a self pollinated F1, what might pop out?

[igrowone]

tale of 2 females

tale of 2 females



and another evening greetings friends, if I may be so bold
results to see, 2 unhermied females, tall cotton indeed!
the first is the girl I nearly killed twice, now at 32 days flower
kind of a classic hybrid look, with a touch of extra sativa
got some skunk smell going on, but sweet when rubbed
now for the new addition to the harem which had some duck foot leaves in veg
straight female from what i see, and the duck foot look is gone
screaming sativa and stretching all to hell
very tiny smell, containment is going to be a challenge

 

[igrowone]

time for some pictures and reflection
the hybrid-like pheno(as I call it) is very healthy plant
picture perfect if I can use the term for my low res pictures
skunk odor definitely changing to something different
the sativa pheno is as about as sativa as i've grown yet
climbed to the top of the grow chamber, but has seemed to have slowed just in time
got more of a appetite, just noticed the fans paling up some
utterly odorless, interesting

 

[igrowone]

flower 59 day

flower 59 day


evening greetings my friends
time for an update, this plant is closing in on 9 weeks of flower
this is the pheno I'm calling a 'hybrid' pheno, more compact than the other which has some more sativa look
and flower it has done, good solid production and fast
cut at 10 weeks maybe, quite soon
and the genetic prize, the side bud I dusted with pollen from the male of these F1s is well seeded
stabilized F2s in 2 generations? the future will tell
edit: not to forget - no hermie, solid female

 

[igrowone]

10+ weeks of 12/12
with some trepidation I made the cut
a better camera with hopefully a better picture
which shows a pretty nice plant
kept packing on new pistils but looked to have ripened
sampled and much happy with result, got some nice lift there
reveg for this one, hoping it revegs
and it has the seed of the male that popped out
F2s could be promising

 

[Cakeboy]

Be interesting to see if you get more regular males and females from the pollen chuck, rather than the intersexers so far

Cheers man

 

[igrowone]

and to tie up the end of my summer grow of 2
this was the nl#5 x BW hermie cross
lot of dead leaf makes for mediocre picture
but the nose is excellent, and does pack a nice up in its soul
about 11 weeks, and clean as the driven snow of the hermie demon trait

 

[igrowone]

and now for the pièce de résistance

the genetics - 5 nl#5 x BW(hermie) F1's, i.e. feminized but unstable
1 of the 5 showed male and produced viable pollen
attempted to reveg the seeded plant - total fail on the reveg
1st time I haven't been able to do that
the seed? big ass bastards of the like I've not seen
don't know if this is a consequence of male pollen from what should be a female plant
but I have my suspicions, seeds to left the mutos, to the right more typical

 

[igrowone]

the next step, another run of the 2nd gen of S1s
this is #2 of the nl#5 x BW hermie plant
1st run was a good clean female
try another 1, just ready to flower

 

[igrowone]

time for an interesting result
this is the 2nd seed that came from a nl#5 x BrainWreck hermie
I had hoped for some stability improvement ^^^, didn't happen
so I grew out a seed from this 2nd generation hermie
and that was a stable female, not special but decent
just running a 2nd, also stable, picture 37 days of flower
increased stability from a hermie?
a third trial is in order

 

[igrowone]

and here we go, just around 9 weeks
and I screwed up with a light leak
result? didn't phase in the slightest, rock solid stable
even has a bit of a glow to it, 11 weeks should be sweet spot
now time to upload a pic on the new upgrade(I hope)

 

[igrowone]

greetings to the genetically curious, by that I mean those curious about genetics
harvest on the current female, very stable though from a hermie line
bit of shock as I've rechecked the flower time, 16+ weeks of flower?!
good lord, that is dramatic, might as well be growing some haze
but impressive plant in its own right, got some strong sativa going on
and would not stop with packing on new flowers
got some nice feel from a popcorn bud
but another seed of this line is popped, another clean female?
that would be real interesting

 

[igrowone]

the spring run has come
a new plant, the 3rd in a nl#5 x BW hermie cross that itself hermied
the 1st 2 have been completely stable, hoping but not setting large expectations
if it hermies I'll deal with it, but a 3rd no hermie begins to say something
and back to the last harvest from the prior picture
significant sativa power, thought that it might
it turns out to be a recognizable blend of traits from the 2 original parents
the overpowering sativa rush of the nl#5 is still there, but tempered by the BW effect which was not ever edgy
kind of amazing. one of the few crosses that makes genetic sense
and a taste beyond belief, has a perfume nose and taste
and it tastes better than it smells, the original BW had that perfume smell but it's taste was real different

 

[flylowgethigh]

I have a Runtz growing now that was a seed found in a pound. It is very vigorous, and I would love to make more of those herm seeds.

How? Maybe changing the light schedule like I am doing now will push it over the edge.

 

[igrowone]

I have a Runtz growing now that was a seed found in a pound. It is very vigorous, and I would love to make more of those herm seeds.

How? Maybe changing the light schedule like I am doing now will push it over the edge.

it could, that's kind of the old fashioned way of making feminized seeds
rodelization it's called as I recall
the modern way is to spray a chemical that allows the intersex trait to show
silver thiosulfate seems like a popular choice
light changes got the reputation for making unstable feminized plants
it's a complicated topic, I don't doubt breeders have their own secrets

 

[flylowgethigh]

I am reducing the lights-out time 3 hours per cycle to shift the ON hours to the night time.. I figured less dark is better than less light in moving the timing. 20 days in flower.

I don't know how this will smoke, but the plant is robust and I like the way it buds out. Others in the tent too.

 

[igrowone]

30 days of flower, jeez it was slow for an indica looking monster
still looks like an indica monster but some sativa mixed in
but female? oh yes - pure femme
the 3rd seed of this series - a S1 of a S1 - should be really unstable right?
no they're not, of course a 4th would be even more convincing

 

[PolyChucker]

This is one of my favorite threads. Equal parts mad scientist and educational. I wonder what percentage of people repeating the line “don’t grow herm seeds” have actually investigated it.
Seems like you have a good proportion of regular females. I’m curious if you’re keeping cuttings of the best females in veg to save for a male later. It would be cool to sprout some regular seeds to get a male and make seeds with your best females, and see if you could breed out the herm quality. I think Mr Greenjeans or DJ Short or someone was able to breed out herm qualities in a Thai or something over like 3 generations only breeding female plants without nanners or males without pistils.

 

[igrowone]

good to have you aboard polychucker, here's what I've seen in nushell
I grew out 20+ seeds from a brainwreck hermie, it was a very "hermie" hermie
it was born to hermie imho
now out of those 20+ grows, a solid 50% were plain straight females, rock stable
the others were solid hermies mostly, maybe call them males with female parts
but the sex ratio matches normal cannabis quite well
the latest set of 3, s1s of s1s
100% female so far, all excellently stable
now you know what I know, cloning and back crossing is hoped for in the future

 

[igrowone]

7 weeks into flower, still rock stable
seeing some very sativa goings on, I've had some sprinkled in the grows
top dog in my opinion, smell is very different, just doesn't smell like cannabis
looks like a 12 week show imho

 

[igrowone]

good evening all
here's the payoff, big ass sativa beast that took 12 weeks
crikey! lot of bud, hard to believe I could cram it in to my micro chamber
definitely going to be an interesting report on this one
no roosters from what I could see