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Old 10-15-2019, 11:42 AM
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The next chapter

I need a place to keep track of this new grow since it is already evolving to the point where I am confusing myself trying to keep up with the current plan, so here it goes: The plan as it stands today.

The Strains from seed..trying out MSNL and their strains.

1. Original Glue
2. Girl Scout Cookies
3. Northern Lights
4. Gelato
5. Cheese (gifted from someone, I think paradise seeds...the have not arrived yet.)

All the seeds are feminized and I have 7 seedlings currently, which I refer to as young mothers.

I currently have them in small cups with a bit of soil in them, but I will be transplanting the mothers into extended reservoir hempy buckets in a few days. I will put in pictures once I lay out the plan.

The plan is to keep the mothers under either my 8 bulb t5 or 8 bulb t8 (I haven't decided, but I will probably start with the t8 and see how they do) My ex-hempy set up can currently hold up to 12 moms, so I will add moms as I see fit/acquire genetics.

I will be looking for keeper mothers, so I will top them each around the 5th or 6th node, then root the tops and veg them for a couple weeks before flipping them.

For cloning, I will build a DIY aero-cloner with 24 sites.

I have a grow room in my house, then a complete 3 bedroom house just dedicated for this grow.

The lighting will be vertical 600 HPS, which I have 4 of, and I plan on putting them in the middle of some 8 plant donuts. My first run will be all 7 mother tops, which consist of 1 GSC, 2 Gelato, 2 NL, 2 GG.

I have room for many Donuts, in several rooms, so I will eventually be monocroping the best yielders in each donut, while kepng a couple to experiment.

I also have a few 315w CMH lights. I will use these as follows:
Once the clones are well rooted, they will go into a veg donut with a 315w CMH in the center until they are the right size and shape to go into flower. I have enough veg room to run two veg donuts simultaneously.

I will later experiment with running a donut completely through veg and flower with the CMH with two donuts side by side in their own room...next door, will be two donuts with 600w HPS powering them. That will be my experiment room.

My goal is to start by staggering each donut by about 2.5 weeks since these strains will all go 8-10 weeks. Maybe by the third or fourth donut, I will have complete donuts of one strain...then I will dial it in from there as far as veg time, which will be the toughest part since I will be training and defoliating in veg...but once I am loading a donut every 2.5 weeks, veg time is irrelevant. I think I have the space for 13ish donuts, so the master plan is to harvest a donut each week.

The system for the donuts will be an undercurrent system like Heath Nasty showed us back in the OG days... 5 gal buckets with 2.5 gal inner buckets full of 'ton.

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Old 05-30-2020, 03:23 PM
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So, with my coco actually in those fabric pots, and there only being 12 of them, the donut is much tighter...



All of them are off the ground, but I used different size risers to bring the top of the canopies close to the same height.. This is the day after transplant.
Old 05-30-2020, 03:23 PM
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Like I said before, the inner circle of this donut is very tight. I measured across the circle from leaf to leaf and it is 27" both directions. So that is 27x27" for 729 sq inches... divide that by 144 inches in a square foot is 5.06 square feet. I want to see what I can expect from these CMH bulbs that I have, so I dropped a 315w CMH in the middle of the donut. 315 watts divided by 5.06 sq feet puts me in the golden zone of 50+ w/sf, at 62.25. So far the plants like it as you can see from the transplant day of May 26th, flipped on May 28th, and today, May 30 after 2 days of 12/12, they look much more full:









And those are today... We are caught up.
Old 05-31-2020, 07:18 AM
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I watered everything today at 5.8 PH, 488tds. I will continue feeding veg nutes for the first two weeks of 12-12 which started 5-28... so June 12th will be the first day of flower nutes.
Old 05-31-2020, 07:23 AM
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The plant layout of the donut is as follows, with 5 regular, NF (nonfeminized plants):

1 Northern Lights
1 Gelato
1 Cotton Candy Kush NF
2 Big Blue Cheese
3 AK47
4 THC Bomb NF

and a partridge in a pear tree...
Old 05-31-2020, 03:58 PM
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Today I consider day 3 of flower since it is the 31st and I turned the lights out for their first dark period at 6:57pm on the 28th, which ended with lights on on the 29th, making the 29th day 1 in my book. so 29th-1, 30th-2, 31st-day 3 of flower.
Now that we've got that squared away, what happened on day 3? Excellent question and I am glad you asked... First, every plant was fed 455 ppm @ 5.8ph. this is important because the transplant is still fresh from the 27th on the younger ones, so they are still fed EOD. Perhaps I will switch to every day after their feeding on the 4th. This week will give them time to fill in their root mass a bit before thety start getting fed every day, then multiple times per day later in flower.

The second thing I did was tighten the donut a bit... I am trying to get the most watts/sq ft so that I can produce the most yield with the least light... not just the most yield. Efficiency is the name of this game. If I can dial in my system to where I can veg a cut to the size necessary to maximize yield out of this set up (ie 12 plants around a 315 CMH bare bulb), then I will duplicate it as many times as I can.

If I need to veg them longer so I flower them when they are bigger and stack the 315 CMH, I will. If it is better to go with 600w hps, then I have some of those too. It does not seem very far-fetched to be able to yield an once and a third (1.33oz) per plant in this set up. If you think I am off base, come in my diary, called the compound in my signature, or in the vert/coliseum forum and tell me. We can discuss it publicly. I am happy to do so.

Why the 1.33oz per plant average? Because if I average 1.33oz/plant... average, meaning some can be more, and some can be less, then that will yield me a pound--which is 454g.
454g/315w=1.44 g/w... not unheard of, but good enough for me... Even an oz/plant average would be over a g/w, at 1.06.

So, with all that in mind, since I am not going to add watts to the equation, in order to get more watts/sq ft, I need to reduce the square footage. The math I did in yesterday's entry showed that I was sitting at 62.25 w/sf. That is pretty good since anything at 50+ is optimal. At that point the plants were 14" away from the bulb... so I tightened the donut today and got them between 11-12" away, which at 12" away, brings the watts/sf to 78.7. That should help produce everything we can... light wise.

The other main variable is the size of the plant at flip, and how long it takes to veg them to that size. There will be a point of diminishing returns on size going into flower, at which point it will finish too tall and raising the light to accommodate will be sacrificing the yield of the lower part of the plant. I think the starting point of that inquisition will be whichever plant produces the most in this harvey...which I expect to be that little Gelato bush... but don't sleep on the NL or the BBC... Those might look pretty good post stretch...we shall see what we shall see.... here are today's pictures of the tighter donut.









Old 06-20-2020, 03:15 PM
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Week three of 12/12 in the books... I evened he canopy with different size risers, and I will start to defoliate so that hopefully they can produce a little something....





Old 06-21-2020, 01:35 PM
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I removed all fans that that were shading any nodes... I will defoliate and remove suckers over the next few days... Hopefully I'll end up with some towers of flowers...









I also increased the feedings to 3/day and increased the nute strength to around 1,000
Old 06-25-2020, 01:49 PM
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The trichs started coming out in week 3...much more prevalent in week 4. Quick update photos.







Old 06-28-2020, 05:52 PM
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A couple update pictures.... this is what I like to call, the circle of life....with light just coming on this morning:




Here's the right side:




Here's the left side:



And a couple of close ups.....it looks like the forecast is frosty for the next few weeks....



Old 07-21-2020, 04:37 PM
A couple nug shots.
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I am moving locations and I just got about 25 more elite strains for the new set up... So, I will pick up from here when I get set up next month. Here are a couple nug pics from the harvest... These genetics from MSNL are the real deal. Their customer service is excellent. During this grow I have ordered 6 orders from them, I had a few problems, and they were instantly satisfied beyond expectations. The genetics speak for themselves with those Gelato nugs... I appreciate the help, freebies with every order, and great stealth. That part of the experiment was a great success.




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