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Neville’s Haze x C5 Mango

LostTribe

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We get power outages sometimes scheduled 4 times a day! Our corrupt government ran the power company into the ground as it was a lucrative cashcow gravy train to ride on..power plant construction deals that were mega inflated and underperforming, or still not online ten years after due date, or corrupt deals with coal/uranium etc mine owners, or just buying mines to inflate costs in government dealings..etc..an endless list of corrupt fucks and their dealings. 15 years now or something of it getting progressively worse. Our diesel bill on the farm is scary and generators scary loud but it is a pleasure having complete power backup for something between 500kw and 1000kw's worth but I turned all the heating off now for winter in greenhouses and put lighting and crops down to absolute minimum, mild elnino winter this year so even though in the middle of winter its ok. The moms in the unheated low tech house were looking the best of all of them even though some mornings its getting down to 5 degrees centi, so I just turned heating for all other areas off and save money and let the tough survive. I got moms on a gaslamp schedule now also to save power and they mostly all adjusted fine now and we passed the winter solstice, they all think its mid summer, one or two refuse to not flower so those are not worth production as those moms in 18/6 would probably always want to trigger an autoflower if you let them get potbound or something and we have way too strains so in the bin they go.

Tapwater can be beautiful, ours is, or it can be horrendous, as it is on the other side of the city LOL..Rainwater is pukka..for years and years I only drank springwater, collected my drinking water in the city from springs to drink, or stayed in the rainforest with a mineral water bottling plant down the road and a borehole into an ancient aquifer that was the ultimate sweet water than anything thrives in..I defineately felt better for drinking only clean living water for a long time. Now I am far from all that..its disgusting borehole, dam water, or tap water so I just make tea or sugary juice. Shit gotta do what you gotta do sometimes..

Fly low, its all genetics and environment at the end of the day, geneticswise these are quick sativas relatively that flower is growing so they start the resin earlier, but still a week or two later than a indica leaning hybrid, the more true hazes or more haze leaning hybrids would start later, yours are probably still to come. I find these plants less demanding on their feeding but more sensitive to the N, I run a low N formula generally, with all other ratios of elements dialed in so less N needed, the haze hybrids love my feed recipe that I generally use, if they have higher N then they not sure to flower fully or not and veg more and give leafier growth that wants to foxtail more and continue to stretch during flower more and these stretch enough as it is LOL, and also put on frost later and swell later. I run a mid - lower EC normally EC 1.6-2.0 season or temps depending, end flower that will drop to 1.4-1.2 as I drop the N at the end further and increase PK. In winter I run higher EC. That in my experience has been most of the cause of nute issues when changing from HPS to LED and guys put in less wattage so light and temps total are less, transpiration less so actually one must run higher EC, plant will want higher PPMs of salts relative to water, to keep the osmotic flow through the roots to leaf tips moving along at the same or similar pace, this is driven by hydraulics and the transpiration from leaf surfaces and less temps and less light, less transpiration so less movement of water relative to time, but if light is still high and CO2 good, the growth will only be marginally less so food demands still high, hence food concentration to water to drive osmosis at similar pace, will be higher, water concentration lower, therefore raise EC, lower volume generally..then all the LED deficiencies suddenly dissappear cuz ones not underfeeding the plant as it drinks much less..but letting runoff values guide your path.

Lost, just try an EC of maybe like 0.4 higher to id say max 0.6 higher than you were running under HPS and water a bit less steering yourself based on your runoff volume relative to feed volume and runoff EC relative to feed EC..As or if runoff EC climbs daily in a trajectory higher than feed, either drop feed EC or one must increase volume, if runoff volume higher than 30-40% of feed and or climbing, then one can drop EC and volume slightly of feed to get in the zone, if runoff volume low less than 25%-10% lets say then increase feed volume. If EC drops and runoff good, 15-30% increase feed EC..Im normally aiming for 1.6-2.0 runoff and watching the direction its heading in high light high temps, and im looking for runoff 2.0-2.4 or so in runoff in lower light or lower temp environment. If you do that then light source should not matter too much, I have to produce in winter light, summer light, under LED, HPS and CMH...and mixed light and its all down to how the lights are affecting the environment and how that affects the plant, and you adjust accordingly. The basics of this was taught to me by hydroponic vegetable farmers 20 years back and nothings changed, we just got more lights to play with now, back then it was winter light or summer light but principles the same. Once you got your balanced diet worked out, ratios all good between elements, then its just adjusting your PPMS and feed volume up or down to match how the different lights/sun has changed the environment. LED wont require more of this or more of that element compared to another light IME, but it will require higher PPMs of everything compared to water, hence higher EC, if you put in less wattage of light compared to the HID they replaced..If you put in same or higher wattage LOL you might have to drop EC and increase horizontal airflow LOL..its all a dynamic..and reaching the happy hum where everything sings in harmony.
You can't run a higher ec with Sativa's with LED. Issues were mainly in veg nearly all. Couldnt hit a sweet spot either too much or too little. last time I dropped a dialed 600 horti in to catch them up and went back to led at flip. Worked out. Again only have had issues in veg for some reason. I didnt really with the bigger mars but this little mom/veg tent 2.5x2.5 w a 250w qb has the issues always. I have better luck with a single cfl even so its something somewhere (qeue the laughing yes I said single cfl for moms)....I digress.

Ah root zone temp. That has to be part of it I think most was in coldest part of the winter night temps into the 50's and you know how saturated coco gets when its cold. HPS warms it up alot more than any led can get to being that far from the light. Just doesnt penetrate enough to do much if anything....
 

maryjaneismyfre

Well-known member
Yeah lost I can get more weight with fresh air and a dialed in airflow pattern over the canopy than I can with CO2 supplementation where the airflow is not optimised..CO2 at leaf surface is what counts and if you not moving air it doesnt matter how much CO2 you have in the room..With enough fresh air and optimal air flow then the CO2 at leaf surface always in high enough range, never dropping.
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
New Bulbs are giving me weird readings in the Phantom Digital ballasts …I don’t like seeing the indicator light “flashing“ …
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
Got tons of circulation with fans & My rooms certainly aren’t sealed… there’s air conditioners running 24/7 I’ve never ever ever had a problem …It’s not too hard to get the temperature is tweaked perfectly
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
Hey, I noticed Grow Green Michigan has sale going with free shipping on their bulbs

save some money or stock up for the future ...Amazon wont mind if you send em back either

I was chatting with them today they were the supplier of the bulbs gotta figure out why these brand new bulbs are giving me readings like they’re on their last legs
 

herbgreen

Well-known member
What about on the magnetics...?

Hortilux work better on a magnetic ballast

Or is that an urban myth?
 

herbgreen

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The digital ballasts are designed for the new bulbs ....the "digital" bulbs

I do believe its digilux bulbs for digital ballast performance wise is better

The big diff between the two ballasts is one is controlled by computer chip that is constantly changing re adjusting its flow of power etc etc

Hortilux Im very glad stay in business but not too compatible with digital ballasts

Also depends which digital ballast There might be one that works better with them

You would have to look around the lighting threads

I m pretty sure its a problem since they came out

Heres another place that is good has free shipping on a case of bulbs
https://4hydroponics.com/1000w-eye-hortilux-super-hps-lamps-case-of-6.html

You know....... Hortilux has their own ballast now

Its digital

I still doubt its the quality of magnetics
 
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flower~power

~Star~Crash~
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I dont trust the digitals w/HPS

And theres too many service issues

They are destine for eventual breakdown

Not magnetics

They are destine to be still working fine in 15 years
That’s debatable there’s a lot of advantages to the digital Ballasts specifically the phantom digital brand which is a very good brand first of all magnetic Ballasts weigh a ton and I move my stuff around also the mag ones run loud & hot ..But I agree they are workhorses will last longer ..The digitals have some cool features dimmable four ways and also they prevent automatic hot strike for when the power goes out & consequently surge protection during lightning storms
 
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flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
The digital ballasts are designed for the new bulbs ....the "digital" bulbs

I do believe its digilux bulbs for digital ballast performance wise is better

The big diff between the two ballasts is one is controlled by computer chip that is constantly changing re adjusting its flow of power etc etc

Hortilux Im very glad stay in business but not too compatible with digital ballasts

Also depends which digital ballast There might be one that works better with them

You would have to look around the lighting threads

I m pretty sure its a problem since they came out

Heres another place that is good has free shipping on a case of bulbs
https://4hydroponics.com/1000w-eye-hortilux-super-hps-lamps-case-of-6.html

You know....... Hortilux has their own ballast now

Its digital

I still doubt its the quality of magnetics
What’s interesting is that I switched some of the Ballasts around of the same brand and the problem seems to disappeared & when plugged them back it also disappeared I’m wondering if the bulbs have a break in period? I never heard of that before but it’s a possibility and let me tell you for better or worse these new bulbs are really freaking bright
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
So I decided to remove this plant from the 2400 watt room and put it into the 6000 watt room Going to keep company with The Daze here she is as of 1/2 hour ago ..pics don’t reveal I don’t know if you can count them but there’s 10 topso_O
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herbgreen

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What’s interesting is that I switched some of the Ballasts around of the same brand and the problem seems to disappeared & when plugged them back it also disappeared I’m wondering if the bulbs have a break in period? I never heard of that before but it’s a possibility and let me tell you for better or worse these new bulbs are really freaking bright
Yeah, I bet youre good then...:pimp3:

Took closer look @ the box

"New and improved e-ballast compatible"

They do have advantages....That is what they entice you with!:biggrin:

Hope they last for you

Yeah, the phantoms or Hortilux makes their own e-ballast now
 

flower~power

~Star~Crash~
ICMag Supporter
Yeah, I bet youre good then...:pimp3:

Took closer look @ the box

"New and improved e-ballast compatible"

They do have advantages....That is what they entice you with!:biggrin:

Hope they last for you

Yeah, the phantoms or Hortilux makes their own e-ballast now
The thing about the Hortilux ballast…Or at least the ones they advertise with the bulbs is that they’re actually attached to the reflector lamps which makes them useless for me ..all my current reflectors are light as feathers and I have to keep them that way..I can hang them with an eye hook and some light gauge wire & don’t have to worry about anything…Remember I’m only working out of a couple bedrooms..Ain’t no commercial facility in my future it’s just a hack job but I make it work to suit my needs
 

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