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gorilla ganja

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Ok thanks. But what about hermies in the F1 then, isn't there a higher chance getting hermies when using this pollen or is it just like using male pollen?
If either parent has hermie tendencies, then you are more likely to have hermies in the offspring.
Whether the parents are female, male, or reversed females makes no difference, only if they have intersex traits.
 

dilettante

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All seedlings but one New Caledonia x Auto Zamaldelica and two Hispar are up.

Lebanese and the early New Caledonia are drying. I'm waiting on the Zamaldelica to finish to shut down the tent.

Zamaldelica fem:

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New Caledonia reflowering:

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Grapefruit x BHBHPTF13A11:

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Green Haze x Zamaldelica:

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Nepal Mist:

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Haze x Kali China:

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Overview:

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dilettante

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I have spent the best part of the day at my guerrilla spot. Lovely weather. Soft earth. Very dry conditions. I hope it rains tonight. Or in the next couple of days since I have put seed into the beds and didn't water. Only input this year is about a kilo and a half of horn meal.

I direct seeded the following:

4x 20 Nepal Jam/Kali China x Purple Satellite
4x 20 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite x Green Mountain Grape
2x 35 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite#1 x Purple Satellite - Panama pheno
2x 20 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite#2 x Purple Satellite - PS pheno
25 Shogun/Purple Satellite x Purple Satellite

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dilettante

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Looks like nice soil.
It is. In fact it is the very best I had ever the pleasure to dig through. It grows nettles, atropa belladonna, raspberries, hops and elder. Super soft loess with a top layer of already decomposed spruce needles. In the last 3 years I was adding pelleted cow manure. About 10 kg per year for the whole spot. I'm skipping that now and we will see how it works out.
 
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gorilla ganja

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It grows nettles, atropa belladonna, raspberries, hops and elder. Super soft with a top layer of already decomposed spruce needles.
Sounds perfect. If there are still some nettles growing around there they make a good tea for cannabis. You can dilute it and a little goes a long way.
Quite the line up you have. :tiphat: Did you make all those hybrids your trying there?
 

bonghopper

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I have spent the best part of the day at my guerrilla spot. Lovely weather. Soft earth. Very dry conditions. I hope it rains tonight. Or in the next couple of days since I have put seed into the beds and didn't water. Only input this year is about a kilo and a half of horn meal.

I direct seeded the following:

4x 20 Nepal Jam/Kali China x Purple Satellite
4x 20 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite x Green Mountain Grape
2x 35 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite#1 x Purple Satellite - Panama pheno
2x 20 BangiCongoPanama/Purple Satellite#2 x Purple Satellite - PS pheno
25 Shogun/Purple Satellite x Purple Satellite

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Nice plot! The indicator plants are a great sign of fertility. Looking forward to seeing this grow. I see you have discovered the breeding potential of Purple satellite, it has some strong attributes, have been loving that one as a grower and toker, and crossing it. Really enjoying some Mountain Gold x Purple Satellite/UEL at the moment, jar of #3 is nearly empty, some nice seeds in there though! You know UEL?
Awesome plot, do you mulch lightly with browns/straws after sowing to slow evaporation or after they come up? The elder makes great mulch, twigs decomposed in 2yrs if kept moist.

Tried any of the resinous Lebanese? Thanks for all the updates
 

dilettante

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Quite the line up you have. :tiphat: Did you make all those hybrids your trying there?

In the last two years I was trying to cross my Ace collection with Purple Satellite to make it finish in October. What I seeded yesterday is what was made last year. The two best growing mother plants plus a Purple Satellite leaner with a good high and the super resinous Shogun cross.

The GMG cross is from a friend who had one of my Bangi Congo/Panama x Purple Satellite trees growing in his garden.
 

dilettante

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Nice plot! The indicator plants are a great sign of fertility. Looking forward to seeing this grow. I see you have discovered the breeding potential of Purple satellite, it has some strong attributes, have been loving that one as a grower and toker, and crossing it. Really enjoying some Mountain Gold x Purple Satellite/UEL at the moment, jar of #3 is nearly empty, some nice seeds in there though! You know UEL?
Awesome plot, do you mulch lightly with browns/straws after sowing to slow evaporation or after they come up? The elder makes great mulch, twigs decomposed in 2yrs if kept moist.

Tried any of the resinous Lebanese? Thanks for all the updates

I'm glad you are enjoying the updates. It's nice to be able to share the gardening pleasure with you guys.

I didn't mulch. Maybe I should have. My mind was set on the idea that it will rain this week. It's the first time I try direct seeding. Usually I would mulch when cutting back the vegetation a little later in the season.

I have heard a little about the UEL here on the forum, but that's it. How is the effect on the UEL?

The Purple Satellite is quite nice indeed. Mold resistant, fairly early, strong vigor, pretty colors, enjoyable high. It did speed up the flowering onset in the crosses I tried last year. It dominated the Shogun in terms of habitus. Not so much the Bangi Congo/Panama. There I had one PS pheno out of six.

I didn't try the Lebanese yet. Not quite dry enough yet.
 
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In the last two years I was trying to cross my Ace collection with Purple Satellite to make it finish in October. What I seeded yesterday is what was made last year. The two best growing mother plants plus a Purple Satellite leaner with a good high and the super resinous Shogun cross.

The GMG cross is from a friend who had one of my Bangi Congo/Panama x Purple Satellite trees growing in his garden.

I don't know if this one will work out but I'm in the process of trying to pop 2 beans now. They were very light colored in the pack and are popping slowly but promising. It sounds like an interesting combination. They were a one time shot for Lucky13 and aren't available any more but it may give you ideas.


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bonghopper

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I'm glad you are enjoying the updates. It's nice to be able to share the gardening pleasure with you guys.

I didn't mulch. Maybe I should have. My mind was set on the idea that it will rain this week. It's the first time I try direct seeding. Usually I would mulch when cutting back the vegetation a little later in the season.

I have heard a little about the UEL here on the forum, but that's it. How is the effect on the UEL?

The Purple Satellite is quite nice indeed. Mold resistant, fairly early, strong vigor, pretty colors, enjoyable high. It did speed up the flowering onset in the crosses I tried last year. It dominated the Shogun in terms of habitus. Not so much the Bangi Congo/Panama. There I had one PS pheno out of six.

I didn't try the Lebanese yet. Not quite dry enough yet.
If there's no worries with drying out then best not to mulch for the start so there's less habitat for slugs and snails, you had the good intuition : ) Fair play for direct seeding, hope that works out for you, have heard wonderful things about it. We don't really have a long enough season for that here. They only start coming up in June.

There are many selections of UEL, I started at F5 now at F8, selecting for lemon and cedar terps, nice clean, functional high, with minimised afterhigh/stoneover and for good septoria resistance. Can always send you some over if you'd like to try?
The UEL with rubber / chem terps is really sedating.
Arnold's got a nice selection on seedheaven https://seedheaven.org/product/ultra-early-sativa/ doesn't have the best septoria resistance though.
Purple Satellite x UEL finished a month earlier than PS,
Mountain Gold x UEL jars are nearly finished, I prefer them to straight MG,

You get the Oaxacan leaning Purple Satellite - 'effervescent' terps, longer, thinner flowers, slightly less purple?
 
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dilettante

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I don't know if this one will work out but I'm in the process of trying to pop 2 beans now. They were very light colored in the pack and are popping slowly but promising. It sounds like an interesting combination. They were a one time shot for Lucky13 and aren't available any more but it may give you ideas.


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Sexy write up on the Return of the Mangos from Space. Makes me want to breed the Zamaldelica fem and the Auto Zamaldelica to the Purple Satellite. Thx mate. Good luck with the seeds!
 

dilettante

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If there's no worries with drying out then best not to mulch for the start so there's less habitat for slugs and snails, you had the good intuition : ) Fair play for direct seeding, hope that works out for you, have heard wonderful things about it. We don't really have a long enough season for that here. They only start coming up in June.

There are many selections of UEL, I started at F5 now at F8, selecting for lemon and cedar terps, nice clean, functional high, with minimised afterhigh/stoneover and for good septoria resistance. Can always send you some over if you'd like to try?
The UEL with rubber / chem terps is really sedating.
Arnold's got a nice selection on seedheaven https://seedheaven.org/product/ultra-early-sativa/ doesn't have the best septoria resistance though.
Purple Satellite x UEL finished a month earlier than PS,
Mountain Gold x UEL jars are nearly finished, I prefer them to straight MG,

You get the Oaxacan leaning Purple Satellite - 'effervescent' terps, longer, thinner flowers, slightly less purple?
Not sure what effervescent means. All of them were very similar, on the sweet side. One two years ago had just a much stronger smell than the rest. In general I find the PS doesn't yield very much in my spot. I assume it likes more direkt sun and fertility in the soil. That is something that can be improved by outcrossing. Making it a month earlier is not that interesting for me. It would mean an end of August to early September finish, which in my experience with Guerilla Gold crosses means more botrytis pressure and would make me do the harvest season for two months rather than one. Anyhow thx for your kind offer. UEL lemon cedar sounds nice.

It's the first time I try direct seeding. It somehow didn't occur to me before. Well, once I just dumped the seeded leftovers from water hash making in the garden and then transplanted the seedlings. This time the Auto Zamaldelica seeds I put in a big pot in the garden in early April were eaten by mice or some other wildlife. Something germinated in my discarded soil (Nepali Mountain Ganja possibly) in the garden in late February. Went through all the light frost we had and is picking up speed now. Maybe 15 cm big now.

I'm curious to see how many will live in the guerrilla spot. I have a lot of seeds. If I could do spots direct seeded, even if one in a hundred grows to maturity, that would be great. If I have time I will do a few more spots just to see if they can establish themselves from seed. Set and forget breeding spots. Dig, amend, toss in a handful of seed, come back to slash vegetation and then to harvest. That's the goal. Lazy growing. Selection for outdoor hardiness. In the end I dream of doing guerilla minimal effort hash spots with tailor made cultivars :smoke:
 
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dilettante

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Last plants pulled down yesterday (GHxZ and Zamaldelica). I have run out of patience. Spider mites were taking over and my random manual switching of the light made the Zamaldelica throw nanners (my only timer was needed for the seedlings light).

The finger hash from the two kept me awake for half of the night. Very enjoyable though.

Zamaldelica fem:

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She smells fruitier and sweeter than the GHxZ. The smell has a strong chemical component to it. My wife said rubber, fresh rubber gloves.

Despite the very early pollination I should have about 100 seeds each.
 
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dilettante

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Seedlings started on the 11th of April went into the guerilla spot yesterday on the 10th of May.

From the 270 seeds planted on the 19th of April directly into the spot there are only about 10 very young plants (first true leaves) growing. We had a cold spell of between a few days after planting and it ended just this Friday.
 
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