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DRUG USERS: 'FIGHT CONTINUES'

Rider420

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Drug users say B.C. 'fight continues' during decriminalization amid safe supply calls​

DRUG USERS: 'FIGHT CONTINUES'​

The Canadian Press - Feb 1, 2023 / 11:49 am


Members of an advocacy group for drug users have gathered to celebrate the start of decriminalization in British Columbia and discuss how they will "fight back" against any efforts to seize illicit substances that meet the 2.5-gram threshold allowed under the first such policy in Canada.

The meeting at the office of the Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users (VANDU) on the first day of the new policy began with a man handing out "know your rights" cards.

They say people aged 18 and over carrying up to 2.5 grams of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA, or ecstasy, for their own use will not have those drugs confiscated. There's also a list of reasons why someone would not be protected, including possessing any amount of any other substance, trafficking or selling drugs.

Decriminalization began in B.C. on Tuesday after the federal government granted the province's request for an exemption from the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act as part of a plan to combat an overdose crisis that has claimed over 11,000 lives there since 2016. The pilot project is slated to continue for three years.

People who carry the permitted amount of drugs will not be arrested or charged, and police can no longer seize their substances. The B.C. government says the aim of decriminalization is to reduce stigma so people struggling with addiction are more likely to reach out for help.

Vincent Tao, a community organizer with VANDU, told about 30 people packed into a room that the pilot is "just a foot in the door" for the group, which has been advocating for decriminalization for its entire 25-year history.

It was also involved in a legal battle against the former Conservative government to keep open Insite, North America's first supervised consumption site, and celebrated that victory following a Supreme Court of Canada ruling in 2011.

"The fight continues," Tao told the gathering of former and current drug users.

"But ultimately, the power and the discretion still lies in the hands of the cops. So, we've got to keep an eye on these things. Report back, right to this room," he said of the group's efforts to compile a database of people's experiences.

"We will, with the support of our partners, friends and allies, keep track of this experiment in our lives for the next three years."

Members of VANDU, who were at the "core planning table" of meetings on decriminalization for about a year with others including Moms Stop the Harm, police and the B.C. government, suggested 18 grams as a threshold.

The B.C. government applied for 4.5 grams, but as a cumulative amount for all the permitted drugs, while police wanted a total of one gram.

Tao called for drug users to be "armed" with their rights cards during any police interactions, noting officers will not be carrying scales and only "eyeballing" substances they believe could be over the threshold.

Fiona Wilson, vice-president of the British Columbia Association of Chiefs of Police, which represents 9,200 members, said Monday that the province's death toll from illicit, toxic drugs, many cut with the opioid fentanyl, is double the national average.

"Destigmatization is a significant step toward making our drug policies more progressive. And it recognizes that substance use is a health and not a police matter. Police can now focus on those doing the most harm in this crisis — persons and organized crime groups who import, manufacture and distribute these toxic substances."

Mental Health and Addictions Minister Jennifer Whiteside has said the province is working toward providing more treatment and harm-reduction services after expanding programs to offer a safer supply of alternative drugs.

Caitlin Shane, a staff lawyer with the Pivot Legal Society, which has also called for a higher threshold, told those assembled at VANDU she was concerned that a benchmark for evaluating the success of decriminalization may be a marked reduction in overdose deaths. Shane also worried about the need for adequate supports for those who need them.

Ottawa and B.C. are still trying to work out which indicators will be used to evaluate the policy, but publicly available data are expected to be updated online every three months.

"We can't measure the success of (decriminalization) by lives being saved or not because the fact is that decriminalization today does not mean that we can walk out tomorrow and have access to a regulated drug supply. It does nothing for the drug supply," Shane said.

"So, we need to be clear that what we're measuring here is incarceration rates, cops in people's lives, reducing stigma."

Garth Mullins, a board member of VANDU, has criticized both levels of government for relying on police to hand out information cards that would refer people who use drugs to voluntary health services.

Mullins told the group that a measure of decriminalization's success would be less police intervention.

"We gotta fight for how this thing is measured. Luckily, we've had 25 years of fighting," he says of VANDU's efforts to open Insite, which received a federal exemption in 2003. The facility, which is about six blocks away in the Downtown Eastside, allows people to shoot up their own drugs under medical supervision.

Members of VANDU were also instrumental in opening unsanctioned overdose prevention sites before the B.C. government allowed them to operate as the death toll from toxic drugs rose, forcing the province to declare a public health emergency in 2016.

Now, Mullins says he's concerned about Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's stance against decriminalization. He reminded the group that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also vowed not to introduce the policy before reversing course last May with an approval of B.C.'s application.

After celebrating the start of decriminalization, members of VANDU bowed their heads in a moment of silence to remember those who have fatally overdosed and to acknowledge the latest grim statistics released hours earlier by the B.C. Coroners Service. They showed 2,272 people died last year, the second-highest annual number after the previous year, when 34 more people lost their lives.

Eris Nyx, co-founder the Drug User Liberation Front (DULF), told the gathering she would continue her tradition of handing out free, tested heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine as she does every time the overdose numbers are updated.

Tuesday marked the 13th "Dope on Arrival" giveaway, Nyx said as people walked up to a table one by one to claim a package of drugs when their name was called.

"We are taking these drugs as a way to prove the community can control its own safer supply," she said.

"Here's the real tragedy. If we don't regulate the drug supply, people will die. And I'm telling you, do not use alone, especially if you're an opioid user."

The group has continued selling drugs, bought on the dark web, through a compassion club at an undisclosed location in the Downtown Eastside despite a rejection last year of its exemption application. Health Canada has said the controlled substances were illegally bought and produced.

Nyx says DULF will file an application for a judicial review of the decision.
 

Brother Nature

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All drugs should be legal and regulated as alcohol or tobacco is. Poorly made illegal moonshine used to make you blind in prohibition, but it still made Capone bank. Fentanyl cut dope kills you, but makes the cartels rich. We need a standard for dope and that'll never happen under prohibition. The Darknet has moved us closer as it's peer review based, you sell shit that's not what you say, it's getting out there and you're not selling more. It's a shame most of the rest of the black market don't get this. Keep your customers alive, they buy more that way.
 

Rider420

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Time will tell if they get this right or not. I'm hoping at least some good comes out of it.
That is what NARCS said about cannabis legalization that happened five years ago. Billions added to the GDP and fewer people jail. But NARCS claim its a failure because more people now use cannabis. Decriminalization is not about getting people to stop using drugs that's what NARCS want to believe its about normalization of drug use, its about your freedom of choice! Smoking a joint enjoying my life and tonight "have some fun".



I know that MDMA is a real killer just like cannabis eh. :LOL:
 
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St. Phatty

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The Drug War is prosecuted differently according to Ethnic Group.

When I lived in San Francisco I did math tutoring.

I had one student who was Jewish & good at animation.

He took prescription Ephedrine before a Calculus session.

There are millions of Gentile meth users who would like the same right.
 

Rider420

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The verdict is in fewer illicit drug deaths since decriminalization here in BC Canada.


The rate of toxic illicit drugs deaths appears to be on the decline in the Interior Health region.

May numbers from the BC Coroners Service show a rate of 3.6 deaths per 100,000 population in Interior Health, down from 4.2 in April. Across the region, 31 people lost their lives to toxic drugs last month.
 

Blue Rhino

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Time will tell if they get this right or not. I'm hoping at least some good comes out of it.
They haven't so far. They got lazy, looked at Portugal and said "Works for them". Sadly the lazy fucks in BC didn't pay attention to the rest of what Portugal did re: decriming. You can still be arrested for simple possession. Decriming didn't mean it was time for a free-for-all.
Unfortunately what's happening is the BC and federal govt are weaponizing addiction instead of trying to help people get out of addiction.
 

Gry

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When I was a young guy, I used to watch my neighbors struggle with
basic stuff like getting a Grignard to work for them.
They had fine Columbian. Was easy enough for me to
do a Grignard for them. We each got what we were
after, most of the time.
 
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Rider420

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I love MDMA its worth the time to buy 2.5 grams and then wait to get it tested, all legally! I loved MDMA far more then shrooms acid cannabis or booze. Decriminalization is great for the drug adventurer! But not so great for addicts full legalization is needed to save more lives.

Drugs and food are great fun. But some people can't handle thier lives then blame drugs and food for thier addictions.
Obese people waddling down the street ruining thier lives and taking a toll on the health care system. Or the drunks who can't go an hour without drinking are always claiming that it's somebody or somethings else's fault.

I feel sorry for people who don't understand that food or drugs are not the cause of thier addictions, if they were we would all be obese drunks.

What I get a good laugh from is stoners who claim illicit drugs are evil but then tell you to buy cannabis only from the black market.
 
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Blue Rhino

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"Safe supply" LOL There's no such thing. Whether you die from bad junk or OD on "safe supply" drugs, dead is still dead.
I mean what a progressive idea. Let's help addicts by continuing to feed their addiction. This is nothing more than the political weaponization of drug addiction.
 

Blue Rhino

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I feel sorry for people who don't understand that food or drugs are not the cause of thier addictions, if they were we would all be obese drunks.
And yet you support feeding the addictions of drug addicts instead of focusing on the cause of their addiction and trying to help them. Very progressive. :rolleyes:
 

Rider420

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Freedom comes with a price it allows morons will fuck up thier lives but the alternative is to force everyone to goose step in line.
The cause of addiction is just the lack the will power or intelligence to stop doing what is causing them harm. It really does not matter if its food, alcohol, tobacco, cannabis or illict drugs addicts have only themslefs to blame. Its just Darwinism in action while I enjoy drugs morons ruin thier lives. Just like while I enjoy my motorcycles morons crash and burn.
 

Rider420

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"Safe supply" LOL There's no such thing. Whether you die from bad junk or OD on "safe supply" drugs, dead is still dead.
I mean what a progressive idea. Let's help addicts by continuing to feed their addiction. This is nothing more than the political weaponization of drug addiction.
LOL your clueless! 8.5 million people die from legal drugs but your more worried about the half a million who die from illict drug mostly caused by a toxic supply. Do the math!
Almost six million people die from tobacco use and 2.5 million from harmful use of alcohol each year worldwide, the World Health Organization (WHO) reports.

Worldwide, about 500 000 deaths are attributable to drug use. More than 70% of these deaths are related to opioids, with more than 30% of those deaths caused by overdose.
 

Rider420

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"Safe supply" LOL There's no such thing. Whether you die from bad junk or OD on "safe supply" drugs, dead is still dead.
I mean what a progressive idea. Let's help addicts by continuing to feed their addiction. This is nothing more than the political weaponization of drug addiction.
Freedom of choice buddy! MAID
Dead is dead and we all have that choice in Canada!
Freedom of choice even in taking you own life.
That's freedom baby! But cowards hate freedom of any kind! KARMA in action.


Smoking a joint enjoying my freedom while fools cower in fear of the evil reefer eh.

BTW Your fear of death is funny I picked out my cemetery plot last month and enjoyed doing it. I have no longer have any fear of death it happens to everyone. Its not the destination but what you do on your TRIP that counts.
 
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