Originally Posted by ARTofMAKINGfire

I just typed another huge response only to have it lost by this BS posting system. You guys at IC should try and fix that. I've had it happen ALOT, and I'm sure it pisses of others...

I see a need to reveal certain things about myself so that everyone can have a good understanding.

I have been smoking marijuana for 12 years. Growing up in and around NYC, I was always the one with the best weed. I made it a point to be. Even those that sold would frequently ask me my opinion of thier product. This turned into a passion for growing, and now has become a need to stabilize this strain.

My knowledge of cultivation gained me access to certain circles in life that I would otherwise be denied. My first commercial grow was deep in the hood of Opa-Locka, a suburb of Miami. My business partner sold cocaine at a fraternity I would attend parties at. He saw me rolling up some Dutch Passion Blueberry I grew and questioned me about the smell. I gave him a nug and told him to try for himself. He called some kids in the frat to ask if I was still there, then returned to tell me the weed was so potent it made him vomit. He asked me where I got it and if I could hook him up with some. I told him I had very limited quantities because I had grown it. This peaked the man's intrest and he continued to question my knowledge of the grow. Impressed, he finally asked me if I would set up and grow in a 3 bedroom home he had access to that was vacant. Being at that time a personal grower, the idea was seductive, and I couldn't say no. Within one week we were spending $4000 on eqipment. I did 6 runs there. Cash flow began.

This is what gained the respect of certain individuals. I was courted several times in Miami to join a set and grow for them. I never did. I did get involved with transport. This is what strengthened my NY connections...

Miami to NY is a scary place to be.

It's like descending to Hell (NY) from Heaven (MIA) and I-95 N is purgatory. The closer you get to Hell, the more things heat up.

Anyway, my reputaion as a grower followed me wherever I went. A couple of Dominican growers who had heard about me asked to meet me. We kept in contact and dicussed grows. At some point in the course of chilling and drinking, I was professing my love the Uptown Haze and dude slipped. He said, "This haze ain't got a thing on what I crank out." My jaw dropped and we stared at eachother. The first thing I said was, "Let me get a cut." He cracked a smile like he'd been caught and said, "Chill, chill, homie. We'll talk. We'll talk." So we talked. I somehow ended up settling for moving the weight and getting the direct hook up from him (the grower) at a price that is infathomable. I inquried about the origin of these genetics to which he replied, "God has them down in Georgia. He's only give it out if you run it for him." He was reffering to the leader of DDP, not a higher power. I asked him, "What if I run a house for him? I'm down fa that." He looked at me seriously and said God wouldn't allow it, because I'm a white boy. I got flustered, hating when the people play the RACE card when it's convienient and knowing I was a more staunch individual than 90% of them.

That continued on for years. I played a sort of middle man, dishing off the Haze to an associate in Brooklyn. This guy was insrtucted (by me) to save any seeds he might find and give them to his friend, my brother.

I just recently asked him if he had any. He said he did indeed have 4 seeds. He gave them to my brother and upon inspection, I was pleased to say the least. All four of the seeds were large, dark, with a few stripes on them. One clearly has a hairline fracture in the shell. I germinated all four. The one that was cracked, wad cracked. And one of them didn't pop.

So from what I know, I can tell you that, IN MY OPINION, the Uptown Haze is a phenotype of some type of 100% haze that has been going for YEARS. Being that the seeds came from a room of clones, I would like to think that these are females but I'm not sure of the science...

That is that. I hope for those that know me personally, this doesn't change you opinion of me. I do not deal in ANY hard drugs of ANY kind now. My only concern is marijuana. And now, the preservation, stability, and availability of it.

You are now 100% in the know and up to date.

Now, I'm talking DIRECTLY to YOU. How'd ya like that???

~~ARTofMAKINGfire~~

wow art....nice story.

I hate that frickin attitude. Hate, Hate Hate. I know a crew in Upstate NY that is that same way with one particular strain. I'm not naming any names, but the attitude is foolish. Good Plant=good plant. when someone is running weight, if you show up with five lbs of Diesel as opposed to the Uptown Haze, how much less $$$ is the buyer really going to short?

I might be a bit more concerned about those phone messages if I were you, now that you have revealed the caliber of individual you are dealing with. I hope your avatar is the real deal. Be cool brother.

Good on you for preserving it. hope for some ladies. Actually, since it came from a clone only room, you have no way of knowing what caused the seed. Plant anomaly, or grains of some pollen carried on the wind from another nearby grow. Who knows if that pollen was Northern Lights????

peace
jip

[AzGrOw-N-sMoKe]

fuck ya art...do that shit up an do it up right...from all the talks of "piff" while i was up there...this thread has defently sparked my interest...an if ya ever need a hand lemme know....a plane trip is only a few hours ...peace az

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Originally Posted by jipedestran

Actually, since it came from a clone only room, you have no way of knowing what caused the seed. Plant anomaly, or grains of some pollen carried on the wind from another nearby grow.

This doesn't concern me because these houses were dedicated soley to growing out Uptown Haze. That's the only strain they grew. I know that for a fact.

As far as caliber... I'm good.

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Originally Posted by AzGrOw-N-sMoKe

fuck ya art...do that shit up an do it up right...from all the talks of "piff" while i was up there...this thread has defently sparked my interest...an if ya ever need a hand lemme know....a plane trip is only a few hours ...peace az

Thanks mang. Stay safe out there and I'll see you in Vegas homie! I'll keep you posted...

Originally Posted by ARTofMAKINGfire

This doesn't concern me because these houses were dedicated soley to growing out Uptown Haze. That's the only strain they grew. I know that for a fact.

As far as caliber... I'm good.

Glad to hear about the caliber....I hope you don't have to use it.

I meant pollen carried on the wind from OUTSIDE the house. Unless they used carbon filters on all their intakes, it is possible that pollen from another grow in the geopgraphic area was able to infiltrate those rooms.

peace
jip

Originally Posted by ARTofMAKINGfire

If the planets properly allign and it is meant to be, I will get one female and one male. I will cross these two plants producing the first known backcross of this strain.

Correction my friend....this action will not be a back cross. It will be a cross, producing F1 seed. Hope you get at least M/F. From clone only rooms tho...more than likely you will get all fems. Whatever happens, it will surely be interesting, and perhaps a new clone donor mother.

Also, being from a clone only ran room originally(more than likely feminized seeds), there must have been a few nanners in the pool. Suggesting that there are herms in the linage. You may have to work the line to get rid of that, depending upon any further out/in/back crosses made.

Good luck. If ya need any breeding info, I'll be glad to lend a hand.

[xOOx]

what a story art!

lets hope these seeds are pure selfed, and not stray pollen. they should be both chix then. the dark and striped markings make me think it may be something else though, but i don't want to jinx it on you. hope your boy who saved your seeds is telling you the truth where he got em from.

f the dominicans trying to hold onto it and not share with the world. some people might truely benefit from its medicinal qualities. enough money has been made on it already ..so it's going to come out no matter what, if they allow it, or it jumps ship on its own. it wants to survive too man. i'm sure art has a good chance at getting this, as its a fact, the spanish dominicans are the ones with the piff and distribute it to the foot soldiers to sell at McPiffs on the street corner. i saw a youtube video of some guys driving to get some, and it was standing on line getting a nyc sandwich at lunch time kinda deal, wait your turn, bud.

i was wondering about the wild outside pollen with my plant, is it possible a stray pollen hit it up to make the seed, who knows? but then i noticed after friend had flowered it for wayy too long just recently (way over 100-120+ on the clone, got lazy and never harvested on time), and low and behold, a tiny light olive green seed was found in one bud of 4 plants, so you can do the math. have not tried to germinate it yet. and since most of it commercially is pulled way before the selfing limit, you will hardly ever find a seed unless there was an issue/delay with the grow. so now it makes sense on how i got my seed, since this girl did the same thing her mom (hmm, herself?) did at some point in the last 15 years. a long lasting clone of herself in seed form, lol.

sending you the piff vibes..

xoox

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

Brother Monk - Thank you for that correction. I admit I have some to learn when it comes to breeding, but I'm willing. I suspect that there are hermies in the line, but are you sure that is what produced the seed? Could it have been an act of sefl-preservation? I've read female plants in the wild sometimes do this. But does that involve the plants growing a stamen to produce pollen?

Are there any experts on the subject that can chime in?

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

xoox - I know what ya mean about the stripe, but having seen the seeds, they didn't look like a seed that would come in a pack. Actually not as many stripes as I'm used to. But they were real dark. One looked almost black.
And as far as the person who saved the seeds, he only sells this weed, and he only smokes this weed. He's one of those die-hard Haze smokers from NY that doesn't want to smoke anything else. Also, he was aware of what I do and knew that I wanted to grow them out, but not about the importance of the strain. So I see no reason why he would sabotage a close friend of many years over a routine thing. And he knows my obsession with calling a strain by it's proper name, and the way I label every jar/bag of weed...

[asher1er]

No made up drama here, i can relate to a certain point..

Art f*ck them, they been trying to keep the shit locked down for so long its not even funny, my cut is from a very tight circle which only did/does what you where in charge of back then growing it and running it up. Strictly dominicans buying from the cubans.

F*ck the drama n f*ck the ones threatning you, they shoulda never put a bag out with beans to begin with if they where so concerned..watch your self and stay safe homie if you need anything shoot me a message