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Old 01-13-2021, 07:25 PM
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VISC Burmese 2002

Hello my friends,

There has been a lot of interest in this strain, so I am going to document a grow for you.

This will be a seed run, but I will only fertilize a few of the lower buds on each female.

On Jan 11th, I selected the seeds and started to hydrate them.

I used the last of the seeds I made in 2002, plus seeds from the 4th, 5th and 6th generations.
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For 24 hours I soak the seeds in a starter solution I make.

to 1 gallon of de-chlorinated water, add :

1 tablespoon of kelp meal -- let stand for 24 hours.

Just before use add :

1 tea Ful-Power
1 tea Aloe Vera Powder (or a tablespoon fresh gel)

Shake the shit out of it, then pour through an unbleached coffee filter

Fill shot glasses half full of this solution, add seeds, let soak for 24 - 36 hours until almost all seeds sink

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After the soak, put about 6 unbleached coffee filters flat in a 1 gallon ziplock and moisten with de-chlorinated water.

When happy with the moisture level, grab the top 3 filters, and fold them back, exposing about about 1/4 of the lower filters. This forms a handy line to place your soaked seeds.
Cover your babies back up - do not seal the ziplock.

BEWARE some paper towels are toxic to seedlings and will kill every one ! Personal experience talking here.

Now this is important - the ziplock must be placed vertically, so that the roots can grow down. I place it between two books on a shelf. Not too tight, but snug enough to keep the bag upright.

Less than 48 hours after beginning the soak, many seeds have 1/2 inch roots and I am busy planting them in their permanent homes. Another generation has begun!

Everything is done at normal room temperature 70 F

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Day0 seeds started to soak 2pm
Day1 seeds went into seedling mats

Day2 6 had 1/2 inch roots and have already been planted 8am

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Old 01-13-2021, 07:27 PM
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Any unused soaking solution can be given to your plants!
Old 01-13-2021, 08:52 PM
The final product
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So this is the product we are hoping to produce
Old 01-14-2021, 07:49 PM
Full house!
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Day 3
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Day 0 seeds started to soak 2pm
Day 1 seeds went into seedling mats
Day 2 _8am 6 had 1/2 inch roots and have been planted
_____ 8pm 18 had 1/2 inch roots and have been planted
Day3 _ 5am All 54 sprouts have been planted !

Sprouted seeds were planted 1/2 inch deep and marked with a toothpick. This allows me to know exactly where to water.
It is important to keep sprouts moist - water everyday.
I use a plastic ketchup dispenser to water tender seedlings (2 for a buck at the dollar store) .

Growing in a 4x8 area, I have 18 big smart pots (10-12 gallon?).
These are the pots for females, and with 3 seeds in each, I am almost guaranteed a female in each pot.

The males will be in smaller pots so that I can move them when they sex.

I expect to flip the lights to 11/13 in about 3 weeks. Stay tuned - don't touch that dial...
Old 01-15-2021, 06:57 PM
All the real work is done
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Day 4
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Day 0 seeds started to soak 2pm
Day 1 seeds went into seedling mats
Day 2 _8am 6 had 1/2 inch roots and have been planted
Day 2_ 8pm 18 had 1/2 inch roots and have been planted
Day 3_ 5am All Female pots have been planted - with 54 healthy looking sprouts
Day 4_ 6am Filled 10 pots with soil for the males, put 4 seeds/sprouts in each of these. All the real work is done.

Some of the last seeds to be planted had just cracked with little to no root showing. Most of the male pots got at least one healthy sprout, the remaining seeds filled out the male pots and then the last few seeds were put in the females pots, about 3/4 of them now have 4 sprouts.

2 pm the RACE is ON!

Several sprouts have broken the surface and are standing proud, although only an inch tall. Dropped the lights, turned up the fan and set the auto-pilot, relax, have a beer. Job well done!




Looking pretty bare. Xerb
Old 01-16-2021, 10:11 PM
Proof of Life
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Day 5 noon

Not much to see here today, the sprouts continue to break the surface and straighten themselves out. Just more than half, 28 have come up so far.

But while we are waiting, I will show you another of my tricks.

Before I plant my sprouts in a pot, I like to stir in a handful of grocery store alfalfa sprouts mixing them into the top inch or so of soil.
Even better is the "sprout medley" which has alfalfa, radish, lentil, garbanzo beans, peas, etc. Make sure you use the beans at the bottom too!

If there are any hungry pests around, most the time they will go for these rather than your expensive, hard to get, genetics.
A hungry slug or pillbug can make short work of your $10 seedling.



I also add a few more sprouts to the top of the soil each morning just to keep the offering fresh and moist. Another good sacrificial offering is an apple core, sliced into small pieces, put one piece in each pot - not too close to your seedlings.
Almost every time I find a pest in my pots during this vulnerable seedling phase, they are munching on the "snacks" left for them and not my seedlings. Within a couple weeks this precaution is no longer necessary.

Just food for thought, Xerb

PS. Another potential pest that can really wreck havoc with your grow are ants. When I grow in pots I always place the pot in some type of tray that will hold water, and keep water in it.
The water will form a barrier to keep the ants from setting up a aphid farm in your trees. This water is also available to small critters and should keep them from chewing on your stems to get water. Thirsty mice can take out a BIG plant or two before you even realize what is going on.

Ever loose a plant to termites? It happens.
Old 01-19-2021, 03:56 AM
Baby Fat - Aren't those chubby little leaves Cute?
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Day 7 - A January forest fire in California costs me a few sprouts
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I was away for almost 48 hours, and lost several sprouts to lack of water, a couple more to pests. Two had been cut off at soil level - I suspect pillbugs and removed a couple big ones from the garden today (Hot and dry, with no moist alfalfa sprout to distract them, they went for the nice succulent seedling).

Luckily I over-planted and can move a few babies around if necessary.

Currently I have 48 sets of leaves unfolding, and expect that number to grow a bit.

These seedlings have big fat leaves.




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Old 01-21-2021, 12:47 AM
Live and let live?
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Day 9
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I have lost a few sprouts to pests. Several sprouts were cut off at soil level and a couple below the soil level. Several others had their roots munched on but are still alive and will probably pull through.

I had two pots without any sprouts left. I turned off the lights and waited an hour. When I turned the lights back on pill-bugs where running amuck ! I snagged over 100 of them out of those two pots. Turning the first 1/2 of soil I found them lined up in little clusters of shiny dark balls, as if they like to sleep together.



Usually they don't cause much damage, but your sprouts are vulnerable. I find a vacuum is a handy weapon against them, as they tend to hide in the darkness between two pots.

Anyway, I still have multiple sprouts in most pots, and will continue my pill-bug raids - I take them out to the compost pile and turn them loose.

Here is a typical sprout , just so you can see the progress. It seems like they are growing so slow at this stage, but really they are almost doubling in size everyday.



I always try to water my soil with de-chlorinated water. I fill five gallon buckets with cold tap water and add a handful of organic alfalfa pellets ($6 for 50 pounds at the local feed store). Over the next 24 hours the chloramine works on the alfalfa and releases all the chlorine into the air. There is a tiny amount of nitrogen in the alfalfa, but it does not seem to affect flowering or ripening times. If anything my ripening times are better than usually predicted.

Tomorrow I will water with a mild kelp solution. Xerb
Old 01-22-2021, 05:39 PM
Are there any freaks in the house?
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Day 11
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Even at about a week old, genetic issues / damage / aberrations are quite apparent. This strain came to me with these issues.
Since I am trying to preserve genetic diversity in the strain, I am going to let them all grow. Who is to say, these mutations might be what we are looking for.
Perhaps as humans we are responsible for culling the odd looking plants for aesthetic reasons, but it's possible their genetics hold a trait we want and desire in the finished product.

I promise to document these aberrations as best I can, they will get even more bizarre as the plants mature.

Variegation and fasciation [SP?] coming soon...


These 2 seedlings popped up within a day of each other


Here are examples of the damage - this affects at least 50% of the seedlings to some extent









I expect that as they get a few more leaves these weirdos will catch up with their siblings.


Freaky, huh? Xerb
Old 01-23-2021, 02:09 PM
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Old 01-26-2021, 02:37 PM
1/2 and 1/2
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Day 15
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This will give you a better idea of the genetic issues we will see as these seedlings turn into teens.
We will start with several more normal looking plants and progress towards the freaks. Many are even worse than what I show, as they get a bit bigger I will include pictures.















Some may question whether this strain is worth keeping. Trust me, it produces world class ganga. Xerb
Old 01-26-2021, 03:17 PM
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i get my seat, Xerb, if you don't mind.
i'm really interested in.

as I can see, dated seeds often needs more time to get vigorous and this mean bearing some aberration sometimes, as you call'em.
are you working on a IBL burma gene?
Old 01-29-2021, 08:09 AM
12 day olds
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It has been 12 days since these babies broke the soil surface and started to absorb the artificial sunlight.
The more robust are now 3 inches tall.

I know there are several things I could have done to make them grow faster. A handful of clean white perlite on top of the soil under their leaves will reflect light and the difference is significant for young seedlings. When I used to use fertilizer, I found that a mild foliage feeding also added to the growth rate.

Call me lazy, I don't go to the trouble any more.

Yes, they are only 3 inches tall, but some are over 11 inches wide!





I have only given them one kelp tea so far, tomorrow I may give them another. I will probably HAVE TO change the light cycle in about a week or they will get too big!

About half of them look like mutants from the Two Dog Star. Praise the Goddess !

All these odd looking plants are at least a few days behind the others. Look closely and you can see how much smaller the mutants are.



They should be EXPLODING with growth from here on out.

I recently found another GT female I had hanging in the drying shed. It was the runt and I had considered culling it. It produced less than 1/4 of what the next smallest did. And wouldn't you know - it is by far the best in terms of smell and taste. It is very sweet, and put a BIG smile on my face as it actually reminded me of Thai Stick ! The high is exceedingly clear, lower dosages are very functional - further testing required !

XERB
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Cool project. Subbed.
Old 01-29-2021, 07:01 PM
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Subbed...a strain dear to my heart...world class indeed, one of my favs!

Bring the fire xerb!

Peace
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Old 01-30-2021, 06:57 PM
Freak out!
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More mutations from the Acropolis

Close up

Whole plant

More weirdness





Everybody should get a chance to express themselves.


XERB

One of the freakiest plants I've ever seen grew only to be about two inches tall.
It was about 1.5 inches in diameter, but had about 10 sets of opposite leaves and then formed a bud not much bigger around than a pencil.
This was a totally wild plant, sprouted from a seed that probably got swept out the front door.

It was perfectly symetrical, with a single cola, just like you see in SOG.

What made it so FRIGGIN' FASCINATING was the total overall size. How can leaves grow so small and so thin?

Sorry but this was before the camera was invented.

Back when most of our pot came from Mexico. Kilos of mid-grade Mex selling for $100 a pound, buy 2 get .2 lb free!

Back when you could buy $15 thai sticks, and Totally Awesome Colombian for about $40-50 an oz. Each pound was totally different from each other, with a wide range of colors, smells, tastes and highs. Every week it was a new smoking experience.

Back before ANYBODY knew how to grow indoors!
Old 02-02-2021, 06:13 PM
Help Me Please!
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Remember this little guy?


This is the last one in my previous post. The next morning it had shot out a new set of leaves that looked eerily like a hand reaching up, as if it was screaming "Help Me". It would have been so easy to cull it, was this a test? Did it somehow pick up on my thoughts and find hope?

I am excited about all the little freaks now. Most are only a few days, maybe a week behind the most robust of the plants.
Here is a bigger picture to show what the garden looks like overall.
These are now 16 days from the FIRST ones coming up.


Notice the little freaks in the barren spots? They are really starting to kick in. Many of the larger plants were also freaky.
Look closer and you will see twisted leaves and variegation.

Just as another test, I started another 20 Burmese seeds, just to see if the freak ratio was any different with fresh seeds. The fresh seeds seemed to have about the same percentage of freaks.

These two plants had relatively minor genetic aberrations, but look how they are doing now at 16 days. Unless you were really paying attention, it would have been easy to miss their slow start. I might have culled them if I was looking for the picture perfect plant.


I think it is kinda funny, for years I have tried to grow without stressing my plants, now I am thinking of adding stress back in to cause senescence late in the flowering cycle.


Go figure... XERB
Old 02-04-2021, 06:00 AM
Tie your mothers down!
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Hello, remember this little guy? He just wont say quit, and is now pushing out a new set of leaves almost every day.


To encourage secondary growth I am trying to bend them over and tie them down.




Their main stems are so thick and tough I could only get a bend on the top inch or so without breaking them.

At 18 days old, these teens are growing more than an inch a day.
You can literally watch them grow. They are now 12 inches tall and wider than they are tall.
I don't like to transplant at all, because you would totally miss this incredible vigor.

XERB


PS. Training your tops over.
There are probably easier ways to do this, but this is what works for me.

I use the free wooden chopsticks I get with my Thai food, and put several wraps of soft coated plant wire around the big end.

I sharpen the other end slightly with a cheap pencil sharpener. Next, push it into the soil at an angle so the chopstick will be perpendicular to the direction the wire will be pulling.

After anchoring the stick, I approximate where I will need a hook in the wire, then bend the plant over into the hook. Viola!

The great thing about doing it this way is that it is so easy to shorten the wire by adding a bend or two in the wire - like this

I bought a big roll of this stuff at home depot, and it has lasted for many years.
Old 02-05-2021, 04:49 PM
Heavens to Murgatroyd !
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Wow, tomorrow will be 3 weeks, I started training the tops down 2 days ago - and this is a slow growing strain?
It must be something in the soil.

20 days now since the first ones poked their little heads up.


Both these guys are pulled over and the secondary growth is already as tall as the main shoot.

These guys are going to stretch like crazy, I should probably switch to 11/13 now, but I am hoping the little mutants get a little bigger.
I think I'll wait a couple days.



Funny story, I turned the lights and fans off last night for 2.5 hours so I could work in the grow room. When I turned the lights back on, the plants were so unhappy! They had drooping leaves and just looked miserable. But what was so amazing was that all the primary shoots had bent over at 90 degrees and where pointing at my work light !! It would have been so much easier to train the tops right then - they were already bent over !
Live and learn.

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Old 02-06-2021, 09:15 AM
branching out
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Hello my friends,

At three weeks old, the 15 best are all 8-10 inches tall and 16-18 inches across.
In this picture I wanted to show you what the stems and secondary branching look like.

The largest part of the main stem is about twice the diameter of a pencil. Most have secondary branching larger than a pencil.

Sorry it is on it's side

Aside from the genetic issues documented earlier they look great, even the seed leaves are still green and healthy looking.

All the little freaks have really kicked it into gear and are catching up with their siblings. At a glance, you would never know they had a slow start.

There are a few late additions to the garden.
About 10 days into the grow, i decided to start a few more seeds, just to make sure every pot had at least 2 starts in it.
With luck every big pot will end up with at least one female, every small pot with a male or two.

Another two small pots were started with a favorite cross of mine, Jack Herer X Burmese. I hope to get a female or two in each pot, and will pollinate a few branches with the Burmese as well.

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