energy dominance.” When Covid hit and the industry was suddenly sitting on mountains of oil barrels worth less than nothing, they seized on the opportunity to request further deregulation. Trump was only too happy to comply. In tracking the fossil fuel-requested subsidies, loopholes, and regulatory rollbacks during the Covid-19 pandemic, I counted well over 100, the vast majority of which remain in place. In fact, prior to leaving office, Trump tried to make as many of them as permanent as possible via executive order. Between those rollbacks and the lifting of the export ban, the oil and gas industry currently has more freedom to drill than it’s had since regulation began.

There are two important things to remember about how oil and gas production work: The government doesn’t place any production limits on oil and gas companies, and there’s no such thing as an immediate production increase. Oil and gas companies decide, all by themselves, whether or not to increase production, and new drilling now generally translates to oil and gas on the market in six to 12 months. A new fracking well takes six to eight months to produce oil, for example. Are there idle wells that could be productive again in less time? Sure. Are there some that were shut down during the pandemic that can be brought back online? Yep. But then we get to the real reasons oil companies aren’t drilling: It’s not government intervention, it’s a combination of money, labor, and materials (shocking, I know).

Like every other industry during the pandemic, the fossil fuel industry was hit by material and labor shortages. Except in the fossil fuel industry’s case, the labor shortage has been coming for a long time; recruitment and retention are hard when you’re in a dying industry. It was so bad last year that ExxonMobil CEO Darren Woods even floated the idea of pay raises, in a pandemic economy!
But even if labor were not a concern and the government threw all its resources into solving the industry’s material shortage problem, oil and gas executives don’t want to increase production because the high prices are working for them financially at the moment. They’ve said so explicitly, out loud and in public.

The big fracking companies — Devon, Pioneer, and Continental — burned by multiple boom and bust cycles over the years, pledged in February not to increase production until 2023. “Whether it’s $150 oil, $200 oil, or $100 oil, we’re not going to change our growth plans,” Pioneer CEO Scott Sheffield said during a Bloomberg Television interview. “If the president wants us to grow, I just don’t think the industry can grow anyway.”

In ExxonMobil’s February earnings call, Woods said the company’s focus remains on price per barrel over volume. “One of the primary objectives we’ve had in looking at the portfolio is less about volume and volume targets and more about the quality and profitability of the barrels that we’re producing.” he said. “That’s been the focus. And as we move forward, we’ll continue — you’ll continue to see the quality of the barrels or profitability of the barrels increase.”

According to Tom Sanzillo, director of financial analysis for the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, what’s even more unusual than the industry’s hesitancy to drill, given the high prices per barrel, is the fact that they’re not buying up new land.

“Typically the price spike would occur and rather than pay dividends as robustly as they are paying now, they would buy up other assets and maybe increase production,” he said. “What’s happening now is not typical. They’re not buying up other assets, and they’re not drilling. What does that mean for the future? It’s hard to say. It’s possible they’re just biding their time, building confidence amongst investors and will increase production next year, but this is definitely not the typical response to a price spike.”

Instead, they’re banking that money, using it to make up for profits lost in the pandemic and mostly to conduct massive stock buybacks that keep their shareholders happy and might just bring investors back to fossil fuel for one more round.

Which brings us to the elephant in the room: the United States’s supposed energy independence. As a net exporter of oil and gas, that’s what the country was promised by industry. But you can’t have independence if you are ruled entirely by global commodity markets. The other big oil-exporting countries are able to use their production capabilities to protect themselves from sudden price changes because their fossil fuel industries are nationalized. Because the U.S. energy sector is entirely private, we have no such luck. For all the industry’s squawking about federal leases, only 10 percent of U.S. drilling happens on public land, the rest is on private land that the government has zero control over. And, again, there is no government entity overseeing production; it’s left entirely up to companies to produce as much or as little oil as they think will be profitable. The closest we have to a regulatory body on production is the Texas Railroad Commission, but even when oil prices went negative during the pandemic, the commission opted not to impose production limits.

Although Biden floated the idea of reinstating the export ban when he campaigned for president, his Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm took that off the table almost immediately. It hasn’t reemerged in the Russia-Ukraine debates, and U.S. exports helped Europe absorb the sudden cutoff of Russian fuel supplies. But an export ban is not a terrible long-term plan. And since the industry is accusing the government of meddling with production anyway, why not call its bluff and start a real conversation about nationalizing the industry and marching it toward a transition to renewable energy? What we’re seeing now is an entirely unmanaged transition, unfolding in real time. It’s painful, and the future is completely unclear, but none of that has to be true.
 
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