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Old 04-24-2012, 02:01 PM  
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Richard Lee's Exclusive Interview After Raid

Good morning ICers--I found this today. I thought this statement really captures how the Pres is at ods with the American Peeps this fall. If his admin is doing all these raids without his comnsent then he'd better think about changing that. Peace.. DD

"voters may be skeptical of any statements out of the incumbent in the course of the coming election"

Richard Lee's Exclusive Interview After Raid
from the Huffington post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/18/obama-war-on-weed-richard-lee-oaksterdam-raid_n_1427435.html?ref=politi cs&ir=Politics

WASHINGTON -- When federal agents raided Oaksterdam University, Richard Lee's downtown Oakland, Calif.-based trade school, earlier this month, it wasn't simply a crackdown on a local pot business, it was one of the highest-profile moves in the Obama administration's nationwide assault on medical marijuana.
DEA and IRS agents hauled away computers, files and pot plants, leaving behind little more than office furniture. They did not disclose the reason for the raid and have not charged Lee with any crime as of yet. In an exclusive interview with The Huffington Post, his first since the raid, Lee, 49, blasted the federal crackdown as a senseless act of intimidation. "This is one battle of a big war," said Lee, "and there's thousands of battles going on all over."
"Before he was elected, [President Barack Obama] promised to support medical marijuana and not waste federal resources on this," Lee said. "About a year and a half ago, the policy seemed to change. They've been attacking many states, threatening governors of states to prevent them from signing legislation to allow medical marijuana. They've been attacking on many fronts."
Lee was a vocal advocate behind California's Proposition 19, a 2010 ballot question that sought to legalize marijuana. He put more than a million dollars behind the effort, which was opposed by the Obama administration and ultimately went down to defeat.
Medical marijuana is currently legal in California and 15 other states, plus the District of Columbia, and during his campaign for president, Obama vowed to stop the raids on medical marijuana users that were prevalent under George W. Bush, saying raiding patients who use marijuana for medicinal purposes "makes no sense."
It was in that political climate, in the fall of 2007 that Oaksterdam was founded by Lee, who started using medical marijuana for pain control more than 20 years ago, after a work accident left him paralyzed from the waist down. Often referred to as "the Princeton of pot," the school has offered classes to would-be medical cannabis caregivers and patients in subjects ranging from horticulture to business to the finer points of running a dispensary.
About 15,000 students have graduated from Oaksterdam to date, according to Dale Sky Jones, the school's executive director. On October 15, 2010, however, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that federal authorities would continue to prosecute individuals for marijuana possession, even in states that have legalized it. That "threw a wet blanket" on enrollment at Oaksterdam, Jones said.

Then, last June, the Justice Department went even further. Deputy Attorney General James Cole argued in a memo that "caregiver" protections applied only to "individuals providing care to individuals with cancer or other serious illnesses, not commercial operations cultivating, selling or distributing marijuana." That meant pot shops, even those operating legally under state law, were vulnerable again.
Since then, the administration has unleashed an interagency cannabis crackdown that goes beyond anything seen under the Bush administration, with more than 100 raids, primarily on California pot dispensaries, many of them operating in full compliance with state laws. Since October 2009, the Justice Department has conducted more than 170 aggressive SWAT-style raids in 9 medical marijuana states, resulting in at least 61 federal indictments, according to data compiled by Americans for Safe Access, an advocacy group. Federal authorities have also seized property from landlords who rent space to growers, threatening them with prosecution, and authorities have even considered taking action against newspapers selling ad space to dispensaries.
"There's no question that Obama is the worst president on medical marijuana," Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project, told Rolling Stone in February.
The IRS has joined in the attack, invoking an arcane tax code provision originally intended to stymie druglords. That law, known as IRS Code Section 280E, is an uncontroversial measure aimed at preventing criminals from deducting the costs of their illicit activities from their taxable income. But the IRS has interpreted it to apply to medical marijuana dispensaries in such a way that they can no longer deduct the cost of salaries, rent, inventory and other operating expenses. Few brick-and-mortar businesses are able to survive under those terms, as taxes end up being substantially larger than profits.
Lee told HuffPost he thinks the tax issue is where the school may have run into trouble with the authorities.
"It may have something to do with the 280E taxes we've been forced to pay," he said. "It was impossible to pay them on top of the other taxes we're forced to pay: $60,000 to the City of Oakland for the permit fee, $130,000 for the Oakland Business Tax, 10 percent state sales tax, state income tax, federal income tax, unemployment insurance, workman's comp insurance, health insurance."
"Our income tax more than doubled because payroll, rent and other tax deductions were disallowed," he added. "On top of this, the federal government has been closing our bank accounts, making it more difficult for us to operate as a normal business and pay our taxes."
Jones said she's almost surprised the raid didn't come sooner. "There's just no way we can afford the building as it is," she said. "We always half expected it."
The IRS used the same provision in late 2011 to pursue Oakland's Harborside Health Center, one of the largest and most respected dispensaries in the state, demanding $2.4 million in taxes, a full $2 million more than the 83,000-member dispensary actually paid for the year. "Federal prosecutors are not trying to clean up the regulated medical cannabis industry, they are trying to destroy it," said Harborside President Steve DeAngelo at a press conference in San Francisco in October.
"This is not just an attempt to tax us," he explained earlier this year. "It's an attempt to tax us out of existence."
Harborside has filed a petition in tax court to protest the IRS' assessment, which Harborside has characterized as "a dagger pointed at the heart of medical cannabis."
U.S. attorneys have repeatedly claimed that the decision to crack down on medical pot establishments was their own decision and not the result of any directive from Washington.
"The actions taken by U.S. attorneys are solely in response to concerns expressed in their communities and by law enforcement about the proliferation of large-scale grow facilities and distributors that clearly fall outside of the definition of individual caregiver," Justice Department spokesperson Laura Sweeney said.
Deputy attorney Cole has argued that the memo speaks for itself and has refused to say whether the crackdown in California represents a shift in federal policy that could lead to raids in other states.
It wasn't the policy that shifted, according to Sweeney, but rather "the landscape has evolved," she said, citing "industrial-scale marijuana operations planned in several states."
With the apparent disconnect between Obama's 2007 campaign promises and the actions of his administration over the last four years, voters may be skeptical of any statements out of the incumbent in the course of the coming election. The issue itself has growing and wide-spread support among the electorate. Gallup has found that a full 70 percent of Americans favor the legalization of prescription marijuana to reduce pain and suffering. In Colorado, a key swing state, two-thirds of voters favor legalizing medical marijuana.
If Lee is charged, Jones says she hopes his case goes before a jury. "If they bring a fight, Richard is prepared to take it all the way," she said. "They can come after the guy in the wheelchair, and he'll stand up for his rights and the rights of the rest of us."
"It makes me irate that this is how we're spending our resources right now," she said of the federal raids. "And to watch them try to take down a school that's teaching everyone how to do it right, it just puts the exclamation point on it."
Oaksterdam, which will cease operations at its current location at the end of the month, "will have to start from scratch," said Jones, who is looking for a smaller, more affordable home.
Lee, for his part, is largely stepping away from Oaksterdam and is planning to focus his efforts on campaigns in Colorado and Washington state, where legalization initiatives are on the ballot this year.
As for the administration's murky position on drug legalization, Lee takes a dim view. "They can't have their cake and eat it, too," he said. "They can't keep it illegal and tax it. No more taxation without legalization."

 


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Old 04-28-2012, 02:06 AM
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It is tribal identity. This goes back to the sixties, Nixon's southern strategy, and even earlier. Real Americans ( The Silent Majority) don't smoke pot. If we want medical cannabis to succeed we need spokespeople who look and talk like members of the other tribe.
You`ve got one. His name is Ron Paul. He is a strong Christian, doesn`t do ANY drugs and doesn`t care if you do. Unfortunately, a lot on this site don`t like him because he a republican (true definition of republican) and thinks people should be responsible for themselves... Just give the man a listen and you will be set free... Individual rights FTW! Those of you in N. Cali with an open mind can hear the man speak next Thursday May 3rd at 7:00pm at UC Davis. That`s right I said UC Davis. A republican speaking at one of the most liberal campuses in the country. Just like UC Berkely last month, it will be packed with liberty minded folks of ALL races, religions and genders. You will not hear about it from the MSM. Come see for yourself!
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Really, Dr. Paul isn't a Republican but a Libertarian. Kind of like what republicans used to be. He joined the republican party so he could make his case without being automatically branded as a crazy.
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Really, Dr. Paul isn't a Republican but a Libertarian. Kind of like what republicans used to be. He joined the republican party so he could make his case without being automatically branded as a crazy.
RP has always been a TRUE republican. He joined the libertarian party briefly to run for pres in 1988 because he was frustrated with the out of controll spending of the Reagan era. Libertarians are not pro-life like the good doctor. His personal beliefs are pro-life but understands that abortion should be a state issue, not federally allowed. If each state votes to allow abortion in that state, then so be it. Todays repubs aren`t real republicans, they are statist just like the dems with a different agenda...
Old 04-29-2012, 02:42 PM
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.... His name is Ron Paul. ....
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Really, Dr. Paul isn't a Republican but a Libertarian. Kind of like what republicans used to be......
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RP has always been a TRUE republican. ...
BushDoc and Agaricus..you boys ever read our forum guidelines: 14. Politics/Religion: Threads or posts pertaining to political and religious discussions, by their very sensitive nature, can incite or flame others due to the wide and varying personal beliefs that naturally exist in a global community and will be deleted.

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Old 04-29-2012, 02:59 PM
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You d'man DOOB!

Sad to read,but i hope he starts up some place new maybe!!
i really had hopes for oaksterdam shit...
he who has the biggest GUN wins...
Still i cant believe all the people that smoke are not yet protesting?
Old 04-29-2012, 07:31 PM
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I just googled "oaksterdam raid protest" and there have been a few. I haven't read any of the articles yet so have no idea how big they were, or how many there were.
Old 04-30-2012, 09:30 PM
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...a jockey doesn't push his horse past the finish line.

Mr. Lee may have more 'races' left in him...but the cost of entering/running the race may have been the factor for his withdrawal.
I give him a lot of credit for getting in their face, and wish him the best as this doesn't look over to me.

...by it's very nature, this thread is political.

this tme next year we will know how badly we've been hurt by this.

...keeps fingers crossed...
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If we want medical cannabis to succeed we need spokespeople who look and talk like members of the other tribe.
I have thought about this a lot relative to full legalization. I am an anti-stoner stereotype with significant cred in the business world. I am a clean cut, athletic, middle aged guy responsible for 20M in corporate profits annually. I interact at the CxO level with the world's largest enterprises.
blaa blaa blaa. I am not trying to brag and, really, I ain't all that proud of the above, I just realize that it puts me in a pretty unique position of being able to influence the "muggles." I am the guy that straight families hope their kids become and yet I get high everyday.

Quite frankly, I'd be a better face for the movement than anyone I have seen take that role.

And I'd love to do it - I could truly see it as my calling in life to make a positive difference in this world of negativity.

But there is no fucking way I'd give the authoritarian thugs that much power over me. If I didn't have a family, maybe I would be more brave, but I honestly doubt that too.

I bet there are plenty of people like me who are silenced by a government that clearly doesn't have the best interests of its constituents at heart. Until it is safe for us to raise our voices, I am afraid that nothing will change for the better.
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Godless;

I hear you bro. There are countless thousands like you out there. Speak up and you will be taken down. And not just by the powers that be but also by the little people. I'm sure someone will now speak up and proclaim that you should make yourself a martyr for the cause, but I doubt that person will be someone who once worked hard for years to get someplace and then had their life destroyed. We do what we can when and where we can.
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I'm sure someone will now speak up and proclaim that you should make yourself a martyr for the cause, but I doubt that person will be someone who once worked hard for years to get someplace and then had their life destroyed. We do what we can when and where we can.
I tell myself that nearly everyday - I am a pussy for not standing up for what I believe in. But there is a voice in the back of my head that advocates for caution. It is a voice that I learned when I was 18 and homeless in Berkeley. That voice got me where I am today, so I am inclined to listen to the sweet logic of keeping your head down - values and morals are a luxury for the powerful, and, despite my position in our society, I have no political power at all.

It kills me inside, but I am fundamentally powerless because the authoritarian factions of our society are going for the throat and getting away with it. By the time that Richard Lee's current misery is over, any mark he tried to make will have long been forgotten as the war machine rolls on and on.
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... values and morals are a luxury for the powerful ...
Not at all. We were talking about the logic of making a spectacle of oneself in a possibly futile act of self sacrifice. Keep your head down and raise your kids to be good people.
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So now it's a war on knowledge. Richard Lee was robbed for sharing idea's.

Just like the internet will be shut down because it is a free stream of uncontrolled information.
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- values and morals are a luxury for the powerful
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Will "We The People" ever see the day when freedom and justice will triumph over lobbyist money?
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Will "We The People" ever see the day when freedom and justice will triumph over lobbyist money?

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