[englishrick]

so i hear....

"most s1`s from cheese grow into landrace phenos"...



so it got me thinking,,,,,are these landrace phenos good examples of the parents that were used to make the mother??

if so... is it possible to s1 haze from TFD and find old lines ???

[dubi]

Originally Posted by englishrick

so i hear....

"most s1`s from cheese grow into landrace phenos"...



so it got me thinking,,,,,are these landrace phenos good examples of the parents that were used to make the mother??

if so... is it possible to s1 haze from TFD and find old lines ???

It's very difficult, almost impossible to obtain pure landrace genotype from a hybrid, at least without lab and deep biology knowledge. You should track firstly genes which represent your parental lines, then try to find the closest genome to the original parental plant in the hybrid. Maybe a hybrid pheno expression is close to one of your old parental plants but hybrid genotype is still hybridized and not true breeding for the traits that parental lines were.

And are you looking for a concrete true breeding trait or most true breeding traits that represent your landrace parental plant?? It takes LOTS of generations to become a hybrid into a true breeding inbred line and you'll probably end up with something quite different to the parental lines that were used to bred the hybrid you are working with.

Selfing cheese clone you maybe can fix her aroma but you wont find pure afghani expressions or pure colombian expressions, colombian or afghani dominants maybe but it's not possible to restore original parental genome. That's why is so important to keep landrace/and stable breds in pure form for future, once it's crossed you can not go back.

[englishrick]

i understand that they are still hybrids and not true IBL`s,

the same person who found landrace phenos in the cheese,he also picked the most indica types and crossed them back together....the seeds showed plants very similar to cheese

i emigine that it is also possible to make it more of an indica...or more sativa depending on your choice of "recombined landrace phenos"

[dubi]

Hello rick,

Originally Posted by englishrick

i understand that they are still hybrids and not true IBL`s,

the same person who found landrace phenos in the cheese,he also picked the most indica types and crossed them back together....the seeds showed plants very similar to cheese

i emigine that it is also possible to make it more of an indica...or more sativa depending on your choice of "recombined landrace phenos"

It depends on the kind of hybrid you are trying self. It's not the same try to self a 4 way outcross elite clone or a semi stabilized F4 thai x afghani. I depends a lot on the hybrid stability and how many traits are you looking to breed with.

Cheese is a Skunk, and Skunk is a true breeding plant for a few traits... Selfing skunk produces plants that mostly flower, smell and resists like skunk, as you said some will be a little more sativa, other slighty more indica....

Skunk strong aroma comes from the afghani, but this doesnt mean you can get the original afghani genotype by selfing your skunk, and rarely a very dominant afghani pheno, skunk has been inbred too much for that kind of pheno disgregation.

[englishrick]

i know what you mean when you say hybrid stability...this is why i was so interested when i hear cheese is throwing out landrace phenos

i am under the impression that cheese has been inbread since just after samS turned it into a pollyhybrid..

is it possible we are seeing .....the "di hybrids"???

allso i agree......it depends on how many traits you want to work with.....true.....but maybe some are more mex.... some are more afgahn....etc

[englishrick]

il give it a go if knowone want to tell me im stupid


pleaase do!!

[englishrick]

^^this was a very old thread!!!,,,,,,i had 50 Cheese S1 mothers untill recently and none looked like landrace phenos!!..i tryed to put 4 in a friends house an my mate scraped them all in fear of losing money,,,S1 cheese are all very similar plants!!,, nothing looks like a mexi sativa or the cheese!!,,,

the cheese trait is oviously recessive!!,,,,it will need recombination to raise its head proppely!!

unfortunatly ,Cheese S1`s are just crappy afghan dom skunk plants,,,

[medmaker420]

well its good you were able to grow em out and find out for yourself. Who known what can come from the recessive crossing out though. I like looking for recessive traits far more than dom traits personally. Just like with most things, the recessives can carry the gold, that is if you can locate and lock em in.

[indifferent]

I remember when I used CS to revert the Exodus Cheese and posted pics, someone chimed in with the info that selfing the Cheese produced 'crappy landrace phenos'. Well, I laughed at the time as that person clearly didn't understand what a landrace is.

Thanks for explaining it dubi.

I really don't get this obsession with old lines like Skunk. There is one guy who fills up countless threads with his Cheese breeding project, well what a waste of time, all he is doing is trying to bottleneck the skunk #1 line into one recessive pheno. What a waste of resources, he would make much better use of his space and time and effort if he did some proper breeding with new lines rather than wading about in an old polyhybrid with a very murky lineage.

Crappy Afghan dom skunk plant describes Cheese pretty well imho, it has that unusual smell/taste but apart from that, it's nothing more than a crappy old Skunk.

There are much, much better skunk #1 phenos to be found than Cheese, just the modern day skunk #1 offerings are pretty highly worked into a homogenous line these days. However, if you grow Skunk from Seedsman, it's still the old version they bought in bulk from Sam, and it still has variation with Mexican and Colombian phenos that go upto 13 weeks. Those phenos piss all over Cheese, in fact half the phenos out of Seedsman's Skunk piss all over Cheese.

[bombadil.360]

Originally Posted by englishrick

none looked like landrace phenos

what does a landrace looks like, rick?

land races looks vary so much, that you cannot go by the looks of plants to determine what is or is not a landrace.

peace