Did the ancients sleep on weed beds and pillows?

[Rider420]

FYI don't believe what you learned in school 20 years ago!
Overview: Neanderthals (the ‘th’ pronounced as ‘t’) are our closest extinct human relative.
Height: Males: average 5 ft 5 in (164 cm); Females: average 5 ft 1 in (155 cm)
Weight: Males: average 143 lbs (65 kg); Females: average 119 lbs (54 kg)
The fact is they were much smaller lighter and not as strong as people are today! Racist people thought Neanderthals must have been more animalistic then out ancestors but the facts are showing them as being more intelligent then our ancestors who likely caused thier genocide.

Homo neanderthalensis

humanorigins.si.edu

 

[Nannymouse]

I've no doubt that bags of grain, maybe even in animal hides, could have been used as pillow/mattress. Wouldn't find evidence of it, if the grain was eaten up before spring, and the rest was used as seed. I suppose that much depends on how far into the past we are talking, also.

Also, water retted hemp fiber can be very soft...like the finest linen or silk. And that could have been a very early discovery, just from finding shoreline hemp doing its natural decomposition thing.

My hunch is that earlier humans were pretty smart about 'nature' things. Probably far smarter than the city generations that we breed, now, despite our ability to reference stuff. Doesn't take much imagination to think that cannabis was used to toss onto a fire for heat and cooking...and to know that some fires were much more pleasant (or not) than others.

We get our ideas of tough hemp rope from common dry (often in the field) retting. Even at that, i wonder how soft the fibers would be if left in the field, if the climate was wet.

 

[X15]

I had a water bed as a kid lol.

 

[therevverend]

The answer could be yes, if they slept on hammocks made out of hemp. The answer is no if you think they made pillows out of buds because they weren't growing big fluffy dense indoor buds. Now there's an idea, now that ganja is cheap you could start a business making bud pillows.

FYI don't believe what you learned in school 20 years ago!
Overview: Neanderthals (the ‘th’ pronounced as ‘t’) are our closest extinct human relative.
Height: Males: average 5 ft 5 in (164 cm); Females: average 5 ft 1 in (155 cm)
Weight: Males: average 143 lbs (65 kg); Females: average 119 lbs (54 kg)
The fact is they were much smaller lighter and not as strong as people are today! Racist people thought Neanderthals must have been more animalistic then out ancestors but the facts are showing them as being more intelligent then our ancestors who likely caused thier genocide.

The Neanderthal stats used by Rider aren't wrong but the numbers have changed because of more finds. There's more data to calculate with. It turns out Neanderthals weren't smaller then Homo Sapiens and likely weighed more. Instead of trying to copy it all I lifted this from Wikipedia where the science stuff is usually accurate and up to date.

Based on 45 Neanderthal long bones from 14 men and 7 women, the average height was 164 to 168 cm (5 ft 5 in to 5 ft 6 in) for males and 152 to 156 cm (5 ft 0 in to 5 ft 1 in) for females.[69] For comparison, the average height of 20 males and 10 females Upper Palaeolithic humans is respectively 176.2 cm (5 ft 9.4 in) and 162.9 cm (5 ft 4.1 in), although this decreases by 10 cm (4 in) nearer the end of the period based on 21 males and 15 females;[181] and the average in the year 1900 was 163 cm (5 ft 4 in) and 152.7 cm (5 ft 0 in), respectively.[182] The fossil record shows that adult Neanderthals varied from about 147.5 to 177 cm (4 ft 10 in to 5 ft 10 in) in height, although some may have grown much taller (73.8 to 184.8 cm based on footprint length and from 65.8 to 189.3 cm based on footprint width).[183] For Neanderthal weight, samples of 26 specimens found an average of 77.6 kg (171 lb) for males and 66.4 kg (146 lb) for females.[184] Using 76 kg (168 lb), the body mass index for Neanderthal males was calculated to be 26.9–28.2, which in modern humans correlates to being overweight. This indicates a very robust build.[69] The Neanderthal LEPR gene concerned with storing fat and body heat production is similar to that of the woolly mammoth, and so was likely an adaptation for cold climate.

You wouldn't want to get in a bong hit contact with a Neanderthal. Perhaps that's why I can take gigantic hits, I have Neanderthal lungs.

Although the Neanderthal thorax (where the ribcage is) was similar in size to modern humans, the longer and straighter ribs would have equated to a widened mid-lower thorax and stronger breathing in the lower thorax, which are indicative of a larger diaphragm and possibly greater lung capacity.[179][186][187] The lung capacity of Kebara 2 was estimated to have been 9.04 L (2.39 US gal), compared to the average human capacity of 6 L (1.6 US gal) for males and 4.7 L (1.2 US gal) for females.

There brains were on average 1/5 bigger then ours, and shaped differently. Brain size doesn't necessarily mean they were smarter but it's likely they weren't dumb. Everything about them was very similar to us. They made art, crafted tools, wore jewelry. Out of 4 Neanderthal women they found 3 had brown skin, brown eyes and hair, and the 4th was a red head.

Neanderthals were stockier then us and stronger. This is because of there lifestyle.

Neanderthals suffered a high rate of traumatic injury, with an estimated 79–94% of specimens showing evidence of healed major trauma, of which 37–52% were severely injured, and 13–19% injured before reaching adulthood.[230] One extreme example is Shanidar 1, who shows signs of an amputation of the right arm likely due to a nonunion after breaking a bone in adolescence, osteomyelitis (a bone infection) on the left clavicle, an abnormal gait, vision problems in the left eye, and possible hearing loss[231] (perhaps swimmer's ear).[232] In 1995, Trinkaus estimated that about 80% succumbed to their injuries and died before reaching 40, and thus theorised that Neanderthals employed a risky hunting strategy ("rodeo rider" hypothesis).[85] However, rates of cranial trauma are not significantly different between Neanderthals and Middle Palaeolithic modern humans (although Neanderthals seem to have had a higher mortality risk),[233] there are few specimens of both Upper Palaeolithic modern humans and Neanderthals who died after the age of 40,[177] and there are overall similar injury patterns between them.

It goes on to mention that the guy involved in these studies assumed they were getting injured the same way as modern humans, fighting with each other like dumbasses. But then they studied how the injuries were actually caused and it was big cats, big bears, and big wolves. They lived hard and died young. Life was rough in stone age Europe.

On to the sad part, which is that there never were very many of them. There are signs of inbreeding which caused a higher rate of birth defects then modern humans. The few Neanderthals that lived past 40 were a mess, arthritis and degenerative bone diseases. Many of the children had stunted growth. Their childhood bone trauma was similar to Inuit, they cared for their children, but long cold winters and limited resources likely caused periods of starvation which led to the stunted growth. Most Neanderthals were born in spring.

This is a subject I could spend all day reading about. They weren't the only proto-humans. The pop-culture drawing of man, going from an ape, to a caveman, to a modern white man, is false. There were branches and shoots and off-shoots of humans. Some very primitive, others likely no different then us. The likely reason Neanderthals disappeared was their small population size. Once modern humans appeared, and figured out how to survive cold winters, we did what we're best at. Multiplied until there were 100 of us for every Neanderthal. Even if the contact was peaceful, and we know sometimes it was because we still have Neanderthal genes, they were a drop in the bucket compared to Homo Sapiens. They were pushed to the margins and swallowed whole.

It's been said that white people are more savage and barbaric because they contain Neanderthal genes. However Africans also have Neanderthal genes, only less. This is off the top of my head but Europeans have around 3%, Africans 1%. This is because of gene backflow to Africa.

 

[salom]

If back in the day we domesticate the horse with hemps ropes and cross the oceans with hemp sails and ropes I will bet that at least one of that beds could be made