Getting back to the original topic... I think it would be a good start if they just studied pilots and pot. No need to get into hard drugs.
It's a pilot study, right?
It's a pilot study, right?
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Canada to decriminalize hard drugs in pilot study
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moose eater
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Suddenly I have the strange urge to be shot down..Venezuelan pilot worth study
Straight up, she's a fighter pilot.
Spain
USN
Looks like the only one old enough to talk to
you are absolutely correct IMHO. but, more $$$ to be made imprisoning "offenders". mental health treatment COSTS money, they want to MAKE money.
they are ALL "old enough" ... they might be too mean, though.
i could take a little physical abuse though, in the right situation...
nono_fr
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In France the doctor delivers subutex (opiate) but there are no obligation of care in return . Users have to take responsibility for themselves to get help . Prohibition prevents a health response.
Somatek
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It's been almost 20 years I think before Canada first studied harm reduction with the N.A.O.M.I. study (north american opiate as medicine investigation), since then advocates have had to fight the gov up to the supreme court to keep the first safe injection site open. The supreme court ruled the evidence of it's benefit was overwhelming and it was a violation of our Charter Rights to close it or prevent others from opening. It was only a year or so ago that the gov approved a study looking at supplying addicts with clean hydromorphone because of the epidemic of fentanyl overdoses (at points hospitals were running into naxolone shortages trying to treat all the overdoses) despite advocates shouting for action for years. Like you said and peoples comments illustrate prohibition and the stigma it creates prevents an effective health response and people that need help end up dying of overdoses while police forces and criminals get rich.
Wow Samuel Clemens is Mark Twain real name I did not know that wink wink, FYI its Brian's go to phrase to make himself look smarter from the family guy. LOL funny dude!
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Pot is a hard drug right? Along with MDMA and magic mushrooms and LSD? right all hard drugs. LOL too funny! BTW cannabis has been legal for three and a half years here in Canada without any real issues.
At least humor is not lost on you.
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The chilling truth about Cannabis Psychosis | 60 Minutes Australia
Who knew reefer madness is real, caused by potent cannabis that results somehow in 10 and 11 year old addicts! Smoking a joint laughing my fucking ass off! You can't make this shit up its just too fucking funny. Like smoking less cannabis to get the same high is harmful too funny but it gets...
www.icmag.com
Addiction specialist claim that cannabis is a hard drug! And that heroin is a safer choice! No shit the doc says I would rather see kids doing heroin then cannabis! Don't believe me watch the video.
moose eater
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There are misguided nutbars in any profession.
A family member facilitates a methadone clinic, they don't screen for cannabis use in their clients, they don't disqualify for someone using cannabis, and they allow persons using other drugs to pursue methadone tx., etc., providing they're being honest about their efforts.
The program barely regards cannabis as an intoxicant, and I've heard one of the staff refer to Vicodin as 'the aspirin of opiates.'
Don't believe every red herring of a recording that some rag offers up. There are real, experienced, knowledgable, compassionate, and worldly people working in the harm reduction world. No reason to go see the dick-heads.
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"The question resurfaced in July when a new study was published in Lancet Psychiatry suggesting that it is, and that observation of cannabis addiction may be linked to an increased potency in marijuana worldwide."
Sorry buddy but the Narcs are coming out of the woodwork right now. They are making the claim that shots cause addiction but beer does not. Opps I mean less potent cannabis that you had to smoke a whole joint is fine but cannabis where you need only one toke will cause addiction.
Smoking a joint laughing my ass off.
BTW if you want to quit using drugs that's fine but what about the "heroin" drug users who like thier life and want to continue? FYI change heroin to cannabis and its you rather then them eh.
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Sorry buddy but the Narcs are coming out of the woodwork right now. They are making the claim that shots cause addiction but beer does not. Opps I mean less potent cannabis that you had to smoke a whole joint is fine but cannabis where you need only one toke will cause addiction.
Smoking a joint laughing my ass off.
BTW if you want to quit using drugs that's fine but what about the "heroin" drug users who like thier life and want to continue? FYI change heroin to cannabis and its you rather then them eh.
moose eater
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Lancet is a clearing house-type medical publication, not the original source of the claims or studies.
1999 Golden Anniversary Merck Manual (you know, those nasty Big Pharma boys and girls), stated that approximately 10% of regular cannabis users can become 'psychologically addicted.'
HUGE difference between psychological addiction and physical addiction, that was, right up until the private rehab community became so profitable.
But again, there's no reason to accept output from red-herring studies or editorials.
I'm a former (doubly) licensed mh clinician, and the harm reduction community -OFFERS- help (not forced) , much as the social services panels in Portugal do (yes, I'm familiar with the Portugese program, as well as the Liverpool Project in the early 1980s in the UK <shut down largely as a result of US pressure on the British Gov., despite lowering street crime in the area of the clinic by ~65%>, and supported both of the moves entirely).
I live in a redneck State run by corrupted, oil-money-bribed-and-addled Repugniks, and while the busting of larger (or more ignorant) black market growers continues without much press <likely to avoid blowback?>, the assholes in Juneau who typically would behave as you describe, and trust me, we watched them dance like that for nearly 50 years here, they haven't squeaked loudly about any such issues. The reality before everyone's eyes defies the hype.
But then, we have legal cannabis cafes now, and dispensaries up the ass, and we were quasi-legal all the way back to 1975 as a matter of the 1975 Ravin v. State Decision by then-Chief justice Rabinowitz, resulting from Alaska's Article 1, Section 22 Right of Privacy in the State's Constitution and Irwin Ravin's traffic stop that occurred while he was an attorney carrying a bag of ganja in his vest.
Back then, yeah, the hype you reference was alive & well, and thriving.. not just one or 2 articles. Now, reality is a bit more illuminating when contrasted to the bullshit.
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LOL I've only quoted two articles. There are literally thousands more from just the past two years.
7 Million people die from tobacco another 3 million from alcohol and less then half a million from illicit or "hard" drugs. Yet most people still think that illicit drugs pose a greater danger to life then legal ones. Stupid is as stupid does.
moose eater
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The findings of the Liverpool Project pilot program were that street cut, and more importantly, poor syringe hygiene, were responsible for the maladies their addicts were experiencing..
They taught folks how to maintain and properly clean syringes, and the abcesses, blood poisoning, etc., dropped off the charts.
They gave them clean synthesized heroin and cocaine at a rate of about $4/gram.
They were managed through job training, day-care assistance for their kids, etc.
And there were successes beyond the Church Lady's and Nancy Reagan's "Just say 'no!'" bullshit. (*To which Abby Hoffman had replied that Nancy Reagan telling addicts to just say no, was like telling (manic-depressive persons) to 'just be happy').
Imagine the Puritans in today's world funding classes to teach addicts to clean syringes properly! Yet, from the fiscal conservative side of the argument, it was FAR more cost effective than treating abcesses, blood infections, or buying coffins or urns.
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nono_fr
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Here an article on UK's heroin-assisted treatment : ‘Very promising’: UK’s first full heroin-prescribing scheme extended after reductions in crime and homelessness
www.independent.co.uk
UK's first full heroin perscription scheme extended after vast drop in crime and homelessness
‘Prison, increased sentencing, police crackdowns and all other efforts to break that cycle have failed,’ says police and crime commissioner
www.independent.co.uk
Wow addicts in the UK must reuse needles? WTF Here in Canada you can get free needles anywhere and I mean anywhere!
Health Services - Canada.ca
Discover how CSC Health Services strives to improve offender health and contribute to the safety of Canadians.
Since June 2018, the Correctional Service of Canada (CSC) has been rolling out a Prison Needle Exchange Program (PNEP) in federal institutions across the country to help prevent the sharing of needles among inmates and the spread of infectious diseases, such as HIV/AIDS and HCV.
Needle Exchange Programs (NEPs) FAQs | Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction
This publication has been archived on the CCSA website and was current when it was published. It is available for reference or research purposes. Addresses some issues and questions about needle exchange programs (NEPs) in Canada, a harm reduction measure for injection drug users. These...
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Similar safe supply programs are being implemented or considered in other places across Canada. Since 2019, Health Canada has funded 18 safe supply pilot programs.
"When we look at the number of overdose deaths, it should be zero. These are preventable deaths," author Christy Sutherland, MD, medical director at the PHS Community Services Society in Vancouver, which operates the SAFER program, told Medscape Medical News.
And this is what pisses me off that prohibition causes the toxic drug supply that kills most illicit drug users while NARCS use these deaths to justify prohibition. Catch 22.
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