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increasing selection numbers in closet breeding

Telepod

Member
*disclaimer* I am high.

that being said, I think I have a good idea for how small-scale breeders with limited space can increase the number of females they are able to grow and smoke-test.

It's a sort of a SOG or sea of clones, but each is a small clone of a different plant grown from the seedlot being tested. You could top each plant, say after six or eight nodes of growth but leaving a 1 or 2 inch long cutting (enough to root) and sticking the cuttings in a bubbling cloner... everything labeled and organized of course.

By the time your cuttings have pooped roots, been transferred into soil (or whatever system U youse) and established themselves, enough time may have passed (2-3 weeks) that they are mature and ready to flower anyway. if not then force maturation, what the hell, and flower them... with such small plants you would have room for many more per square foot, only each is still a different seed plant, and each has a labeled 'mother plant' waiting in the wings. I should backtrack and add that the original topped plants ought to be trained and pruned into mother plants while the clones are being flowered out.

Now this is only worth considering if the smoke-test is all important or if you are breeding for SOG; there is no way to see what a full-size plant is going to do with this method. Many of the traits we find important are concentrated in the dried, finished bud however so selection based on this is still valid. Relative yield and vigor could still be established by observation of small clones... no matter how you grow you will be selecting for what works in your environment, so this method doesn't change that.

Actually there are a number of drawbacks to this idea, namely the potential of forced maturation (which some say affects the character of the growth or more often the high of the finished bud, versus fully mature plants), and also the much higher plant count == increased risk in most countries. In countries with less risk, one probably wouldn't have as many space constraints.
On the whole I can't decide if it's worth trying or not...
the other advantage over growing fewer, larger plants would be speeded up development time versus running multiple trials (to get the same plant numbers).

Is anyone still reading this far? ;) Great, tell me what you think. How important do you think it is to select from larger numbers of plants? Will it increase the stability or consistency of your final hybrid, or only your chance of finding that "one-in-a-million" individual plant?

Trying to stimulate some thought,

-Telepod
 

JLP

Active member
Veteran
Well,you have me at a disadvantage,I'm not high(yet),but I think I uderstand.

I've heard people use a similar thing to sex thier plants.
Grow the seeling till you can take a clone then flower the clone to deyermine the sex of the mothers and then discard the "male mothers".

Personally,I guess I kind of do what you're talking about except with out the cloning part.I start seedlings and flower at about 4''-6'' or about 3 weeks after they pop.

A larger plant may produce more,but I don't think you can change the genetic code in the seed by flowering early.With Indicas it can give you a very small plant,Bonsia looking,but with hardcore Sativas(Haze,Thai) it is sometimes best to start the seeds from the begining on 12/12 to reduce stretch and flowering times.

What I do sometimes if a plant looks really good in flower,I'll take a clone from it anyway,the earlier the better but I have taken clones from plants THE DAY I HARVESTED THEM.Yeah,I know,they got buds on them,but trust me,they will root.As long as the plant is still alive.

You're right about the plant numbers though.I could fill my house if I wanted to,but I couldn't sleep at night


JLP:)
 

Canna Wurms

Member
Hi Telepod,

Sounds like it's worth trying. My grow room is 7' X 8' with a cloning cabinet in one corner. I usually grow up 6 plants at a time under two 400 W lamps (1 hps and 1 mh). I may be able to double that using your method.

Now I have to go buy smaller pots........heh heh.
 
As you said it is only good for the smoke test of your mothers, not really good for on overall test but after you have nowwoed it down to the mothers with the best high you can start to find the ones with good growth traits
 

BushyOldGrower

Bubblegum Specialist
Veteran
Another obvious strategy...

Another obvious strategy...

Not disagreeing but just wanted to point out that large selections can be done over long periods of time rather than growing huge numbers all at once. In my case I exclusively grow my strains over several years. I watch for the special plant and in this way I eventually find a special one. Just my 2 cents... BOG ;)

That's how I found Sour Bubble but it took about 3-4 years...
 

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