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BlazingPheonix! · 01-24-2005, 04:06 AM

What would the filial generation be considered in a cross carried to the F5 then backcrossed then inbred one more time?

Any of you MAD breeders out there got any ideas?
BlPh!

01-24-2005, 04:50 AM

since Filial is bros and sis, id say then F6

CBF

BlazingPheonix! · 01-24-2005, 03:05 PM

That was my guess. :smile: Thanks CBF.

HerbWeedman · 01-24-2005, 03:28 PM

The backcross throws that off. A backcross is to the P1 (a parent) to the best of my knowledge not a sibling. If you simply bred the f5's you would get the f6 (6th filial generation). How can the BX facilitate that? (Not a challenge just a question)

BlazingPheonix! · 01-24-2005, 05:09 PM

After the backcross it is then inbred (to sib) once more forward. I'm not dead set on any interpretation so any other suggetions are very welcomed.

HerbWeedman · 01-24-2005, 05:28 PM

Not being a breeder but only a grower that has explored growing for seed in successive filial generations and hybridizations of some good strains-I would say that you have facilitated an IBL and not a successive Filial Generation (f1 f2 f3 ...and so on). I will go out on that proverbial Limb and say that you have further stabilized (not that it was unstable to begin with) a sibling based strain with a backcross to a parent of such. The terminology is not possessed by me but I'm quite sure others do know the most logical answers to your question. This is great food for thought. I want to see what some "more knowledgable than I" people have to say here. Great thread and Question.

Freakazoid44 · 01-24-2005, 05:47 PM

I think we need a new nomenclature for that. BRF#whatever (British Royal Family to reflect the degree of inbreeding)...

BlazingPheonix! · 01-24-2005, 05:54 PM

I'm not completely saticfied with calling it an F6, either. This is why I ask. I don't know the correct term for this slight deviation in the breeding path. An F6 to me would mean a cross inbred for 6 generations and as Herbweedman stated, this example has been BXed to a P1 once along this way but not as the final breeding move so the term F6 Bx wouldn't be correct either.

Harry Gypsna · 01-24-2005, 07:27 PM

Dude, we may have an inbred royal family, lol, but u lot r the silly fuckers who pay shitloads evey year to look at their home, aaaahahahahahahahaha. Anyway, asll the royal families are inbred in europe, coz theyre all 1 bloody family. lol, Hmmm, I think we should do some outcrosses in that lot to get some new vigour in the line, hehehehehe.

Soz 4 going off topic, this is very interesting though, waiting for more

Freakazoid44 · 01-24-2005, 08:39 PM

Hey, I'm not saying that we're better off, as we give more power to our obvious inbreds...

01-24-2005, 04:06 AM	#1
BlazingPheonix! Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: With all of the other leprechauns Posts: 26	The filial generation What would the filial generation be considered in a cross carried to the F5 then backcrossed then inbred one more time? Any of you MAD breeders out there got any ideas? BlPh! __________________ BlazingPheonix!
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01-24-2005, 04:50 AM	#2
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	since Filial is bros and sis, id say then F6 CBF
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01-24-2005, 03:05 PM	#3
BlazingPheonix! Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: With all of the other leprechauns Posts: 26	That was my guess. :smile: Thanks CBF. __________________ BlazingPheonix!
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01-24-2005, 03:28 PM	#4
HerbWeedman Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hanging with The Roach at Do Lung Bridge Posts: 422	The backcross throws that off. A backcross is to the P1 (a parent) to the best of my knowledge not a sibling. If you simply bred the f5's you would get the f6 (6th filial generation). How can the BX facilitate that? (Not a challenge just a question)
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01-24-2005, 05:09 PM	#5
BlazingPheonix! Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: With all of the other leprechauns Posts: 26	After the backcross it is then inbred (to sib) once more forward. I'm not dead set on any interpretation so any other suggetions are very welcomed. __________________ BlazingPheonix!
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01-24-2005, 05:28 PM	#6
HerbWeedman Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hanging with The Roach at Do Lung Bridge Posts: 422	Not being a breeder but only a grower that has explored growing for seed in successive filial generations and hybridizations of some good strains-I would say that you have facilitated an IBL and not a successive Filial Generation (f1 f2 f3 ...and so on). I will go out on that proverbial Limb and say that you have further stabilized (not that it was unstable to begin with) a sibling based strain with a backcross to a parent of such. The terminology is not possessed by me but I'm quite sure others do know the most logical answers to your question. This is great food for thought. I want to see what some "more knowledgable than I" people have to say here. Great thread and Question.
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01-24-2005, 05:47 PM	#7
Freakazoid44 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA, upper midwest Posts: 148	I think we need a new nomenclature for that. BRF#whatever (British Royal Family to reflect the degree of inbreeding)...
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01-24-2005, 05:54 PM	#8
BlazingPheonix! Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: With all of the other leprechauns Posts: 26	I'm not completely saticfied with calling it an F6, either. This is why I ask. I don't know the correct term for this slight deviation in the breeding path. An F6 to me would mean a cross inbred for 6 generations and as Herbweedman stated, this example has been BXed to a P1 once along this way but not as the final breeding move so the term F6 Bx wouldn't be correct either. __________________ BlazingPheonix!
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01-24-2005, 07:27 PM	#9
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	Dude, we may have an inbred royal family, lol, but u lot r the silly fuckers who pay shitloads evey year to look at their home, aaaahahahahahahahaha. Anyway, asll the royal families are inbred in europe, coz theyre all 1 bloody family. lol, Hmmm, I think we should do some outcrosses in that lot to get some new vigour in the line, hehehehehe. Soz 4 going off topic, this is very interesting though, waiting for more __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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01-24-2005, 08:39 PM	#10
Freakazoid44 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA, upper midwest Posts: 148	Hey, I'm not saying that we're better off, as we give more power to our obvious inbreds...
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