Well I am really getting used to hydro now and totally love it. I started an experment just to play around expecting many clones to die, but I was wrong, the 2 clones I started wit are HUGE w/o a single nute burn on them with NO PPM or PH meter. I veged the clones for 2 weeks and today was their 1st day of the beginning of the 4th week of flower. I recieved my PPM and PH meter in the mail last week. I am running a 10 gallon tub DWC w/ 7 gallons of nutes, I am using Technoflora Recipe for Success, except no thrive alive instead I am using Liquid Karma. So I check my PPM when I get my meter and its like 700 and when I mix the nutes up on the chart for that week its suppost to be at 1700 PPM!!! Nowonder why my plants are not burning, I mean dont get me wrong they are growing crazy, but if I have a lot of room to play with the nutes I want to pump em up, now that I have a meter. So now the question is how do I pump them up? If I follow the directions and come up with 1000 less PPM that shown for that week how do I add more. Since there is a formula to follow, I guess should I just double the nute formula and test it to see what it is.. if the regular formula regulated between 750-850ppm then double formula would be 1500-1700ppm. Here is a pic of the plant at beginning of 4th week of flower, taken today.














They appear healthy to me.. I just want more growth. I just was not sure if you just added more base (either boost or awsome blossoms) to up the PPM or if you had to follow the formula to increase the ppm.

I am still new to this.. so thanks for all the replys.

SupraTTHC

PS - I am really low on Awsome Blossoms... I hear Kool Bloom is the shit, can I switch to that in the middle of a grow or do I have to buy another bottle of awsome blossoms? I was going to switch to GH nutes nest grow regardless.. so if this is possible ill buy it.

[Hooked-On-Grown]

SupraTTHC.......if it ain't broke don't fix it.

She looks very happy and healthy. No signs of burn or deficiency. I would not raise the PPM past 1000-1200. Raise it by 50ppm....wait three days and see if you see signs of burn. If not raise it another 50ppm...wait three days..ect... Again...I would not go over 1200PPM......
You can switch bloom booster in the middle ....no big deal. She looks great.

HOG, they look awsome so since he has no problem with ph or burning....wouldnt you just let it go or do you think that the extra nutes would increase flowering at this stage? Also, could start messing with the ph and such. What u think?

[phillykid]

Check your ppm and then check it after a day or 2 and note the changes. A stable ppm means the plant is taking in equal parts water and nutrient. If ppm goes up it means the plant is taking in more water than nutes (cut down ppm, by dilution with water) if it ppm drops it means the plant is using more nute than water (increase ppm). Once you get the level to be stable there's really no point in adding more unless you're also doing things to increase plant growth like increased lighting or CO2.

I don't know if pumping up nutes to the max level a plant can handle without burning is such a great thing. I noticed some folks say that they decreased their nute concentration and the plants did even better than when they really tried to pump it full of nutes (even though they weren't getting nute burn).

[igrowMy0wn]

Hey! Im new here, but Im just finishing up my first hydro run (several in dirt).
This is what happens when your PPM's change drastically

[Hooked-On-Grown]

i totally agree with phillykid..... just watch the levels to tell what plant needs.

thanks for the replys guys.. I just was not sure what to do because I was like 1000 under the PPM that Technoflora reccomends, so I figured my yeild would be deminished greatly. I am going to switch flowering agents because I am low on awsome blossoms and from what I hear Kool Bloom blows it out of the water.. if anyone else has any other opnions between the two let me know! Im not leaning towards anything.. so my mind is open! I am really getting interested in organic hydro, I mean I already have all the fox farm nutes here.. but I am wondering if it will be slower growth patterns than the chemical nutes? I can definatly tell you that WW is definatly sucking water and nutes because I didnt check it for 3 days or so and when I did the water level was LOW! I didnt think to check the PPM or I didnt write it down I cannot remember, im burnt! I will start to make a PPM log soon, so that I can look back and note the changes.

So why does Technofolra reccomend 1700PPM at week 4 (I am 90% they reccomend 1700).. I TOTALLY agree if its not broke dont fix it.. but I want some thick buds.. my other grow gave me lanky loose buds under a 400 and that made me go out and buy a 1000w.. but I think it was the strain & inexperience.. you think this WW will be better than this junk:



This and the other plant, smelled sweet when on the plant, then we cut it and dried it for a week, then put in jars and it smelled like hay and tasted not good.. I dont think the flush was complete but we did semi-flush for sure.. also that pic above was not let in the dark what-so-ever.. I had 3 clones of it that i did put 48hrs dark.. so we will see if its a little better.. and we flushed them w/ clearex.


SupraTTHC

[BuzzBob]

Hey SupraTTHC! --

First, I more or less use the method as stated by phillykid as well...

But another thought that just came to mind, that I don't believe has been mentioned/questioned here at all... What Conversion Faction are you using for PPM, and what factor is used in the charts you are using? Is it a .5 conversion {ala Hanna Meters} or .7 {ala Truncheon}?

It can make a huge difference!!! See this Cross Reference Chart in my gallery {originally "borrowed" from OG}:




Hope it helps!!

Buzzbob - I am using a chepo from ebay.. but honestly it works pretty good.. a lot better than no meter! The PH meter I am using is the Hanna checker1 but the TDS is a similar version to the Sunleaves model my hydro store sells.. Its made by HM industries or something like that.. they sent me a 7.01 calibration forumla if that helps..

I do not know what foruma I am using to figure out PPM.. I just follow the Recipe for Success step by step and checked my PPM.. got the readings.. compared them to the chart and they were off by 1000... so I decided to figure out how to up the PPM.. I did not know if there was a certain base you just added more to up the PPM.. like say.. boost in veg and awsome blossoms or whatever flower supplement with in flower... but then I thought about that again and realized that would make no sence. So I figured I would go to IC to figure it out.

Say my forumla is this.. just using numbers here.. in the flowering stage

Boost - 20ml
Bloom - 10ml
Liquid Karma / Thrive Alive - 10ml
Awsome Blossoms - 10ml

to a gallon.. so I mix up those nutes and PH them.. read the PPM and it says 750.. and on my chart it says it should be 1700. So say I want to be safe and want to take it to 1500.. would I just double that foruma but still use it to 1 gallon of water? Like this:

Boost - 40ml
Bloom - 20ml
Liquid Karma / Thrive Alive - 20ml
Awsome Blossoms - 20ml

to one gallon of water... say figurtive speaking the ppm is 1500 right?

Well HOG is saying dont go over 1200.. he knows what he is doing.. so ill use that as my limit.. so by doing that how would I get to 1200 PPM and still be on my set forula? Maybe something like this?

Boost - 25ml
Bloom - 15ml
Liquid Karma / Thrive Alive - 15ml
Awsome Blossoms - 15ml

Is this the right direction I should be going in? Should I mix the forumla double and PH the water just to see what the PPM is? Then re-mix using the variables in the 3rd formula I posted and note the differences and just mix like that or what? I just want all the yeild and potency I can get out of these plants... I am picking up some kool bloom today I believe.. anyone have any suggestions when I should start really pumping in the kool bloom? Today (Tuesday) is the 2nd day of the 4th week of flowering in my white widows and I want them the best they can be.. seems they can use more nutes the way they are sucking the water out of the res!

[badmf]

Hey Bro' SupraTthc; yea you! LOL Slow down a sec... before you jump all over the place makin' changes allow some time to see what is going on with the plants. If you are adding and changing constantly esp. w/o notating you will never know whats workin' and what isnt. Increasing the ppms of a nute will eventually cause a problem least of which is overfertilization, its far better to be a lil under than over if you know what I mean. Going to organics will slow growth from chems as a break down must occur first to get assimilation. It may take some time to get to centerfold level buddage but you doin' ok so far. I use BC nutes and there is no problem up to 1500ppms with any strain, remember some like it and some don't so pay attention to your plants, even though its good to use someone elses grow as a guide don't follow it blindly unless they are growing the exact same strain. Everyone has an opinion on different nutes and have different systems and strains so results can vary widely. Good Luck