Gibberellic Acid and me?

[Capn]

I've just received 5grams of the 20% powder and am about to start testing it on some specimens.

I'm was wondering if any of you fine hooligans have had any experiences with the stuff and if you had any PPM dosage recommendations? Does it end up making plants taste funny or whatnot?

Same goes for the Brassinolide accept i have yet to order it.

Thanks in advance
Stay High!

 

[~fvk~]

Are you trying to reverse some of your plants? I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to smoke the plants you use GA on but it's been awhile since I've looked into it. I left breeding for the guys that have the time and space, maybe someday though. Good luck man, hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[Capn]

Thanks for stopping by FVK!

No not trying to reverse em, I heard GA and Brassinolide were good for reducing environmental stresses and increasing overall health and vigor as well as yield.

My goal is have beefier buds than would be otherwise possible without the use of such hormones.

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Are you using it for accelerated growth, or to promote nanners?

I fem some seeds every once in a while, so I got some GA (Mega-Grow) a while back, to see if it would work better than the salicylic acid (aspirin) method, to throw-out some nanners. Using as directed, it burns the leaves and seems to stress the ladies a bit too much for my liking. Found it worked best if you raise the lights before applying, spray it on a lower branch or two, and let it dry for a few minutes. Rinse (spray) any residual off the leaves, and when that dries, lower the lights back to normal. Repeat as necessary.

Having said that...light interruption works best for me. That way I don't have to worry about weird shit going into my smokables.

Some say that this stuff is potentially dangerous, so keep that in mind at harvest time. I'm doubtful at these concentrations that it is truly 'dangerous', but have no evidence to back me up. Nor have I ever seen hard evidence that at the tiny concentrations, GA is dangerous.

If using it for accelerated growth...it makes sativa and sativa doms stretch like a SOB, but again...smoking the GA soaked plants brings you back to the warnings.

edit:
Have you looked into molasses, Sweet, or any of the many other bulking agents normally used?

 

[Capn]

Gotcha Rusty, thanks for the input! Yea, I wanted to use it for accelerated growth, and I grow 12/12 from rooted cutting. I have about 4feet or so of head space for my plants, tho id prefer not to use it all. I have tried Clearex before and wasn't to pleased with my results. All the glucose seemed to just feed the bacteria in my res and gunk things up. I did have some fat nasty cola's of below quality ganja, Tho I believe the quality problem was on account it was bag seed.

I guess I'll stick to testing it on some breeder plants, Wonder if the hash from them will be usable for edibles?

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Personally, I wouldn't be overly concerned about using the trichomes, as I doubt the GA is stored in there. I'm pretty sure it's mobile, but within the leaf/stem tissue.

And regardless...the concentration levels would likely be insignificant. (depending on how much you use, and for how long, and at what stage)

Yes...I have smoked a mature plant sprayed with GA in veg. (had to try, lol) No aftertaste, no harshness, and I didn't grow another thumb. But it is a practice I don't recommend, (especially for med users) nor do I use it any more myself. I am out of GA, and have no plans to re-purchase. There are 'safer' (less controversial) alternatives.

Also...it really doesn't matter what product you use...if impatience is the main problem, lol.

 

[Capn]

Sweet! I'm thankful to hear that! Glad you didn't grow any extra appendages, although having another arm may be useful in the garden? I just have a small 17 lady sog that I'm just trying to tweak into perfection. I've still yet to find any negative research about smoking stuff that has had either of the above hormones introduced to it tho? Can you provide me with any info please? I'd greatly appreciate it!

I've learned that the hard way already, trust me!

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Not at all familiar with the other stuff, but about the GA:

Likely, linking to another site is not allowed in the posts, and I'm guessing I can't pm yet...so I added a visitor message to your control panel.

In the message is a link I started (albeit from another site) that may or may not help. I was disappointed in the answers, but a couple of interesting points were made.

But if it's ok to provide external links in the posts, I'll post it...
Would it matter if it's a reference link, rather than a commercial one?

Shit...guess I better go read the rules again. <sigh>

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Crap..double posted trying to edit...sorry.

 

[Mr. Stinky]

the burn is caused by the HID lights, not the GA. spraying water on leaves that are close to HID(especially MH in my experience) will burn em bad. 100ppm will throw lotsa nanners... 35ppm will make the clones stretch and initiate growth.

 

[Rusty Trichome]

I'm always careful to raise the lights when spraying anything, and yes, it still has a tendency to burn enough to prevent further photosynthesis. Tried different solutions per the GA website, and was either too weak to do it's job when asked, or, I'd get the results and necrosis. No PPM meter, but fairly accurate teaspoons, lol.
Was just an experimental 8oz bottle, but gave me something to try. Also, it gave me a better understanding of plant biology and commercial farming looking for info on the stuff.

 

[Capn]

I don't plan on spraying them, if anything i was gonna add the substances right to the res. I do own a ppm meter and the such so I'm pretty sure I'm going to give this a go at least once. I'm definitely going to try it out on a few plants before i take it to my main grow tho.
Thanks Rusty and Stinky!

I was going to try like 5-10 ppms at first and see where it goes from there. I plan on combining the GA with the Brassinolide treatment to see how these work togeather. Hopefully the results will be synergistic.

 

[Rusty Trichome]

I've only done the foliar. Never had the desire to add it to my soil. Perhaps it was an 'instant gratification' thing though, lol. All I can add, is just use care, especially if you share.

 

[Herbatonist]

Oh he shares...he better share! Sharing is caring!

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Oh he shares...he better share! Sharing is caring!

Likely that is a decision that requires more thought. Would be a bitch finding out you dosed your best friend with a compound that his particular system couldn't deal with, or if his wife grew a moustache...

I don't mind me being a guinea pig, because I understand the risks. But I draw the line at potentially endangering my friends and family, on an additive I couldn't guarantee was innert. And don't get me started on offering this to med patients/users without their knowledge. That's really bad karma.

 

[Capn]

These compounds occur naturally in the plant. We've been smoking them already so I'm not to worried about another potential 25ppm. If there was a high risk of allergic reaction to it they probably wouldn't use it in the fruit/vegetable market.

I do understand where your coming from tho and I totally agree with that aspect of using any product your uncertain of.

 

[Mc__Nugget]

i would just let the plants grow and develop the way nature intended them, maybe slower, but i thinks its the way to go.

 

[Capn]

Been there done that Mc Nugget. Now I'm trying to see what a little something extra will do to them.

Thanks for your input regardless!

 

[Rusty Trichome]

Have you tried using humates or auxins? Altho the GA is 'known' as a growth stimulator, be aware it seems to elongate stems, more than it bulks, in my experience. I'd be mindful of this with sativa's, lol.

Stressing the plant into hermaphrodism is the other known function, so careful with overdosing...

Also, from what I understand...
GA is a synthetic, not a natural substance...and should be treated as an unknown hazard till proven otherwise. Especially when vaporized into unknown compounds. (smoked)
GA is not 'processed-out' of a plant as it ages, it builds. So the total GA for the plant (natural and synthetic) is built-up over the life of the plant.
Since the GA isn't processed-out, the effects can continue throughout the life of the plant, including flowering stage.

OK...I stated all the detractors I could think of throughout this post...just be careful, and don't hurt anyone, lol.

 

[OldMan&theWeed]

GA and jasmonic acid have been shown to have a synergistic effect on trichome induction

Gibberellin appears to have a primary role in initiating trichomes. In one study in the presence of gibberellin, leaves of plants treated with jasmonic acid increased 48.9% in trichome density and 93.1% in trichome number. The increase was only about 5% for the plants treated with GA alone.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=281631

I think it's a very sly method of increasing trichome production. Just realize that you are tricking the plant into thinking it's being attacked by insects. This may carry other ramifications other than increased trichome production. TIMING will be the most important factor for a successful use of Jasmonates in conjunction with GA. It looks like it it should be applied when the vast majority of your calyx development is completed, and then in very minute quantities.