Originally Posted by Harry Gypsna
Man ur just what we need....someone who knows how to out a multiflow controller together DIY.... i mean with what you've got there...the ordinary mutiflow controller would be childsplay huh... I wish i knew about electrics and electronics to do all this.
i remeber someone aaaaages ago posted up the schematic for the uk version of themultiflow controller.....
Have you got any idea how much it would cost to get the parts for a normal muultiflow type controller?
Hi Harry howzitgoin? Thanx for the interest mate,glad to be ANY kind of inspiration! We only make them because we have to as all the commercial ones are laughably crap,badly thought out and overpriced,we have set people up with many great little custom setups for not much more than all the crappy,one timer,no processor multipot systems that are flooding the market in the last few years(I won't name names but they are ALL rubbish except GH who are extortionate but pretty good IMHO.
The system controllers we make range from about £290 to £18000(aaargh! nightmare!) but have been custom to individuals each time and parts are always upgraded and changed due to better parts becoming available or original parts discontinued.We also upgrade the OS every year(takes a few minutes with laptop and lead)for most clients so they aren't left behind as we progress.
I think you could maybe make one for about £150 depending on its complexity off your own steam but don't hold me to that!(Whats your MO anyhoo,if its just the watering control you are after its relatively simple but we always prefer to control everything we can from the panel and that gets complex).
We do have a Database for our parts,suppliers and all our system combinations but you'll have to bear with me for that as our main computer is not available to us at the mo as we have had to move operations twice this year due to Bullshit beyond our control and are semi-on call to about 18 projects rite now which is really fuckin up my lovelife I can tell ya.
But we are well secure now and will try to share as much as we can with the community,within reason obviously.But we have been ripped off many times for our Tech and £'s in this bizniz so aren't very trusting I'm afraid(We do have to be careful as well though as our systems are easily traceable by pigs due to the custom nature and so we can't just reveal all on forums).
I am happy to talk to u privately on these matters when we have settled in and I have some downtime though Harry.
The main reason we are posting now after years out of the loop is we just wanted people to set their sights a little higher as we were never satisfied with the 'Control' available from the 'Shop products' and hope to show at least a few people that D.I.Y. can be better than whats out there.
We honestly couldn't have made the systems the same for years because we dont have the bulkbuying clout with our suppliers to be able to futureproof and to be honest we don't ever repeat ourselves as we like to move things on and are busy with amongst other things;
'Real Aeroponic with backup flood for multipot systems',
Something we call 'Humidity-dependant Vapourponics, that is truly astonishing in its growth rates.But is for Experts only as it really makes growing a 'by the second' science.
A truly simple tray watering system for individual small pots and rockcubes for growshelves etc as I breed a lot and always have a nightmare with loads of little ladys of diff types and requirements that are in diff media for diff projects.
And a great little cupboard/tent system that combines Vapour,DWC,F&D and is Run to waste or Recirc and has sensors for bloody everything(PH,EC,Temp,Humidity ) at root and plant level as we want to cater for the little(but Cannaseur)guys as well....We have just started the first test runs on the latter and I will make a thread for that as soon as I can.
To be honest we always hated N.F.T. as we like plant movability and couldn't afford 'True Aero' at the time so have been doing variations on these type of systems for ourselves and others since '97 or so(there is a 2x300 pot one[not ours we dont run tings that big,we just set them up and stay on call] that we call the 'F.O.G.' or Forest of Green'' thats still running after 6 years constant with minimal maintenance and maybe 5 callouts total,It is a truly Beautiful sight,bloody Regal in fact! I won't tell you the avg Yeild as you won't believe me anyhoo!LOL)We were inspired after seeing our first Dutchpot Greenhouse near Haarlem and we knew immediately we could improve on them the second we saw them.
Before u praise me for the electronics etc though I must make you aware I am part of a crew and its my 'Silent Partner' who is ex-L.E.B. and ex Apple Tech who is the main wirer and programmer!
I learnt everything I know about the Installations,electronics,vent ilation etc from him and he learnt everything about plant biology,cultivation,breeding and Hydroponic and Lighting theory he knows from me. As our 15 year partnership has carried on we have somewhat met in the middle and can both handle all sides of this wonderful game quite well individually,but choose not to,because together we are a force to be reckoned with. Plus when you have someone you can trust 200% in this game you need to keep them around! (But I'm sure I don't have to tell you that do I Harry?)
I will try to sort out part lists this week so I can steer people in the right direction but we honestly found alll our best parts and many alternatives with simple web research and lots of driving round the U.K. and E.U. We have always wanted to provide versions off the peg for people but people at Hydroshops and Distributors either don't understand our systems or try to rip them off(badly) so we are busy with our solicitor buddy sorting out some patents and hope to sell via our own premises and web site etc in the next 2 summers or so.Inshallah! Avoiding all the idiots we have dealt with in the past hopefully and providing a fair deal with backup and guaruntees. Although we may be based in Espana by then as we are more interested in using the controllers for major irrigation projects bcos we realised recently that we don't really have a competitor in the 'legal' irrigation market either and want a bit more 'Real' sunlight in our lives.The Sodium glow is gettin us down!
Good growing mate and I'll speak to ya soon JBo