Note:Certain pictures/links have been removed at different times, for different reasons. My apologies.
The idea for a thread initially came to me as I was going on one of my last (or what I thought to be), "rounds" to go out for the year. ( of course also by another similar thread
, which tended to span many subjects and topics and turn into quite a few posts..which is actually where and why I am borrowing the title, as it is somewhat of an offshoot....)
Of course, within 45 minutes
of that thought, I had already finished speaking to someone who decided they "were in" for a a small run of "mini's, meaning I will have to, within a couple weeks, make another "round" for him, and, of course, since I will be busy anyway
, well, I'll add a bunch also for me to put at a yet to be determined spot...
(I'm sure I'll find a place for em....
So, why and what occurred to me that my "last round", which was actually
supposed to be a quick "hit and run" indoor at the "veg center" before packing it all up and shutting down, I decided I will just send them to an outdoor location.....possibly with some going to a seed plot..(That round is Rez Diesel, DA BB x NL, Blockhead, and the last of my BOG Sour Bubble....). Possibly my location(s), possibly Partnership locations. I haven't decided . (Depends on final numbers and spots at either available which seem "safe" enough. Of course, they'll be late planted/ "mini's", so, opens up a whole different set of possibilities and locations.
It then occurred to me since doing later rounds which weren't firmly planned, that why not just hold back those above, shave em (clone) all down when I started germing for the other project in about a month......and that of course while the entire process is quite simple.....sometimes people just need to hear and see a couple new ideas to form many of their own, and, that one being a good example. (ie: Instead of flipping down indoors, why not just hold onto them, veg a little, and turn those into another 500...and, split them between my own and the other project, or, even just keep them all for my spots and germ and prepare the other project. (about 500 mini's....)
Of course, I've made a lot of posts on a lot of topics contained, and, pics will be limited as many are aware I recently had a security breech, which in the process was deletion of handles, posts, galleries, and, also all the original docs and systems wiped clean, but, will include pics I can find when and where appropriate to illustrate.
I will leave specific numbers out of the topic, but, for sake of conversation "Earlier rounds" are 500+/-,
and, "later rounds" are on average about 100 at a time give or take. (Could also be split, so, 50 one day, 50 the next, etc) So, we could say
, to assist illustration, that the "main" might be around 4000-5000.......the "city" might be up to 1500+, and the "late/extra" might be around 500 or so....
(1st (main) is a split, 50/40/10, 40% my end, (Landowner of property owner always gets superior share as greatest risk in op).....City is 100% mine...Lates/3rd are 100$ in my spots, 50% mine in other spots (although if good year I'll change that to 30% my end to be generous.
(Note: I prefer to start with fem seed and then move onto clones and only do male/female seed when absolutely no other present choice. The no maintenance I prefer clones if I have extra so fem seed can be done at best spot (least security issues), and, if not, fem beans. (Male/female have to be sexed and can be a problem because of course we have no specific idea and would be impossible to go in , time it, and just sex all and not come back.)
Clones are simply done in RW plugs (2 to a plug for max spacing and efficiency
) under T-5's (domes misted daily) with about 1/4-1/2" very light nutes and usually by the time water is gone. If not sufficient roots (for transplant/desired), watered again, , same as above, after which there are usually more roots than plug left. It's easily possible to do 100+ per 10" x 20" tray
, which means one can easily turn out numbers fitting their desires in a fairly small space, fairly quickly, with minimal cost. (And, no, it's not too late in season. If one had a couple mothers onhand, they might be able to get 200+ per mother, and, within 2 weeks, early July, have them out, enabling not quite giants, and, not quite mini's, but, some fair yields depending on your numbers.
The "main"/1st consists of wilderness, several hrs out of city limits where I always say you could "lie down in the middle of road, sleep, wake up, have some OJ and leave" never having seen a person or car or plane. It's about 100 "spots", with each spot up to 100+, "average" spots 50. (All "spots" planted staggered, worked in to surroundings, no definable pattern. Sometimes all same strain, sometimes mixed."Earlier" Holes/rounds are done by power
,app. 12" wide by up to 3" deep
, prepped with dry organics, and, top fed once in a while when either there, the time to do it, or, see a need, but, do not usually show any problems and are top fed minimal 2 times. (About 3-5 cups of a custom organic mix are tossed in each hole and around the dirt from the whole and mixed before a transplant, and watered a little.)
The "City" might be up to 20 locations, up to 100 per "spot" because planted a little later (June-July) sometimes on opposite ends, areas of the city. These might consist of construction sites, railroad/highway sites, industrial with vegetation,around golf courses, city and county land...anywhere else one can imagine in a major metropolitan area. (My spot next do a suburban police station was turned into a development couple years back though
City spots would be minimal holes, straight in ground, with dry mix and top feed (and sometimes crystals) mixed in with soil before planting, average 1 hole a minute and up to 1 x 1. Most of the time, done at night, spaces either used previous years without any problem or loss or new scouted numerous times the previous year, and, likewise, new spots scouted current year. Ideally, never a visit to second spot and finishing dates estimated with a night quick hit and run cut, although, a possible pass by if in area and right time of day and convenient. Maybe 2 during season, maybe less, maybe more but always
a pre cut visit a week or so at a distance enough to scope plots and surroundings and try and determine if still there, okay, no issues to be concerned about.
3rd spot will most likely consit of an semi-urban backyard, maybe a 10 x 20 plot that will be prepped shortly by owner to my directions, and planted very small, very tight (pre sex)....maybe 500 or so, and, at the same time will be running maybe another 500 somewhere else that I have not decided yet that I would rather do on my own.(I mean, since I am making some anyway
, might as well make more I think
, right now......those , maybe will start........Hmmmm..........Ju ly 25th......lately, I have been doing about 14 days from when they break the soil to putting them out.(I only count after cracked seed and broke soil and shook off seed coat...) but, of course, late, (and anytime for that matter), people tend to "hold onto them" for any number of reasons a little too long when in reality your just hurting your own efficiency (ie: will grow faster out, so, you want them out asap, although "established" comes into play....the more "established" they are the greater chances of suiccess, but, with late planted, you want them out much earlier....)
Should also be noted late oplanted project has already changed now....and will be at least 3 locations...500 in one, and, up to 2000 in others....and, then...maybe even more
...all depends on how many can be fit (germing) into prep space, which will be "mapped " out within next week or so (2-3 weeks before germ) (There was one planned earlier in year for about 4,000 in one spot, which died on the vine for various reasons, but, it is again being discussed...) That was most likely going to be a purchase of an "estate"..private land used in semi rural urban location if that makes sense....
Late projects will be done with the larger jiffy pellets,which I believe can be done up to 300+ per tray/container, getting about 2100+/- per room (2 rooms) every 7+/- days....(so, 4200 every 7+/- days...enabling a potential of 8400 mini's ready to go within 14+/- days....doesn't matter if a little off.....) Maybe some pics when prep and mapping of space begins, or when ready, or when out...(or all).. we will see....usually method is soaking in light veg solution, with about 1/4" in trays, replaced as it is either wicked, evaporated, or eaten.....(many know how fast the peat products as said can dry out.....you never want them to dry out.....the roots penetrate very easily when kept moist...and with such small volume (of medium) and such fast growth, they dry out very quickly if not tended to and enough in trays to wick...
All rounds for all projects, early or later (not the latest as above.."last shot" batches )are done when roots break through peat pots, which has been around 2 weeks or so and 6+".
(Peat pots, despite all other previous claims
by any something I swear by
, and, have tremendous success with on an extremely large volume, consistently
. Some will claim that the pots leech moisture, drying out the pot, and that, as such, it is impossible for roots to penetrate
, but, my experiences
would show those inaccurate claims
, due to not being aware how to use them correctly
For any and all rounds, numbers are determined simple byby contaniners used (1.75" jiffy's not included in pick)
. In some cases, one might be able to get 500, even up to 1000 (300 per container)
instead of 100-200 at a time into a trunk
if using the jiffy's or the 2" peat, down to less per container with 3" (square or round), to 8-12-16oz cups, through the 6" peat pots , which are absolutely fantastic.
One should be aware of all steps in the process from start through finish (ie: If planning larger numbers, all should fall in line
with those numbers from pots through transport through method to most quickly and efficiently plant.
. 1000 jiffy's? No problem, 3 containers under a 1k. 1000 in 6" pots?, your looking at 50 per larger tray or container, meaning 20 trays to prep, plant, germ, grow, water, transport, and plant. Big difference.
(Between 3 trays and 20!)
All rounds, anywhere, for any project are also scheduled and planted on days preceding rain.
ie: 1-2-3+ days of rains coming in?, great, that will be enough to saturate soil, give them light weather/temps and sun to "break them in", meaning no sun exposure and no water/nute mix necessary for those rounds.
Likewise, some rounds just "have to go", plain and simple, regardless, so, those will get watered and also crystals (wetted down mixed in with solution used at transplant, and, also some dry added to hole.
Planting at different rounds of any location is determined simply by motivation
"earlier" rounds tend to get the holes, and, are viewed as the "guarantee" for weight desired, using low estimates, of course (a lesson here), "later rounds, "other projects" are of course the "backup"...or, the "gravy".....
(ie: One could think, okay, I drilled 500 prepped holes, will be giants, solid, but, let's assume low end of 1/4 lb a plant (actual can be up to 2lb's a plant. 3/4-1 will probably be "actual" yield. (But, never assume) Then, one might continue germing or cloning and planting until "late season", for "gravy. (ie: separation and focusing on desired end results and objectives)
So.....some will have holes, others will not, and minimal hole...all are "no maintenance" to a degree
...ranging from every 2 weeks for a quick "inspection" or so, possibly pull /cut some weeds and a top feed, some will simply be planted at any time, and return upon estimated finish dates established based upon strain.....late planted may very well be a prepared plot(s), completely, but I have not decided how yet.(ie: P-K heavy since will flower shortly, with higher N initial feeding?, etc...)
None will be watered manually unless absolutely necessary, which is usually not as planting before runs coming in, with or without holes, will usually get it going well enough where it can endure times with minimal rain.
Note: Ideally, you want a nice heavy storm every week, possibly two, with later, when established, especially with holes, it being able to handle more.
Of course I am in the NE, west of Mississippi, North of Tennessee. Others in climates with less rainfall may not be able to get away with the above, and might need you to stop in. For the most part, in that region, I have never watered a single plant manually in my entire life. This year, I watered one patch with about 300 one time...being of course out of many locations,(200?) and, many more numbers.
As one can possibly imagine, it does become somewhat of an issue keeping track of multiple spots, at multiple locations, and several different overall projects. Only memory and landmarks are used, with most locations being used before, and, most of the time, not a problem. (Many utilize GPS....which is fine until one realizes the implications should it fall into the wrong hands at any time, which leads right back to security issues, number of plants per plot, etc.....ie: Big difference
being caught in a plot of 50-100 and being caught in a plot of 50-100 and then linked to 100+ other plots and up to 10-15,000+
Maybe you just stumbled upon that plot and were planning to steal some while hoping the growers of it didn't come by......
(I know personally one individual whom was caught in a plot whom upon their appearance begged for his life and how he was only going to take a little............we'll leave it at that
(It should be noted one should always have identifying factors covered (tats, hair, eyes, etc) and hoods when visiting and also a change of clothes nearby...( a man in black or camo from head to toe with a hood in no way
clearly identifies someone 2 miles away in jeans in a t shirt....) Cameras have become the norm in investigations. Smaller projects one hopes upon a problem they will merely find business cards in the stumps, but the larger one goes, the greater the interest may very well be.
Of course, the magic of outdoor is it's simplicity. ie: Anyone, anywhere, anytime
with minimal funding, a car, and minimal space can easily
produce 1000 outdoors.(Even more...your only limit is your budget (can use bagseed) and the amount of time and effort one has to dedicate to the project(s)......
There might not be the pictures one is hoping for.....and with dates edited out........because...of course.....maybe
I'm lying about numbers.......(could be
I'm lying about everything (dates) and aren't even running anything at all.....(could be
So.... anything and everything.....from seeds or clones early and late through outdoor drying through packed and gone....through asset allocation....property selection(s).....etc...
While many may be under the impression that money (management, distribution, procurement of assets,etc) and budgets and such things play less for outdoor, such is not only not the case
, but, in some ways more so applicable
, due to expenses reduced 10+ fold and profits and yields increased 10 x fold......
One example is I was recently talking to a newer grower (real life) about his objectives....."Why"...."And then what"....and, an example of topic in this specific case being "Okay, then, let's say, every year, for every crop, goal should be get a 6-12 flat out of it (6-12 unit apartment buildings...)"...every year, every crop, dedicate to real property/hard/tangible assets, etc....(or both split......maybe a building, and, then maybe assets placed at alternate location......ie: Why do it for money if objective is not to accumulate substantial wealth, etc....
Outdoor activities much less risk of being tied to a criminal conspiracy (such as being caught red handed in a property you have been watched coming in and out of arising from ___ information, etc...) and as such, carries much more safety (on a time line/annual/exposure basis)....ie: Instead of one being directly, or indirectly connected to 1 or more indoor locations and properties for 12 months out of the year...outdoor changes that aspect to one's involvement being 6 months out of the year, or less
, and, depending when you plant, even less, ending up with the late planted "mini's", which would then place ones entire annual exposure at 3 months+/-.
Increased yield, increased profits, reduced expenses, reduced exposure.....