FirstTimeGrower

[Woven]

Hello Everyone, I’m excited to share with you all my journey as well as learn from the community. Big thank you to everyone that has came before me for sharing your knowledge and experiences. I have recently fell into the rabbit hole of cannabis history and where these modern hybrids come from. That’s when I made the decision to finally start growing my own. I’m also learning about the breeders that do the actual work of creating these strains. I’m learning a lot as I go and couldn’t be more thankful to have access to such an amazing plant.

The plant with droopy leaves I think was overwatered. I’m currently dealing with warmer temperatures. One of the plants I accidentally cut off the new growth while topping. These are all in 5 gal pots that aren’t full all the way so maybe 3.5-4 gal. Im using organic amendments.

The Genetics come from Masonic Seeds. At the time I didn’t have much knowledge about breeding so I wasn’t aware of the difference between untested gear and tested. As a new grower I’m gonna try my best to study these plants and see if I notice anything unusual. (hermaphroditic trait).

Pic 1: (Cherry Berry x Wilson)
Pic 2 (Dosido Animal Cookies x Wilson)
Pic 3: (La Pure Kush x Wilson) x Cherry Wine CBD
Pic 4: (Dosido Animal Cookies x Wilson)

Thanks for looking !

 

[Woven]

These pictures were from the other day.

 

[Woven]

Any guesses on why one of the plants is showing signs of nutrient deficiency. I recently added a very light top dress of black soldier fly insect frass that is rich in nitrogen to help. From my understanding that is going to be released slowly and uptaken by the plant as it becomes available. One of my guesses is that the ph of the water is causing nutrient lockout? I’ve yet to test my water for ph and ppm. I will be getting a meter for both asap. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

 

[40degsouth]

Hey Woven, looks to me like a potassium deficiency, or maybe magnesium, as the plant goes into flower. Being a mobile nutrient, the plant will pull it out of the lower leaves, to start with and use it in other parts of the plant. Some plants/strains need more than others and feed/metabolise nutrients differently, therefore a custom blend may be necessary. Also root-bound plants in containers will need more tweeting because they’re in a difficult environment for them to flourish. Lockouts and major problems can also occur when the soil becomes too hot so, maybe, wrap some cardboard around the pots to help stop this.
The other side of the coin is toxicity, or over feeding nutrients and as you say create a domino effect of problems through numerous lockouts that can lead to chasing your tail. For example, the last three photos are exhibiting signs of nitrogen toxicity, given how dark green they are but of course, this could just be the light the photo was taken in.
If you believe you could be dealing with a toxicity issue, flush with fresh water, or what l would do, is put them in a bucket of water, pull the pot out and let the water run through the potted soil back into the bucket, back in, back out etc, do this with all the pots, in say a 20 litre bucket and then reuse this for watering and feedings so you don’t waste your fertilisers. Salt build up can be a real issue in small containers/pots but l don’t think this is what you’re dealing with.
You could also do this one by one and check the run off for ph.
If you believe you’re dealing with a deficiency, then that’s a lot easier to deal with; get a spray bottle and spray them down with whatever nutrients you believe they’re lacking, i.e. a foliar feeding (you can do this in flower but l wouldn’t if they’re starting to stack) and feed the roots half the recommended dose until they come right; or alternatively feed half the recommended dose of a seaweed solution until they come right.
Hope this helps you out and gives you a few avenues for study. (If you’re into organics maybe google Steve Soloman and if you’re into reading have a look at the “Growing Large Plants Outdoors” thread.)
Cheers,
40.

 

[Woven]

Hey Woven, looks to me like a potassium deficiency, or maybe magnesium, as the plant goes into flower. Being a mobile nutrient, the plant will pull it out of the lower leaves, to start with and use it in other parts of the plant. Some plants/strains need more than others and feed/metabolise nutrients differently, therefore a custom blend may be necessary. Also root-bound plants in containers will need more tweeting because they’re in a difficult environment for them to flourish. Lockouts and major problems can also occur when the soil becomes too hot so, maybe, wrap some cardboard around the pots to help stop this.
The other side of the coin is toxicity, or over feeding nutrients and as you say create a domino effect of problems through numerous lockouts that can lead to chasing your tail. For example, the last three photos are exhibiting signs of nitrogen toxicity, given how dark green they are but of course, this could just be the light the photo was taken in.
If you believe you could be dealing with a toxicity issue, flush with fresh water, or what l would do, is put them in a bucket of water, pull the pot out and let the water run through the potted soil back into the bucket, back in, back out etc, do this with all the pots, in say a 20 litre bucket and then reuse this for watering and feedings so you don’t waste your fertilisers. Salt build up can be a real issue in small containers/pots but l don’t think this is what you’re dealing with.
You could also do this one by one and check the run off for ph.
If you believe you’re dealing with a deficiency, then that’s a lot easier to deal with; get a spray bottle and spray them down with whatever nutrients you believe they’re lacking, i.e. a foliar feeding (you can do this in flower but l wouldn’t if they’re starting to stack) and feed the roots half the recommended dose until they come right; or alternatively feed half the recommended dose of a seaweed solution until they come right.
Hope this helps you out and gives you a few avenues for study. (If you’re into organics maybe google Steve Soloman and if you’re into reading have a look at the “Growing Large Plants Outdoors” thread.)
Cheers,
40.

I really appreciate the response 40, thank you. I will definitely go through each avenue and learn as much as I can. This was really helpful.

 

[40degsouth]

My absolute pleasure Woven, I’m happy you found it helpful. You could also flush the pots and transplant them into bigger pots before flowering too, which would increase the size of the plants and your yield and help with your issues as well.
40.

 

[Woven]

Update: I’ve been watering the plants with water only and have noticed that 3 of the 4 plants are going into flower; while the cbd strain is taking a bit longer than the rest. I did as 40degsouth suggested and used cardboard boxes that i had available to in a sense wrap them. I can even adjust the lids to allow less sunlight to hits pots so they don’t dry up as quickly. So far no negative signs so will continue to keep them there until I notice any changes. It’s been about 9 days since I notice the first signs of flower with white pistils shooting out. I wish I could’ve transplanted them into bigger containers but my only option available on hand was 30 gal pots. Unfortunately this year I don’t enough soil to fill them up enough for all 4 of these ladies. As I continue to grow I plan on building the soil I have as well as creating my own mixes by sourcing local products. That’s all for now I’ll be back soon with more updates, thanks for looking!

 

[40degsouth]

Hey Woven,
those plants are looking great . I love the cardboard box idea, that’s a really good one. Being able to see your set up, a bit better, in the last photo, I will also recommend you check out the “Sip not Slurp” thread where some really good growers are making and integrating, wicking beds into their setups. These work really well indoors and outdoors.
Not sure if you know but sativas usually require a lot less fertiliser than the more heavy feeding indica strains.
Good luck for the next few weeks,
40.

 

[Woven]

Hey Woven,
those plants are looking great . I love the cardboard box idea, that’s a really good one. Being able to see your set up, a bit better, in the last photo, I will also recommend you check out the “Sip not Slurp” thread where some really good growers are making and integrating, wicking beds into their setups. These work really well indoors and outdoors.
Not sure if you know but sativas usually require a lot less fertiliser than the more heavy feeding indica strains.
Good luck for the next few weeks,
40.

Hey there 40! Thank you for the reply I really appreciate it. I'm glad these images were able to give you a better picture of my setup. I'll try to take some better close ups. As far as sativas go, I am not familiar with growing them and how they react. I will definitely keep that in mind when I feed. I'm also gonna go looking for that "Sip not Slurp" thread because I think that will be very helpful.
Best,
Woven

 

[Woven]

Here’s some recent photos of the ladies. For the most part things seem to be going good, but could be better in a few areas. Nonetheless, I’m impressed with how these are turning out! The Christmas tree looking one is packing on a lot of trichomes early on. I’ll follow up with a few close ups of a few of the plants; except for the sativa one since that one has yet to start flower. Thanks for looking !

 

[Woven]

Here are those flower shots !

 

[Creeperpark]

Looking good, I like how you put the plants in boxes to keep the heat down. You have about 6 more weeks left so hang in there and be patient.

 

[Woven]

Looking good, I like how you put the plants in boxes to keep the heat down. You have about 6 more weeks left so hang in there and be patient.

Thanks creeper I appreciate the response !

 

[40degsouth]

Hey Woven
It’s difficult to see but some of those photos look like the plants are “praying” for magnesium; the leaves start to cup. If they’re doing this they’re probably zinc deficient too.
Be careful chasing the dragon’s tail.
40

 

[Woven]

Hey Woven
It’s difficult to see but some of those photos look like the plants are “praying” for magnesium; the leaves start to cup. If they’re doing this they’re probably zinc deficient too.
Be careful chasing the dragon’s tail.
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Hey 40, thank you for the response. I haven't done much feeding since the last time I top dressed some of build a soil craft blend and black soldier fly insect frass about a month ago. Last Friday was week two of flower so I did some feeding of coconut powder, bio-phos, and build a bloom. Since then I've been using plain water. I feel like I'm experiencing some deficiency but I'm not sure how to go about it. Thank you for providing the diagram it's gonna be very helpful. I'll take some more pictures today hopefully those will provide a better view.

Best,
Woven

 

[40degsouth]

Hey Woven,
thank you for being so open to my comments and giving me the feedback of what you’re doing.
You’re using organic inputs that you’ve obviously reasearched really hard....but they will only work in soil four to six weeks before you put them in.....not straight away
You could soak these inputs in a bucket of water and then apply them as a tea
Once it starts to stink really bad that means the anerobic bacteria are off the charts.....but it’s still a better feed for the plants than putting frass on top of the soil and thinking that’s feeding the plants

 

[Woven]

Hey Woven,
thank you for being so open to my comments and giving me the feedback of what you’re doing.
You’re using organic inputs that you’ve obviously reasearched really hard....but they will only work in soil four to six weeks before you put them in.....not straight away
You could soak these inputs in a bucket of water and then apply them as a tea
Once it starts to stink really bad that means the anerobic bacteria are off the charts.....but it’s still a better feed for the plants than putting frass on top of the soil and thinking that’s feeding the plants

Of course 40! And yes you're correct the top dress that I applied won't be readily available for the plants until broken down. My thought was applying earlier would in return benefit in time like now when the nutrients will be needed. As for the other stuff I added that was done through a soil drench. Those products are water soluble so I'm assuming that they will be plant available as opposed to a top dress?

 

[Woven]

Here is a close up of one of the Dosi animal cookies x Wilson that is experiencing some type of deficiency or toxicity; not 100% sure which of the two. These images were from a couple days ago just didn’t have time to post. Thanks for looking !

 

[Woven]

Hey everyone,

I know it’s been some time since I last posted, but no worries we have been staying busy. Last time I posted I was experiencing some deficiencies that I thought could be related to ph. I check the ph of my water and it was on the alkaline side. Since then I’ve been adjusting the ph when I water. This Friday will mark the end of week 5 and beginning of week 6. The aromas coming off the plants is amazing !
1. LA Pure Kush x Cherry Wine CBD
2-3. Dosido Animal Cookies x Wilson
4. Cherry Berry x Wilson

 

[Woven]

1. LA Pure Kush x Cherry Wine CBD
2. Cherry Berry x Wilson
3. Dosido Animal Cookies x Wilson
4. Dosido Animal Cookies x Wilson