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CannaRed

Cannabinerd
I'm all outa' rep again, btw.

Anyway, the article/link re making cannabis suppositories states (in the interview) that almost 3 x's the plant's effective medicine is delivered via suppositories, versus oral ingestion AND (DRUM ROLL, PLEASE!!), "zero head high."

While some may see this as being robbed, my initial reading is that for persons who are on a mission to achieve ingestion of 1 gram/day of extract, the quelling of the stone may be a blessing. if the person really wants a stone, they can always imbibe in a more conventional manner, meanwhile the suppository delivers the medicine directly to the affected area, with 3 x's the effectiveness or delivery of medicine, and less stone.

In my book, that's a winning ticket.

I guess I need to read these links, but I always heard that suppositories got you higher because the THC is absorbed at a much better rate, as opposed to traveling thru stomach and it's acids.


My dad has prostate cancer. Won't even try CBD, or hemp. It's devil drugs to him.

Another couple decades and all the stigma will be gone.
 

aridbud

automeister
ICMag Supporter
ICMag Donor
Yep, one of our grow partners had stage IV prostate year before last....he did tinctures, capsules, smoking. Took a while for tumor to shrink (he had Brachytherapy...radiation seeds implanted), but he's alive and kicking. He only used our genetics- autos, with great results!
 

trichrider

Well-known member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]oops double post...in 3, 2, 1...[/FONT]






[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WTF? all those links disappeared![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]i'll try and retrieve them. [/FONT]
 

trichrider

Well-known member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]here we go...[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Inhibition of Human Breast and Prostate Cancer Cell Proliferation1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] https://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/co...tract/141/1/118
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Antitumor Activity of Plant Cannabinoids
https://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/c...ract/318/3/1375
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cannabinoid Receptor as a Novel Target for the Treatment of Prostate Cancer
https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/c...t/65/5/1635.pdf
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Derivatives of cannabis for anti-cancer treatment
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...uo-do060605.php
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cancer Killer
https://www.november.org/stayinfo/br...ncerKiller.html

Anandamide Induces Apoptosis
https://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/41/31938
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Efficacy of tetrahydrocannabinol
https://www.cannabis-med.org/studies...how.php?s_id=31
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Comparison of orally administered cannabis extract and delta-9-THC
https://www.unboundmedicine.com/medl...xia_Study_Group
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Anti-tumor effects of cannabidiol
https://www.hempworld.com/HempPharm/...milanstudy.html
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The therapeutic rationale for combining tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol.
https://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16209908
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]not sure if i found all of them, but should provide some material to get pertinent information for those who need/'must' have it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]one for the road:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://grannystormcrowslist.webs.com/[/FONT]

i had a skin cancer that was healed by taking a gram a day of Simpson Oil orally and applying topically also, basal cell carcinoma. if you can take a small amount to start and work your way up to a gram the effects aren't as egregious. sure there'll be some nausea and discombobulation but it will be well worth the effects.
best of luck.
 

Letsbe

New member
Hey Moose, I (age 70) was diagnosed with aggressive prostate cancer about a year or so ago and underwent the DaVinci procedure last November.

Everybody's different in what treatment they choose, My Gleason score was 8 after the biopsy. I just wanted the damn cancer out of me as quickly as possible - was afraid it might spread to my bones before the surgery could be scheduled and performed.

Here's a few thoughts on my deal:

Been cancer free since surgery

Used CBD (first time use) and cannabis during post op recovery and only needed 1 Oxy the whole time (pain from the catheter was by far the worst thing abut the whole ordeal).

Grew Dynasty's Charlotte's Gift this summer (16 to .05 CBD to tHC), been vaping it regularly now and like the taste and effect.

No urinary problems beyond a couple months.

Erectile function slowly returning, approx 60% to 70% after nearly a year and doc says should see continued improvement in the next 12 months.

The mental aspects of the diagnosis, testing, surgery and recovery were a bitch - confronting mortality, loss (temporary luckily for me) of sexual function, updating family on my condition multiple times, fatigue, depression, anxiety - but cannabis has been a good friend to me in dealing with those issues.

You are a good person for seeking out this info! Best to you and your family.

I feel great today with much to be thankful for, including information and support from icmag.com community. Hope this helps...
 
M

moose eater

Thank you, Letsbe. That was -some- of the initial requested info I was looking for; first-hand anecdote to add to others' experiences, and make some determinations aside from just dry data, though admittedly, the greater amount of dry data gives a greater view overall.

Glad to read your experience was positive. Your report reads as very hopeful.

And yes, there's a lot to think about in this. The attachment family, has the person been on the planet long enough, the collision of the hypothetical perceptions or beliefs about mortality, versus the reality of "you may get to choose very soon," and the whole issue of simply trying to put aside lab results that currently exist, and actually wait for a more definitive "Yes/No, this is/isn't what you're dealing with."

Personally, I was the kid who snuck into closets with a razor when no one was home, and opened Christmas packages early, then taped them back together very precisely, so as not to be noticeable, pretending to be surprised on Christmas morning, cheating myself more than the 'giver.' In short, I have not been a very patient person in some circumstances involving waiting. Yet, as a serious road-dwelling hitch-hiker in my youth, I could be stuck some (often semi-remote) place for up to 3 days, and not get all that antsy or angry at the circumstances... So.... we wait.

The insurance in this case only permits for medical treatment in Alaska and Washington State, and even then, it needs to be (for financial reasons) with a specific network of resources in those area.

Lots of reports re. Docs who (if they find out a patient is using oils/extracts, whether CBD or THC), threaten to pull the plug on conventional treatments. Not all are this way, but from my reading, many have had this ultimatum placed upon them. Seems that no matter how far we think we've advanced as a species with our tech, etc., ignorance and narrow train of thought rules the day, even among those deemed to be brighter folks.

I figure that if an impact driver is beneficial, and another wrench on the other end is helpful, as well, if possible, without causing some sort of problem, then use both.

aridbud, I have some questions for you about extracts from your autos, but will PM you.

Trich, thank you for your links. As a guy who suffers terrible weariness when reading too much at once, trying to keep data straight in its own categories, etc., and feeling serious tiredness after reading, it may take me a few days to wade through all of the resources folks have provided here via written articles, but I'll be doing that as much as I'm able.

Canna, yeah, a family member when I was very young, had opiates in suppository form, and my assumption was that if a drug of any kind entered more closely to a location with serious blood flow, in what ever part of the body, then it went more rapidly to the bloodstream, but the one article/post I can recall at the moment, clearly stated the results included more beneficial contents in the extract being delivered to the system, with less "head high" when used in suppository form.

I need to go back and clarify that they were specifically talking about THC, not CBD, and to see if it's possible that they were separating what we often refer to as a 'body high' from a 'head high,' without actually mentioning the 'body high' part of it, as many of us understand the differentiation of the 2 (specifically why I'm not typically a huge Indica fan, unless specific Indicas from the Hindu Kush areas of several countries, that are known to have other effects than the more stereotypical).

Bottom line, the Bubbas in the woods can talk this caliber or that caliber for personal bear protection all day long, but if I'm dealing with a truly aggressive bear (speaking in metaphor), I want to hit it with ALL of what ever is on-hand, all at once. The more the merrier, as long as three's no counter-indication between the substances.

Thanks again, and now chores call me. Mothers are up into the 4' LED shop tubes (lighting) in their cupboards, and have been sending telling signals for some time that they'd -really- like some fresh mix, in larger pots, for me to take the next round of cuttings, just to keep 'em going. And a friend in the bush has an aircraft later on, for which I need to get into town to gather up some items for him, so he doesn't lose his window for getting stuff out there.

The whole concept of cancer, up close and personal, even before -final- formal confirmation, causes a presence that makes looking at more insignificant chores, issues, questions or needs that much easier; they are tasks or issues with an immediate solution. Then there's the potential egg on the face if the imaging and biopsy labs come back as some peculiar non-cancerous issue.

If nothing else, I will have gained an insight into prostate (and other) cancer treatment that in the future, if needed, or called upon, would only require a review, rather than starting from square 1. And a refreshed perspective on what time poorly used or wasted amounts to..
 
M

moose eater

Trich's Medscape link reviews or engages in discussion of a study re. benefits of combining CBD with THC, but if my initial cursory reading was accurate, the CBD amplifies the quasi-narcotic effects of the THC...

WHOA, pony!! Again, something I'd need to make sure was built up to, as otherwise it sounds as though it'd be a guaranteed ass-kicker, if I read what I thought I did.

And there's the question re. sought dosage; if combining the 2 (THC AND CBD) is the 333 mg load per dose, 3 x's/day, still the target, and would a person go for 333 mg CBD AND 333 mg THC per dose, times 3/day, or ??????

Obviously I need to keep on reading, and will.

Now the mothers are calling me.. Then the town run.
 
M

moose eater

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]here we go...[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Inhibition of Human Breast and Prostate Cancer Cell Proliferation1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] https://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/co...tract/141/1/118
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Antitumor Activity of Plant Cannabinoids
https://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/c...ract/318/3/1375
[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cannabinoid Receptor as a Novel Target for the Treatment of Prostate Cancer
https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/c...t/65/5/1635.pdf
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Derivatives of cannabis for anti-cancer treatment
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea...uo-do060605.php
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cancer Killer
https://www.november.org/stayinfo/br...ncerKiller.html

Anandamide Induces Apoptosis
https://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/275/41/31938
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Efficacy of tetrahydrocannabinol
https://www.cannabis-med.org/studies...how.php?s_id=31
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Comparison of orally administered cannabis extract and delta-9-THC
https://www.unboundmedicine.com/medl...xia_Study_Group
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Anti-tumor effects of cannabidiol
https://www.hempworld.com/HempPharm/...milanstudy.html
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The therapeutic rationale for combining tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol.
https://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/16209908
[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]not sure if i found all of them, but should provide some material to get pertinent information for those who need/'must' have it.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]one for the road:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://grannystormcrowslist.webs.com/[/FONT]

i had a skin cancer that was healed by taking a gram a day of Simpson Oil orally and applying topically also, basal cell carcinoma. if you can take a small amount to start and work your way up to a gram the effects aren't as egregious. sure there'll be some nausea and discombobulation but it will be well worth the effects.
best of luck.

Hey, Trich. On the majority of the links, I get either error messages, 404 page not found, a suspended security certificate warning, some of them (at least one) have been moved, and, in at least one case, I did trouble-shooting on my computer, and the results indicated my computer was functioning properly, but the resource I was attempting to access was not responding.

The medscape link, near the bottom of the list, opened up, though I had to register at their site (and did so) in order to be able to read the beginning of the abstract they had posted. I need to go back into that one, and click on additional links.

That's the up-date.

More reading this evening.

Moms are pruned & waiting on new mix/larger pots.. and maybe a vacation to some place warm, with a bit more humidity.. Almost half of the fuel oil drums have been purged of contaminants, and douched out with 99% lab grade isopropyl, the underlayment has been fitted to the deck of the utility trailer for fuel-hauling, and it's time for some deluxe Italian moose spaghetti over whole-grain noodles...

All in all, not too bad a day.
 

trichrider

Well-known member
http://www.jbc.org/content/275/41/31938.abstract


wow. i apologize for not confirming the current status of those links.
that may jeopardize the entire list in my sticky being changed, deleted, moved, censored, whatever...


i'm a bit embarrassed that only one actually worked, and i'd be even more embarrassed if more of my list reflect the same.


https://grannystormcrowslist.wordpress.com/


you may find better more up-to-date links in Grannys list.


again, apologies.
 
M

moose eater

https://www.jbc.org/content/275/41/31938.abstract


wow. i apologize for not confirming the current status of those links.
that may jeopardize the entire list in my sticky being changed, deleted, moved, censored, whatever...


i'm a bit embarrassed that only one actually worked, and i'd be even more embarrassed if more of my list reflect the same.


https://grannystormcrowslist.wordpress.com/


you may find better more up-to-date links in Grannys list.


again, apologies.

Thanks Trich. By no means did I intend to embarrass you; just giving you a status update on them.

I pursued most of them, and did some initial reading in other threads or articles others posted or sent via PM, as well.

I'm still a novice in re. to converting % of THC/CBD in whole plant material or raw flower, to mg in ingested or suppository-type extract medicines, if such conversions can be done, and I'm going to need some help with that. Perhaps write to some of those who were referenced by Lost Tribe in his post.

If I'm doing this, I need to intend to do it all-out, by the numbers, in the ways prescribed, as well as any conventional medicine/treatments, providing there's no conflicts between the 2.

Hella day of errands in town, and just home briefly to walk the pups, grab a package for the aircraft to the bush, and so forth.

Gotsta' run!!

Thanks again, everyone.:tiphat:
 

trichrider

Well-known member
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Cannabinoid Receptor as a Novel Target for the Treatment of Prostate Cancer [/FONT][/FONT]
https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/canres/65/5/1635.full.pdf
...confirmed...


Cannabinoids in cancer treatment: Therapeutic potential and legislation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6387667/
...confirmed...


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Anandamide Induces Apoptosis[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10913156[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]...confirmed...[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The therapeutic rationale for combining tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://www.theroc.us/researchlibrary/Russo_A%20tale%20of%20two%20cannabinoids.pdf[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16209908[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]...confirmed...
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]fortunately moose, i embarrassed myself:dunno:[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]but i did manage to locate a few of the articles from and through that embarrassment to reconcile the inaccuracies.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]some of the others were located but appeared not to address the pertinence of prostrate problems...they were directed towards other forms of cancer.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]i'm now faced with having to go through the rest of my links to locate the articles and abstracts relevant to the titles.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]have a safe and productive trip my friend.[/FONT]

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M

moose eater

Thanks for your efforts, Trich. I appreciate it.

I was just coming back into this thread to announce a couple things, as well as clarification of, and repeating of, a couple remaining questions.

I spoke at length with another cancer patient last night about extraction methods. it's been over a decade (likely going on 2) since I did Iso-extraction, using a modified version of an old IC member's tech, Schmike.

(*If you're still out there, Schmike, and still with us, thank you. Though instead of using your heating method for evap, close to 20 years ago, I simply covered Pyrex 9"x13" baking dishes with nylon noseeum bug screen, holding the mesh out of the solution by fixing it in place with a girdle of linked heavy-duty rubber bands, and allowed the solution to evaporate on its own, over time, allowing extra time near the end of the process, as the remaining amount of alcohol is more difficult to get rid of, especially with no heat. I would then take the crudely refined oil extract made from my sugar trim, and scrape it from the baking dishes, into a high-ball glass or 2, and place them into a sauce pan with hot water on low heat on the stove top, with the oil then settling into a nice even appearance, silky in texture, and presumably with the limited heating of the extract in the glass, getting rid of the remaining solvent).

The word 'presumably in that sentence, and this being intended for use as a medical issue now, rather than recreational, with the prospect of it being used as a suppository, to boot, has led me to thinking that 198 proof Everclear is the preferred solvent; 99% Iso versus 99% Ethanol. A no-brainer in my way of thinking.

I have ONE bottle currently of the 198 proof Everclear, brought back from Arizona this last winter, and the last I checked, we can no longer get the 198 proof Everclear in Alaska, due to what I perceive as nanny-statists (I believe?), but CAN get the 151 proof Everclear.

I know that as of a year ago, I could get 198 proof in Canada (for sure Alberta, and MAYBE the Yukon Territory, where I travel to a couple times a year). Bringing enough back through Customs for an ongoing processing of medicine might have me filing out some paperwork, and forking over some duty, however.

One gem to arise from the discussion with my cancer friend on the southern west coast was the thought of a rosin press. So I went looking.

Found Rosin Tech Presses, starting out at about $295, with the next model up being about $495. I haven't spoken with anyone to get a handle on volume of CLEAN pressed rosin to be expected from 15%, 17% to 19% sugar trim, or slightly more potent flower.

So I'm currently seeking some of those answers, as well as how to convert % of THC in raw flower or leaf, using Ethanol extraction, into mg of THC or CBD/dose in 500 mg or 1 gram caps.

Benefits to both techs. I suspect the Ethanol gives a more potent and cleaner product, while the press doesn't involve solvents.

Other questions include the thought that if 1 gram/day of THC is the target, delivered via 3 doses per day of ~333 mg each, can I assume that matching this with 1 gram/day of CBD, also in suppository form, would be in synch with the concept of 'more is better,' or 'more is less'?

Any well-founded answers to the questions or inquiries raised are welcome and appreciated.

Power of suggestion in half-wake, half-sleep state; I woke up half-way this A.M., to my wife watching (again) Leonardo DeCaprio's 'Revenant'. Great film the first one or 2 times around. Went back to sleep to find myself in dream-state, in a rustic cabin, with some calamity circumstance occurring that I can't remember now. I'll put in a suggestion that if there's going to be a movie on when I'm in that state, please make it a happy one, with no conflict or anxiety.

Annnnd, I'm shortly off to snag a couple hundred gallons of #1 heating oil....
 

sdd420

Well-known member
Thanks for your efforts, Trich. I appreciate it.

I was just coming back into this thread to announce a couple things, as well as clarification of, and repeating of, a couple remaining questions.

I spoke at length with another cancer patient last night about extraction methods. it's been over a decade (likely going on 2) since I did Iso-extraction, using a modified version of an old IC member's tech, Schmike.

(*If you're still out there, Schmike, and still with us, thank you. Though instead of using your heating method for evap, close to 20 years ago, I simply covered Pyrex 9"x13" baking dishes with nylon noseeum bug screen, holding the mesh out of the solution by fixing it in place with a girdle of linked heavy-duty rubber bands, and allowed the solution to evaporate on its own, over time, allowing extra time near the end of the process, as the remaining amount of alcohol is more difficult to get rid of, especially with no heat. I would then take the crudely refined oil extract made from my sugar trim, and scrape it from the baking dishes, into a high-ball glass or 2, and place them into a sauce pan with hot water on low heat on the stove top, with the oil then settling into a nice even appearance, silky in texture, and presumably with the limited heating of the extract in the glass, getting rid of the remaining solvent).

The word 'presumably in that sentence, and this being intended for use as a medical issue now, rather than recreational, with the prospect of it being used as a suppository, to boot, has led me to thinking that 198 proof Everclear is the preferred solvent; 99% Iso versus 99% Ethanol. A no-brainer in my way of thinking.

I have ONE bottle currently of the 198 proof Everclear, brought back from Arizona this last winter, and the last I checked, we can no longer get the 198 proof Everclear in Alaska, due to what I perceive as nanny-statists (I believe?), but CAN get the 151 proof Everclear.

I know that as of a year ago, I could get 198 proof in Canada (for sure Alberta, and MAYBE the Yukon Territory, where I travel to a couple times a year). Bringing enough back through Customs for an ongoing processing of medicine might have me filing out some paperwork, and forking over some duty, however.

One gem to arise from the discussion with my cancer friend on the southern west coast was the thought of a rosin press. So I went looking.

Found Rosin Tech Presses, starting out at about $295, with the next model up being about $495. I haven't spoken with anyone to get a handle on volume of CLEAN pressed rosin to be expected from 15%, 17% to 19% sugar trim, or slightly more potent flower.

So I'm currently seeking some of those answers, as well as how to convert % of THC in raw flower or leaf, using Ethanol extraction, into mg of THC or CBD/dose in 500 mg or 1 gram caps.

Benefits to both techs. I suspect the Ethanol gives a more potent and cleaner product, while the press doesn't involve solvents.

Other questions include the thought that if 1 gram/day of THC is the target, delivered via 3 doses per day of ~333 mg each, can I assume that matching this with 1 gram/day of CBD, also in suppository form, would be in synch with the concept of 'more is better,' or 'more is less'?

Any well-founded answers to the questions or inquiries raised are welcome and appreciated.

Power of suggestion in half-wake, half-sleep state; I woke up half-way this A.M., to my wife watching (again) Leonardo DeCaprio's 'Revenant'. Great film the first one or 2 times around. Went back to sleep to find myself in dream-state, in a rustic cabin, with some calamity circumstance occurring that I can't remember now. I'll put in a suggestion that if there's going to be a movie on when I'm in that state, please make it a happy one, with no conflict or anxiety.

Annnnd, I'm shortly off to snag a couple hundred gallons of #1 heating oil....
You can order food grade ethanol that’s 190 proof off the internet
 
M

moose eater

You can order food grade ethanol that’s 190 proof off the internet

Thanks. I'll check on shipping without a hazmat label. I'm in Alaska, and most of our 'ground' shipping by third-party carriers in the Lower-48 states, whether UPS, Fed Ex, etc. is loaded onto aircraft on the West Coast of the Lower-48, typically flown to Anchorage, then trucked to the Interior.

The ph reagent I use is alcohol-based, and if I use 'compliant channels' I pay a miniscule amount for the reagent, and over $125 for the freight and expensive hazmat label on a half-liter bottle (or several smaller bottles), due to the alcohol content, and Gov. restrictions.

I pointed to the sky once when talking with freight folks, and pointed out a passenger jet flying over-head, stating, "You see that aircraft up there? It has HUNDREDS of single-serving bottles of liquor on board, many of them with greater alcohol content than my reagent, and I don't think they're paying $125 per container to carry it."

Didn't make any difference to them; they're not paid to function with logic in mind.

But I'll research the possibility of ordering food-grade ethanol.

And thank you. I had no idea of such offerings.
 
M

moose eater

I did some Google searches, and whether lab-grade/food-grade ethanol, or 198 proof Everclear like I brought back from Arizona last year, DOT apparently has restrictions re. shipping the stuff, and I found no place in Alaska that has either in stock. At least not per Google.. which isn't the end of the road necessarily. We'll see.

I'll do some additional searches for some laboratory supply houses in Alaska, and see what that set of searches renders.

I can check for availability in the Yukon Territory (Canada), at their Territorial liquor outlet(s),or look for the food grade ethanol, if they have some place that can order such things. Then maybe bring it home with me when I head to Whitehorse this winter or coming spring.

Or I can contact someone in another state who MAY be willing to seal (very well) either some food-grade ethanol or some 198 proof Everclear, and send it to me, being VERY cautious to seal and pad it such that it cannot breech or break in transit.

I suspect the authorities would be fairly irritated should such a package leak in transit.

As stated, I have ONE bottle I brought back from Az last year, and I'm not sure how much extract I can get with that. I'll take a stab in the dark, based on distant past experience with Iso efforts, and guess I can get maybe an oz of oil, which would be just shy of a month's supply at 1 gram/day, or, if I split the day's dosage 50:50 with CBD, as one person recommended, then 28 grams would last almost 2 months. I'll be needing at least 3 months..
 
M

moose eater

in the interim I may be able to mix a bottle of 151 proof Everclear with my bottle of 198 proof and come up with close to an 86% or 87% ethanol solution, of double my current volume; less than desirable compromises born of necessity.. Not the best, but....
 

trichrider

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have you ever tried making alcohol?
sugar wash and champagne yeast and a jerryrigged still you could get some high octane etoh. plenty of information on the webs about that.
last bottle of Everclear i purchased was around $60 at the reservation.
of course that would take a minnit to set up and you may be pressed for time.
 
M

moose eater

Thanks Trich. I've brewed a bit of beer and wine years ago, and transitioned my beer wort buckets to salmon brine buckets, after which there was no turning them back, as fishy beer has scant appeal to me.

As far as distilling lower % alc. to high-grade shine, never done it. have a friend, also in az., who was very interested in starting a still, and maybe later a distillery (legal), and sent me a book (still right above my computer on my desk) re. stills and such, relative to Alaska.

Trust and learning curve are 2 primary issues in my history of endeavors; lots of things I never tried for not trusting myself to be able or capable.

198 proof Everclear in the handful of remaining legal states is often relatively cheap. The bottle I brought back from Az was $14 at a drug store there. Food-grade ethanol on the other hand (whether 190 proof, or 200 proof), in places where it CAN be shipped to, is OUTRAGEOUS after Uncle Sam tacks on his excise tax(es).

The 198 Everclear in Az was way cheaper than the 200 proof organic grain ethanol.

Getting any of it here is the issue.

I'll try to phone the Territorial liquor store in Whitehorse Yukon Territory soon, and see if they carry it. I believe you can get it in Alberta, but that's Alberta.

A person contacted me re. the possibility of setting up a still for making grain alcohol for extraction purposes, and hopefully he's successful. There are apparently permits that can be had for making personal stash in the way of grain alc., but any permit for such things, whether growing, distilling, or class III weapons, often involves some degree of forfeiture of privacy re. 'inspections' (searches) of related areas.

The hurdles we can encounter when trying to get basic actions taken care of.

I'll try to bolster my trust in myself where technical issues are concerned, get down the distilling book that was sent to me years ago, and see if I can get some excitement and desire to spark that over-rides the inhibitions.

Take care, and thank you again.

I'm off shortly to snag another load of fuel oil for the heating oil tank for the winter, after I finish checking messages. Then 2 vehicles to change oil, oil filters, and cabin and engine air filters in.

Fall time; the lists never end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4tJiyU_gjY
 
M

moose eater

I've pulled down the two books gifted to me by a fellow legalizer nearly 2 decades ago.

'The Alaskan Bootlegger's Bible' by Leon W. Kania

and

'Moonshine' by Matthew B. Rowley

Spoke with a couple friends re re-distilling, increasing 151 to 190-200 proof, and communicated with a couple forum members as well.

A friend who has saved my ass in numerous ways in the past, and is the same legalizer 'brother from another' from decades ago, now elsewhere in the Country, is prepared to send necessary Everclear 198 proof for the interim. He's always been a blessing, and has suffered his own harsh times in life's walk.

Another member in Alaska is looking at distilling for purposes of doing essential oils extractions, and allowed me into his loop, pending successes..

With all of that, the immediate needs for ethanol for extraction purposes seems to be met, thrice over.

Of the strains/mothers I have here, per my reading, and Indica crosses being a good source for the type of medicine/array of cannabinoids being sought, I have 2 Goji OG phenos (#2 and #8) that may take over a couple of my 4'x4' boxes, for purposes of little more than extraction for THC-dominant extracts, and a bit of very enjoyable smoke. Frankly, I've liked them anyway.

I'll get back to some pertinent reading. A knowledgeable forum member gave me a link to a Doc who is on the cutting edge of cannabis extracts in the treatment of cancers.

Another forum member has sent information re. Ayahusca/DMT and micro dosing for cancer.

I was left contemplating the possibility that with all of the unknown power of the brain over our physical realities, it's quite possible that some of this enters into effective placebo turf, where it's our beliefs and positive frame of mind that carries us across the proverbial finish line. We -know- from research that a positive frame of mind has a measurable effect on positive outcomes in treatment of illnesses.

D-day is October 30; 9 days away for the ultrasound and biopsy of the prostate.

How hard the person is willing to fight to stay on Planet Earth, how willing are they to discard life as a form of exit for all the unresolved challenges that have taxed them. This will be born out in where they go with the options offered. That, and the Docs' willingness to allow them to treat the malady, what ever it is, in as many ways as they choose, simultaneously, if they see fit.

Please, anyone who has a story to share about beating the Big C, chime in.

Gry was supposed to have had his appointment today with his primary care Doc, and both he and I had suspicions about the nature of that visit, and why the specialists would refer him back to a primary Doc at this time.

For many of us old fuckers, the assessment of when to toss in the towel, and in a world of limited resources, and many younger persons in need, letting them have their stab at a chance to move forward. That was his honorable take. Many of us have lived relatively full lives. Maybe time to pass the baton?

There's a lot to contemplate in all of this, and not all of it is peachy.

Time to buckle down, do some reading, and make some decisions.

All of life is Yin & Yang; beauty with ugliness. Grace with condemnation. It is what it is.
 
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