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vta · 05-24-2008, 06:51 AM

Calif. Appeals Court Tosses Medical Pot Caps
Posted by CN Staff on May 23, 2008 at 18:35:45 PT
By Mike McKee, The Recorder
Source: Recorder

CA -- A California appellate court ruled Thursday that state legislators overstepped their bounds in 2003 by limiting the amount of marijuana that patients could possess for medical purposes.
The unanimous opinion by Los Angeles' 2nd District Court of Appeal said legislators acted unconstitutionally when they passed a statute that effectively amended Proposition 215 -- also known as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 -- to allow patients a maximum 8 ounces of dried pot and six mature or 12 immature marijuana plants at any given time.

"The Legislature ... cannot amend an initiative, such as the CUA, unless the initiative grants the Legislature authority to do so," Justice Richard Aldrich wrote. "The CUA does not grant the Legislature the authority to amend it without voter approval."

Justices H. Walter Croskey and Patti Kitching concurred.

Joseph Elford, chief counsel of Oakland, Calif.-based Americans for Safe Access, liked the sound of the ruling, but said he was somewhat confused because the California Supreme Court held in 2006's People v. Wright, 40 Cal.4th 81, that a per-patient limit on marijuana isn't a cap, but rather a constitutionally sound threshold. In other words, he said, eight ounces is merely a first threshold, with more pot available to patients if their doctors say they need it.

"It might confuse things because [the appellate court says] those numbers are caps, and they are not," said Elford, who was not a party to the suit. "But at the same time, to the extent they are telling law enforcement that they can't use the ... quantities as caps by which to harass or convict medical marijuana patients, it's a good thing."

In Thursday's ruling, the 2nd District ordered a retrial for Patrick Kelly, who was sentenced to three years of probation after jurors in 2006 found him guilty of possessing about 12 ounces of dried marijuana and pot plants. Kelly had a doctor's approval to use the substance for a variety of ailments, including hepatitis C, chronic back problems and cirrhosis.

The appeal court said the prosecution erred during arguments at trial by referencing a cap set forth in the Legislature's statute.

"The CUA does not quantify the marijuana a patient may possess," Aldrich wrote. "Rather, the only 'limit' on how much marijuana a person falling under the act may possess is it must be for the patient's 'personal medical purposes.'"

The court pointed out in a footnote, however, that the ruling doesn't give patients "a free pass" to possess as much pot as they desire. Instead, the amount should be "reasonably related" to a patient's medical needs.

Aldrich noted that the Legislature recognized in 2004 it had overreached the year before by instituting a cap. Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-Santa Clara, who authored the unconstitutional amendment, got a bill passed that removed the cap language. However, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill because he didn't like the fact that it removed "reasonable and established quantity guidelines," the justice wrote, quoting the governor's comments from back then.

"That may be a valid concern," Aldrich conceded. "Nevertheless, it is a concern that cannot be addressed by the Legislature acting without the voter's [sic] approval."

Los Angeles-based Supervising Deputy Attorney General Lawrence Daniels, who handled the case, was out of the office and couldn't be reached. His co-counsel, Deputy AG Ana Duarte, declined to comment.

Source: Recorder, The (CA)
Author: Mike McKee, The Recorder
Published: May 27, 2008
Copyright: 2008 ALM Properties, Inc.
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rootfingers · 05-24-2008, 07:18 AM

Wow! This state is so freakin reasonable it make me sick.

Wonder if I could get a Rx for that?

DIGITALHIPPY · 05-24-2008, 03:49 PM

this 'story' might be news, somehow.
but that has been the stance for a few years now. my lawyer told me back in 05' that im free to grow more then 12, he did RECOMEND i stay below 100, but i dont have to, it just makes things easier.

kmk420kali · 05-25-2008, 11:02 AM

What makes this such a good thing, is that even tho "Legally" they are not caps...it was a dubious (at best) area to tread--

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Aldrich noted that the Legislature recognized in 2004 it had overreached the year before by instituting a cap. Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-Santa Clara, who authored the unconstitutional amendment, got a bill passed that removed the cap language. However, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill because he didn't like the fact that it removed "reasonable and established quantity guidelines," the justice wrote, quoting the governor's comments from back then.

This will (hopefully) help to force LEO to recognize that those are not caps-- As it is now, if you are over your limit...they will prolly bust you...but (If you have a good Lawyer) you will win in Court--
Granted, this is not a huge thing...as you said..it already was like this....but everything we win, makes it that much clearer to LEO that it is simply not worth their effort to fuck with Med Patients--

05-24-2008, 06:51 AM	#1
vta Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,292	SB420 just went up in smoke Calif. Appeals Court Tosses Medical Pot Caps Posted by CN Staff on May 23, 2008 at 18:35:45 PT By Mike McKee, The Recorder Source: Recorder CA -- A California appellate court ruled Thursday that state legislators overstepped their bounds in 2003 by limiting the amount of marijuana that patients could possess for medical purposes. The unanimous opinion by Los Angeles' 2nd District Court of Appeal said legislators acted unconstitutionally when they passed a statute that effectively amended Proposition 215 -- also known as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 -- to allow patients a maximum 8 ounces of dried pot and six mature or 12 immature marijuana plants at any given time. "The Legislature ... cannot amend an initiative, such as the CUA, unless the initiative grants the Legislature authority to do so," Justice Richard Aldrich wrote. "The CUA does not grant the Legislature the authority to amend it without voter approval." Justices H. Walter Croskey and Patti Kitching concurred. Joseph Elford, chief counsel of Oakland, Calif.-based Americans for Safe Access, liked the sound of the ruling, but said he was somewhat confused because the California Supreme Court held in 2006's People v. Wright, 40 Cal.4th 81, that a per-patient limit on marijuana isn't a cap, but rather a constitutionally sound threshold. In other words, he said, eight ounces is merely a first threshold, with more pot available to patients if their doctors say they need it. "It might confuse things because [the appellate court says] those numbers are caps, and they are not," said Elford, who was not a party to the suit. "But at the same time, to the extent they are telling law enforcement that they can't use the ... quantities as caps by which to harass or convict medical marijuana patients, it's a good thing." In Thursday's ruling, the 2nd District ordered a retrial for Patrick Kelly, who was sentenced to three years of probation after jurors in 2006 found him guilty of possessing about 12 ounces of dried marijuana and pot plants. Kelly had a doctor's approval to use the substance for a variety of ailments, including hepatitis C, chronic back problems and cirrhosis. The appeal court said the prosecution erred during arguments at trial by referencing a cap set forth in the Legislature's statute. "The CUA does not quantify the marijuana a patient may possess," Aldrich wrote. "Rather, the only 'limit' on how much marijuana a person falling under the act may possess is it must be for the patient's 'personal medical purposes.'" The court pointed out in a footnote, however, that the ruling doesn't give patients "a free pass" to possess as much pot as they desire. Instead, the amount should be "reasonably related" to a patient's medical needs. Aldrich noted that the Legislature recognized in 2004 it had overreached the year before by instituting a cap. Sen. John Vasconcellos, D-Santa Clara, who authored the unconstitutional amendment, got a bill passed that removed the cap language. However, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill because he didn't like the fact that it removed "reasonable and established quantity guidelines," the justice wrote, quoting the governor's comments from back then. "That may be a valid concern," Aldrich conceded. "Nevertheless, it is a concern that cannot be addressed by the Legislature acting without the voter's [sic] approval." Los Angeles-based Supervising Deputy Attorney General Lawrence Daniels, who handled the case, was out of the office and couldn't be reached. His co-counsel, Deputy AG Ana Duarte, declined to comment. Source: Recorder, The (CA) Author: Mike McKee, The Recorder Published: May 27, 2008 Copyright: 2008 ALM Properties, Inc. Contact: https://************/yua3l5 Website: https://www.law.com/jsp/ca/index.jsp CannabisNews Medical Marijuana Archives https://cannabisnews.com/news/list/medical.shtml
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rootfingers buried beneath the soil Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: another's fantasy Posts: 669	Wow! This state is so freakin reasonable it make me sick. Wonder if I could get a Rx for that?
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