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cannablissUK · 01-22-2005, 09:47 PM

When is a male plants pollen mature?

Thanks.

cannablissUK · 01-22-2005, 10:25 PM

ok to put my question in a different way...

How long would it take for a males pollen sacks to split?

Though i dont want to know when it disperses its pollen, i wish to collect it and use it with certain females.

deZerTomB · 01-23-2005, 03:53 AM

2-3 weeks gotta watch close. Only a couple pop sacks open first, then more each day. They drop a white or yellowish powder. When they open like an umbrella, then the pollen is ready to go. One sack produces quite a bit of pollen. The faster pollenating males should breed faster flowering females.

Harry Gypsna · 01-24-2005, 07:37 PM

If u are going to do this m8, u really need to build a small seperate chamber for him, comletely isolated from the rest of the ventilation. Or u could use a seperate flower room, put ur girls which u want knocking up in there, and add a couple o males, then jus let nature do its thing, but most I hear about peeps using a small artists brush to dust the pollen on individual branches.

Rider · 01-25-2005, 11:05 PM

It really depends on how many seeds you want. I've used two chambers and a q-pic to get about 25 to 50 seeds per plant. My last seed crop i just put a selected male in with my females and removed him at only two and a half weeks. I ended up with more seeds then weed! I now have thousands of skunk#1 x skunk#1 skunk#1 x nlxhaze and skunk#1 x Shiva Shanta.

BTW i removed the male only a couple of days after he started pollinating. And misted to prevent too many seeds needless to say that did not work. So unless you want more seeds then weed i suggest you use two chambers. Good luck.

HerbWeedman · 01-26-2005, 12:27 AM

desert-What is the definition of a "faster pollenating male" or possibly an example?? Are you saying that a faster flowering male will produce faster flowering offspring? If so by using this fuzzy logic we should be able to produce a faster flowering say Haze plant by selecting the fastest flowering Males. I think flowering times are strain based traits. The males I have worked with do start kicking out mad pollen in 2-3 weeks and it would be an advantage to have fast flowering males but I really don't think a fast to show male has much to do with dropping a female offsprings flowering time (unless you were crossing strains with differing flowering times to begin with then the results would vary and you would if you wished short flowering plants select your gene pool based on how fast both new parents flowered). I'm not saying you're wrong but I am skeptical. If you have more info on this subject please share it with me.

Niemand · 01-26-2005, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HerbWeedman

desert-What is the definition of a "faster pollenating male" or possibly an example?? Are you saying that a faster flowering male will produce faster flowering offspring? If so by using this fuzzy logic we should be able to produce a faster flowering say Haze plant by selecting the fastest flowering Males. I think flowering times are strain based traits. The males I have worked with do start kicking out mad pollen in 2-3 weeks and it would be an advantage to have fast flowering males but I really don't think a fast to show male has much to do with dropping a female offsprings flowering time (unless you were crossing strains with differing flowering times to begin with then the results would vary and you would if you wished short flowering plants select your gene pool based on how fast both new parents flowered). I'm not saying you're wrong but I am skeptical. If you have more info on this subject please share it with me.

I really do believe that IS the case....which is exactly how people have been selecting!! Yes, flowering times are strain based.....IE the average sativa goes from 9 weeks to 16 weeks....Say you have a 16 week strain where 1 in 30 flowers in 12, consistently.....Its a male.....
1 in 45 flowers at 13 weeks...its a female.....
Are you saying that their offspring would NOT be earlier? Or perhaps that chance has more to do with it?
Are you saying that selecting for a specific trait (early flower) is only applicable across strains? I do understand that (ie the Dutch practice of crossing hazes to manage flower times), but I also thought that within strains it was possible too.
Also, when people say "I used my fast flowering stud" to make their special cross, that its merely hyperbole?
Not speaking of showing sex here....but actually pollenating....and in females finishing...

Now....I do understand also that fast flowering is not always a good thing.... My longest flowering Nevilles was my trippiest where the fast flowering (female) was average at best! And I am talking about full flower NOT pulling when a few "hairs" go brown....

But...Im curious about the theory and practice.....

Has noone selected for faster flowering? What were your results!

Peace......Niemand

Sorry to break in here, I am not trying to hijack a thread! I have an interest in this (Doing some 1 off crosses and it was one of my goals!)

Jah Bless!

HerbWeedman · 01-26-2005, 03:42 AM

I'm quite aware of differing flowering times between strains. I was questioning a statement before mine as it confused me a bit. I wasn't saying nay I was just trying to get more info. I have never considered the flowering time of a male when making seeds. If I make a cross between 2 different strains of varying flower times I'm going to expect varying results. I personally pick the parents depending on their potency first (yeah I puff a few male leaves to judge this as well as visible trich production),and structure second (I lean towards stout in both Male and female). I consider the Females flowering time and taste too but less then the others cause if I didn't like the taste to begin with or the strain took way too long to finish I would not bother breeding it. Sorry if I came on strong but like I said deserts post confused me and I hadn't thought of a males flowering time until today. Peace and good Growin Herb
P.S. The seeds and subsequent Offspring I have produced of the same strain in a filial crossing or a hybrid of 2 different strains have always resembled their Mother in structure and flowering time. I have never counted the days it took for a male to show and the dudes Never hang out for a females full flower period. I get some plant sex on when a female has entered bud set and the male is usually flowered a couple of weeks later then the female as to insure I don't get that High Seed to Weed ratio also mentioned earlier.

deZerTomB · 01-26-2005, 04:34 AM

would be one that drops pollen in 2 weeks as opposed to 3 weeks of flower time.

What I was trying to say was that a male that drops pollen sooner than the other males of the same strain should indicate a faster finishing time in that individual male. Therefore that trait since it is expressed in that individual male should breed over to the cross to some extent depending on the genetics of the 2 parents.

I don't remember where I got this info, or if it was a conclusion I made from previous research on selecting males. And I was stoned when I wrote it.

My experience is very limited in breeding, my 3rd set of crosses flowering out with beans right now, and I've only been growing a few years indoors, although my first grow and mj book read was over 25 years ago.

It'll be a few months before my next breeding project, but I will plan on using 2 males of the same strain to compare results noting which drops pollen first. Should be interesting, NOT. I'll let you know in a year or two.

01-26-2005, 05:42 AM

not to highjack...but when are the females ready to be pollenated?

01-22-2005, 10:25 PM	#2
cannablissUK Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	ok to put my question in a different way... How long would it take for a males pollen sacks to split? Though i dont want to know when it disperses its pollen, i wish to collect it and use it with certain females. __________________ UK guerilla grow '05 (coming soon)
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01-23-2005, 03:53 AM	#3
deZerTomB brotherhood of the bong Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: tomb in the desert. Posts: 888	2-3 weeks gotta watch close. Only a couple pop sacks open first, then more each day. They drop a white or yellowish powder. When they open like an umbrella, then the pollen is ready to go. One sack produces quite a bit of pollen. The faster pollenating males should breed faster flowering females. __________________ stay green & safe deZerTomB.
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01-24-2005, 07:37 PM	#4
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	If u are going to do this m8, u really need to build a small seperate chamber for him, comletely isolated from the rest of the ventilation. Or u could use a seperate flower room, put ur girls which u want knocking up in there, and add a couple o males, then jus let nature do its thing, but most I hear about peeps using a small artists brush to dust the pollen on individual branches. __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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01-25-2005, 11:05 PM	#5
Rider Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	the moment it starts dropping pollen It really depends on how many seeds you want. I've used two chambers and a q-pic to get about 25 to 50 seeds per plant. My last seed crop i just put a selected male in with my females and removed him at only two and a half weeks. I ended up with more seeds then weed! I now have thousands of skunk#1 x skunk#1 skunk#1 x nlxhaze and skunk#1 x Shiva Shanta. BTW i removed the male only a couple of days after he started pollinating. And misted to prevent too many seeds needless to say that did not work. So unless you want more seeds then weed i suggest you use two chambers. Good luck.
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01-26-2005, 04:34 AM	#9
deZerTomB brotherhood of the bong Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: tomb in the desert. Posts: 888	My definition of a faster pollenating male would be one that drops pollen in 2 weeks as opposed to 3 weeks of flower time. What I was trying to say was that a male that drops pollen sooner than the other males of the same strain should indicate a faster finishing time in that individual male. Therefore that trait since it is expressed in that individual male should breed over to the cross to some extent depending on the genetics of the 2 parents. I don't remember where I got this info, or if it was a conclusion I made from previous research on selecting males. And I was stoned when I wrote it. My experience is very limited in breeding, my 3rd set of crosses flowering out with beans right now, and I've only been growing a few years indoors, although my first grow and mj book read was over 25 years ago. It'll be a few months before my next breeding project, but I will plan on using 2 males of the same strain to compare results noting which drops pollen first. Should be interesting, NOT. I'll let you know in a year or two. __________________ stay green & safe deZerTomB.
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01-22-2005, 09:47 PM	#1
cannablissUK Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 25	When is a male plants pollen mature? When is a male plants pollen mature? Thanks. __________________ UK guerilla grow '05 (coming soon)
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01-26-2005, 12:27 AM	#6
HerbWeedman Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hanging with The Roach at Do Lung Bridge Posts: 422	desert-What is the definition of a "faster pollenating male" or possibly an example?? Are you saying that a faster flowering male will produce faster flowering offspring? If so by using this fuzzy logic we should be able to produce a faster flowering say Haze plant by selecting the fastest flowering Males. I think flowering times are strain based traits. The males I have worked with do start kicking out mad pollen in 2-3 weeks and it would be an advantage to have fast flowering males but I really don't think a fast to show male has much to do with dropping a female offsprings flowering time (unless you were crossing strains with differing flowering times to begin with then the results would vary and you would if you wished short flowering plants select your gene pool based on how fast both new parents flowered). I'm not saying you're wrong but I am skeptical. If you have more info on this subject please share it with me.
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01-26-2005, 03:42 AM	#8
HerbWeedman Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Hanging with The Roach at Do Lung Bridge Posts: 422	I'm quite aware of differing flowering times between strains. I was questioning a statement before mine as it confused me a bit. I wasn't saying nay I was just trying to get more info. I have never considered the flowering time of a male when making seeds. If I make a cross between 2 different strains of varying flower times I'm going to expect varying results. I personally pick the parents depending on their potency first (yeah I puff a few male leaves to judge this as well as visible trich production),and structure second (I lean towards stout in both Male and female). I consider the Females flowering time and taste too but less then the others cause if I didn't like the taste to begin with or the strain took way too long to finish I would not bother breeding it. Sorry if I came on strong but like I said deserts post confused me and I hadn't thought of a males flowering time until today. Peace and good Growin Herb P.S. The seeds and subsequent Offspring I have produced of the same strain in a filial crossing or a hybrid of 2 different strains have always resembled their Mother in structure and flowering time. I have never counted the days it took for a male to show and the dudes Never hang out for a females full flower period. I get some plant sex on when a female has entered bud set and the male is usually flowered a couple of weeks later then the female as to insure I don't get that High Seed to Weed ratio also mentioned earlier.
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01-26-2005, 05:42 AM	#10
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	not to highjack...but when are the females ready to be pollenated?
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